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metsfan2323 said:
It's not fair that he has never had a chance in non garbage time, how is he supposed to be successful from the bench?

Your argument makes no sense because he has never had a start.
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The argument is obviously fair because he's never succeeded outside of garbage time.

Is it fair he hasn't started? Maybe, I'm not at practice so I have no idea.

I hope they start him and he's great. Based on what I've seen I'd be shocked for multiple reasons. The biggest being that almost no quarterback can be successful behind that offensive line because it's as bad an offensive line I've ever seen.
 
Here's a fun test for everyone. Who do you play:

Quarterback A - 117 average QB rating, 6 yards per catch average, 58% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 1.0

Quarterback B - 74 average QB rating, 5 yards per catch average, 43% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.0

Quarterback C - 117 average QB rating, 7 yards per catch average, 55% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.83

Who do you go with? Who is your backup? Who rides the bench?
 
UConnDan97 said:
Here's a fun test for everyone. Who do you play:

Quarterback A - 117 average QB rating, 6 yards per catch average, 58% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 1.0

Quarterback B - 74 average QB rating, 5 yards per catch average, 43% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.0

Quarterback C - 117 average QB rating, 7 yards per catch average, 55% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.83

Who do you go with? Who is your backup? Who rides the bench?
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I go w/ the QB who hasn't had a chance yet! The one who reportedly can run like a bat out of hell for his life! Start Kivon! :D
 
A competent QB gives us a chance tonight. Defense was gangbusters against (one of) the most dynamic player(s) in the country. Not ideal offensive conditions but Boyle couldn't get anything going through the air at all.
 
huskymedic said:
I go w/ the QB who hasn't had a chance yet! The one who reportedly can run like a bat out of hell for his life! Start Kivon! :D
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Touche! You found the one QB I didn't have stats for. Well played, my friend. Well played... ;)
 
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huskymedic said:
I go w/ the QB who hasn't had a chance yet! The one who reportedly can run like a bat out of hell for his life! Start Kivon! :D
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Watching him and the others warm up tonight he may throw the tightest ball out of all four. No telling how that translates on the field but if he is a half decent passer his running ability should help him tightly contend for the starting spot next year.
 
whaler11 said:
The biggest being that almost no quarterback can be successful behind that offensive line because it's as bad an offensive line I've ever seen.
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All the more reason to make the switch, Boyle's only advantage over Cochran and Whitmer is that he can throw the deep ball, but since he has no time to do it and we have no burners Boyle loses that advantage. Cochran gets the ball out quickly, he won't be sacked nearly as much, and if he keeps getting the ball out the defense will stop blitzing.

I have no idea if Cochran will be successful but we need to find out, that's all i'm saying.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Here's a fun test for everyone. Who do you play:

Quarterback A - 117 average QB rating, 6 yards per catch average, 58% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 1.0

Quarterback B - 74 average QB rating, 5 yards per catch average, 43% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.0

Quarterback C - 117 average QB rating, 7 yards per catch average, 55% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.83

Who do you go with? Who is your backup? Who rides the bench?
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If anyone is still interested in the identities of the QB's:

A = Cochran
B = Boyle
C = Whitmer
 
UConnDan97 said:
Here's a fun test for everyone. Who do you play:

Quarterback A - 117 average QB rating, 6 yards per catch average, 58% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 1.0

Quarterback B - 74 average QB rating, 5 yards per catch average, 43% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.0

Quarterback C - 117 average QB rating, 7 yards per catch average, 55% completion percentage, TD/INT ratio = 0.83

Who do you go with? Who is your backup? Who rides the bench?
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As the great Jonny Gomes said F statistics. “There’s a lot of sabermetrics, there’s a lot of numbers and stuff. The whole WAR stat. But when you go to playoffs, you want me to go to war with.” Let's go to war with CC and see what happens.
 
ruskin said:
As the great Jonny Gomes said F statistics. “There’s a lot of sabermetrics, there’s a lot of numbers and stuff. The whole WAR stat. But when you go to playoffs, you want me to go to war with.” Let's go to war with CC and see what happens.
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If you were smart, you would have just said that Cochran has the highest QB rating and the highest completion percentage. Instead, you just felt like saying F statistics because you didn't want to read the stats. The point of my statistics is that Boyle has been noticeably worse than the other two QB's. You'd be amazed at what stats can tell you sometimes...
 
UConnDan97 said:
If you were smart, you would have just said that Cochran has the highest QB rating and the highest completion percentage. Instead, you just felt like saying F statistics because you didn't want to read the stats. The point of my statistics is that Boyle has been noticeably worse than the other two QB's. You'd be amazed at what stats can tell you sometimes...
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I agree with you Dan but both Boyle and Whitmer's stats come against first team offenses while Cochran's aren't. Whitmer has stats against Towson, MD, UM, and Buffalo defenses. Boyle has stats against USF, UCF, and Louisville D. Two completely different sets of defensive abilities. On top of that, Boyle didn't finish either game against UCF or Louisville while Whitmer played the whole game in all his starts. Stats are like opinions, they can be used to prove someone's point but they can also be used against that same point when looked at closer.

I'm all for giving Cochran a shot because hell, what else is there to lose?!? Maybe we hurt Boyle's ego because he thought he was the next big thing. Who cares, he may still be. Clearly right now, he has proven that he is just not ready.
 
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Right now I want the QB with:
1. The most confidence --and
2. The best leadership skills
I'm not as concerned with arm strength (if that's the rub against CC.) We have no business anyway right now relying on long downfield routes or those incessant sideline attempts that scream Pick 6. Give me quick slants and screens and a guy with a bounce in his step and a hand clapping enthusiasm for the game. We're too robotic out there. I agree with Sportsart that Boyle looks shell shocked and could use a breather. And if I'm Whitmer I'm saying to the coaching staff--" You said---I---was the problem??? Really???"
 
Nostical said:
Right now I want the QB with:
1. The most confidence --and
2. The best leadership skills
I'm not as concerned with arm strength (if that's the rub against CC.) We have no business anyway right now relying on long downfield routes or those incessant sideline attempts that scream Pick 6. Give me quick slants and screens and a guy with a bounce in his step and a hand clapping enthusiasm for the game. We're too robotic out there. I agree with Sportsart that Boyle looks shell shocked and could use a breather. And if I'm Whitmer I'm saying to the coaching staff--" You said---I---was the problem??? Really???"
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This whole thread reminds me of similar threads from a few years ago…..Boyle=McEntee….Cochran=Nebrich….Whitmer=Box….there are some differences, I know, but lots of similarities.
 
Give Cochran a chance. Boyle throws were off target last night, short, behind and one way to early. No better time to see what Casey can do. Maybe we will be surprised and it will boost the kids confidence. Worth the chance at this point.
 
Casey's turn. 0 TDs, 8 INTs for Boyle. Casey moves the ball well. The defense made last night's game winnable. Offense was inept with Boyle.

Boyle does have natural talent. He needs to develop his game psyche. I wonder whether we will regret losing out on Lagow. And I am not an apologist. Nebrich is doing damn well. We should have at least won a game somewhere. This season has been horrifically inconsistent.
 
UCFBfan said:
I agree with you Dan but both Boyle and Whitmer's stats come against first team offenses while Cochran's aren't. Whitmer has stats against Towson, MD, UM, and Buffalo defenses. Boyle has stats against USF, UCF, and Louisville D. Two completely different sets of defensive abilities. On top of that, Boyle didn't finish either game against UCF or Louisville while Whitmer played the whole game in all his starts. Stats are like opinions, they can be used to prove someone's point but they can also be used against that same point when looked at closer.

I'm all for giving Cochran a shot because hell, what else is there to lose?!? Maybe we hurt Boyle's ego because he thought he was the next big thing. Who cares, he may still be. Clearly right now, he has proven that he is just not ready.
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If you are saying things like "stats are like opinions", then I'm pretty sure you DON'T agree with me. Ask Teddy Bridgewater if stats are opinions. Ask Blake Bortles if stats are opinions.

The defenses that Boyle has played against may be slightly better combined than the teams Whitmer played against (maybe), but Boyle had a running game to compliment him. Whitmer didn't. And the fact that Boyle has 0 TDs and 8 INTs to go along with other poor statistics and numerous throws behind receivers' backs, and it's easy to say that Boyle should not be the starter now. It's VERY easy to say that.

If people want to give Cochran a try instead of Whitmer, be my guest. I still feel that Whitmer is the best quarterback on the team right now, and I would like him to play because the prospect of going 0-12 gives me indigestion. But keeping Boyle in there right now and destroying whatever confidence and growth he maybe had built up is now madness...
 
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Srqhusky said:
Was that most if the second team offense that scored
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Yup.

The line from left to right was Hemmingway, Rugg, Paul, Samra, Gifford.

Passes completed to:

Max D
Mcquillian
Bradley
Abrams
Green
Abrams for TD

Talk about spreading the ball around. The biggest difference between Cochran and our other QB's is Cochran isn't deciding where he is throwing the ball before the ball is snapped, he actually goes through a quick post snap progression and throws without hesitation to the first open man he sees, ball out on time and with accuracy.
 
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huskymedic said:
I go w/ the QB who hasn't had a chance yet! The one who reportedly can run like a bat out of hell for his life! Start Kivon! :D
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Yeah, why not burn another redshirt, there are four games left.
 
A change the QB thread? What a terrific idea and original to boot.

If we want the best chance to win the game we start Chandler. He is still the best QB on the roster.
If you want to look toward next year, you start Casey for one reason. So, the next coach has game film on more QB options.
One of these three guys is starting next year.

As for Boyle, whether you think he will be good or not, right now he simply isn't accurate enough with the ball to be on the field. I am not even referring to the interceptions. Without better accuracy he will never be a viable QB for us.
 
He's earned the right to compete for time. Boyle is a better QB on paper but not necessarily in the game. I like the pep and inspiration he plays with. He also seems more opportunistic and able to find receivers. Give Boyle a good line and maturity and he is the franchise, but that's not where we are at. Give Casey a chance to start. Might find out he's a play maker.
 
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SubbaBub said:
A change the QB thread? What a terrific idea and original to boot.

If we want the best chance to win the game we start Chandler. He is still the best QB on the roster.
If you want to look toward next year, you start Casey for one reason. So, the next coach has game film on more QB options.
One of these three guys is starting next year.

As for Boyle, whether you think he will be good or not, right now he simply isn't accurate enough with the ball to be on the field. I am not even referring to the interceptions. Without better accuracy he will never be a viable QB for us.
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Not sure if you guys talking about Whitmer know this but he hurt his hand in practice last week.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Not sure if you guys talking about Whitmer know this but he hurt his hand in practice last week.
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He hurt his hand....and I saw him throwing 40 yard passes back and forth with Boyle at halftime last night, so... :rolleyes:
 
UConnDan97 said:
If you were smart, you would have just said that Cochran has the highest QB rating and the highest completion percentage. Instead, you just felt like saying F statistics because you didn't want to read the stats. The point of my statistics is that Boyle has been noticeably worse than the other two QB's. You'd be amazed at what stats can tell you sometimes...
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Apologies if you interepreted that as a shot. Realize stats are valuable but at 0-8. . . . . Cochran passes the eye test.
 
ruskin said:
Apologies if you interepreted that as a shot. Realize stats are valuable but at 0-8. . . . . Cochran passes the eye test.
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0-8 or 8-0, it doesn't matter. Stats are the only objective way to look at things. I didn't take your comment as a shot, but you are the second Boneyarder in the last 24 hours to tell me that stats essentially mean nothing. At risk of getting all "Parcells" on the board, you are what your numbers say you are. When someone needs to split hairs within close numbers, then one can feel free to dive into the world of the subjective "eye test". My point was that one could look at Cochran's and Whitmer's numbers and say they are comparable, with the major exception of reps. But one CANNOT say that Boyle's numbers are comparable. He's clearly behind the other two in just about every measurable, including and most especially "results"...
 
UConnDan97 said:
He hurt his hand....and I saw him throwing 40 yard passes back and forth with Boyle at halftime last night, so... :rolleyes:
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It was a minor injury reported by Jeff Jacobs 5 days ago, maybe enough to influence a coaches decision.
 
UConnDan97 said:
My point was that one could look at Cochran's and Whitmer's numbers and say they are comparable, with the major exception of reps. But one CANNOT say that Boyle's numbers are comparable. He's clearly behind the other two in just about every measurable, including and most especially "results"...
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Only difference in stats is reps?? This is what I was talking about with using stats to push your opinion. You do realize Cochran hasn't faced a first team Defense or started a game while Whitmer and Boyle both have. How does that make those stat lines comparable? I'm not arguing with you that stats are important and valid. But to make a claim like you did is wrong and there's no other way around that. Finally, what results have Whitmer and Cochran given that Boyle hasn't? Last I checked the only results that matter are team wins and right now we have ZERO. There's another stat that shows we need to start whoever can help us add a 1 in that column each week. Boyle is not going to help that this season, I agree with that sentiment. However, I don't think Whitmer will either and Cochran, we don't know. So why not go with Cochran for a game. If it doesn't work go back to Whitmer. Stats are great for many things but the way you're saying some of them are not fairly equivalent.
 
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