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Stanford Now #1 Seed? Seriously?

I know Stanford's win last night was impressive, but keep in mind as a team this year they shoot the 3 at .369 and Kiana Williams shoots the three at .371. In the game last night Stanford shot .476 on 21 shots from 3 and Kiana shot .857 6-7 and a number of her shots were NBA+ in range. They had a great shooting night from three which changed the whole nature of the game. They started the game hitting 4 of 6 from three.

That was what happened to TA&M against Georgia - a team that shoots the 3 at .335 shot .571 against them and won. Next game out Georgia shot .364 against SC and lost by 5. If they had shot .571 on their 11 threes they would have made 2 more and won by 1.

FYI - Uconn also shot better than normal from three yesterday at .444 but they only took 9 so if they had shot their season average they would only have missed one more.

FYI#2 This is of course every good team's nightmare - hit a team on the night they cannot miss from three and get whopped. Arkansas hit .565 against us though of course we couldn't miss either at .522 both aberrational from season stats.
 
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Centerstream said:
Any team that has 4 losses should not occupy a #1 Seed position, especially when 3 of those winning teams should be seeded above them.
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So teams that play difficult schedules should be penalized and be discouraged from playing good out of conference opponents.
 
Fairfield Fan said:
Charlie Creme now claims that Stanford is the top seed for the tourney due to their defeat of UCLA. How's that? Did he not have a Fox channel with which to view UConn's dismantling of Villanova?

Something smells here....

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Women's Bracketology: One final projection before the bracket is revealed

All 31 auto-bids are spoken for. Will UConn or UCLA be No. 1 overall? And where will the hosts be seeded?
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I don't think it's really going to matter much at all this year whether you're ranked #1 or #2 , with the S-curve method of pairing , if it's used. Eventually the 2 will have to meet for the NCAA Championship. Bragging rites about who is #1 coming in is one thing , winning The Trophy is something else. And that's what these Huskies really want, to win that Trophy.
 
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Vowelguy said:
Since then they also lost to Texas a&m.
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True. But as soon as they lost, Charlie Creme predicted that SC would stay as a #1 by the committee as long as they won the SEC tournament. I also disagree with their about their logic, but Creme has his finger on the committtee pulse. He wound up being correct.
 
browns said:
Guess being the only team with just 1 loss means nothing at all too
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Yes, you're right, it means nothing, or almost nothing, just on its own.

Otherwise, Bucknell fans would be clamoring to know why they're not the overall #1 seed.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Bucknell #2, Cal Baptist is the clear #1 team.
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Setting aside the lack of postseason eligibility, why would Cal Baptist be ahead of Bucknell? Both undefeated (against crap teams). Bucknell's NET is actually way higher and at least has more than zero wins over the top 150.
 
jaydee602 said:
I agree! If UCONN & Stanford are even, then the Cardinal get the #1 spot due to strength of conference. But I love our Husky team's energy, confidence, & cohesiveness, especially considering their youth.
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I wish that UConn played more SEC, ACC, & PAC12 teams during the season, then we would have a better sense of what stats mean. This season Strength of Schedule is relatively diluted, & does not mean a lot, because of a dearth of competition between conferences - The pac12 is floating on past glories.
But it does seem that the only strong competition this year is Stanford, South Carolina, & perhaps Baylor, but, on any given day...... It seems that despite its unassailable position, UConn has not been helped by being in weak conferences, when being in conferences like the SEC & ACC would immeasurably help get its elite athletes ready for the best teams & the NCAAs.
 
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Plebe said:
Setting aside the lack of postseason eligibility, why would Cal Baptist be ahead of Bucknell? Both undefeated (against crap teams). Bucknell's NET is actually way higher and at least has more than zero wins over the top 150.
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22-0>9-0
 
visitingcock said:
Oregon: That's a problem with net's programming and the PAC's lack of quality OOC games.

Net is a guide to the committee not a mandate.

In my OPINION, the committee will go "political" on this. ie UConn, and three Power 5 conference AQ's as first seeds:
1 Seeds
UConn
Stanford
SCar
NC State

2 Seeds
The next choices will be:
Maryland
Baylor
Then two Non-AQs from P-5 Conferences.
My guesses are Louisville and A&M - However, UCLA could replace one of those two.
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UCLA???? Weren't they ranked 9th and then got humiliated by Stanford???? What would justify them even being considered???? Were they even worthy of that #9 ranking, to begin with????
 
Plebe said:
Marquette lost at home to Milwaukee. So is Milwaukee also a top 10 team? Marquette also has losses to DePaul and Seton Hall. Not much evidence to support that they're a top 10 team or anything close. An at-large team, certainly. Top 25? Maybe just barely, who knows.
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There are definitely times when matchups play a big part of a game .... The fact that Team A can destroy Team B who can destroy Team C but Team C can beat or at least seriously give Team A a big scare is a reality .... it's all about matchups sometimes
 
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King Kong said:
I wish that UConn played more SEC, ACC, & PAC12 teams during the season, then we would have a better sense of what stats mean. This season Strength of Schedule is relatively diluted, & does not mean a lot, because of a dearth of competition between conferences - The pac12 is floating on past glories.
But it does seem that the only strong competition this year is Stanford, South Carolina, & perhaps Baylor, but, on any given day...... It seems that despite its unassailable position, UConn has not been helped by being in weak conferences, when being in conferences like the SEC & ACC would immeasurably help get its elite athletes ready for the best teams & the NCAAs.
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This has become such a trite narrative.

There is zero evidence that conference affiliation per se correlates to stronger or weaker performance in the NCAAs. There have been plenty of teams from "weaker" conferences that have knocked off teams from "stronger" conferences, even higher-seeded ones.

In a sense you're right to say "immeasurably": Among those who worship at the altar of the Poser 5, the allure of this claim lies partly in the fact that it's difficult to prove or refute quantitatively. But there's plenty of anecdotal evidence, if we care to look, that no such postseason advantage inheres in conference membership.
 
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browns said:
First criteria should be the record and Uconn is the only team in the nation with only 1 loss and it wasn't to an unranked team
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Bucknell is undefeated. So by your logic, they should be number one.

Good wins are at least as important.
 
Jim R said:
So, does that mean Baylor is a #1 seed? According to the NET rating, they are #4, and
#3 according to Massey. Or, can we pick and chose the facts that support our case?
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If Baylor performs well with Blow-out wins in the Big12 tournament, Yes, the will be considered
Centerstream said:
Any team that has 4 losses should not occupy a #1 Seed position, especially when 3 of those winning teams should be seeded above them.
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Seriously? Go back to 2013 when UConn was 29-4 and was a #1 seed for the NCAAT. Who you lost to and how many quality teams you played absolutely matter.

To me, SC should be a 5 seed but their resume supports 4 or 5. Maryland dominates the Big 10 but so what, who have any of those teams played yet Maryland is in discussion, Same for NC State, they at least beat SC but lost to unranked VPI. Texas A&M beat SC but lost to Georgia and have 11 wins over other top 25 teams so their resume is as good as ours, yet they are below us. Baylor is the curious one to me as they have two losses, one to Arkansas, same as us and one to Iowa State which is not good.

Seedings logically should be Stanford, UConn, Texas A&M, NC State, SC, Maryland/Baylor, Louisville. Who ever looks better in the Big10/Big!2 tournament decides the 6/7 seed.
 
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browns said:
So your saying losing to a terrible team early doesnt matter as long as ur playing well in the end of the season
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Depends on what matters. If I'm trying to decide how tough a team is to beat, I'm looking at how they are playing now. One upset isn't very meaningful in that equation. It is meaningful if a team has a habit of losing games against lesser teams, even if they play great in other games.

A bad loss, even only one, does matter for ranking and seedings. As I said, I don't care much about either of those, so it doesn't matter to me.
 
Longtime fan said:
We all appreciate your passion, and UCONN's win was overwhelming. However, the Big East ( women ) is not as tough as the Pac-12, and Villanova is not the equivalent of UCLA. This year, no one saw Stanford play unless you were on the PAC-12 TV network ( I was not ). But Stanford has had great recruiting classes for several seasons, and they are a legit number one selection. To my mind, it doesn't really matter who is the "number one" number one. Stanford, UCONN and South Carolina are no brainers. Is the 4th to be NC State? In my view, it is highly likely that UCONN v Stanford will be the Big Dance final. We'll know then.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter including you and me. Mie is totally different than yours. I saw tons of PAC12 games this year (I have the PAC12 network). They were not an outstanding league. Stanford was very good and deserves to be rated highly but they have difficulty scoring and should have trouble keeping up with UConn when it is playing well. I saw only Maryland that impressed me in the Big10. Some say the Big10 is a better league than the Big East which is a basketball conference. I differ obviously. Maryland if very good and loves to score in a league that doesn't seem to have much in defense. to me. ACC was way down in my view. Several good teams but no great teams. SEC was the deepest probably but not sure they are better overall than the Big East. Just more hyped as ESPN does a WAY better job of that than does Fox for women. We shall see who is right in about 2 weeks.
 
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King Kong said:
I wish that UConn played more SEC, ACC, & PAC12 teams during the season, then we would have a better sense of what stats mean. This season Strength of Schedule is relatively diluted, & does not mean a lot, because of a dearth of competition between conferences - The pac12 is floating on past glories.
But it does seem that the only strong competition this year is Stanford, South Carolina, & perhaps Baylor, but, on any given day...... It seems that despite its unassailable position, UConn has not been helped by being in weak conferences, when being in conferences like the SEC & ACC would immeasurably help get its elite athletes ready for the best teams & the NCAAs.
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Kong-several of the games you want were on the schedule and cancelled due to Covid. Weak conference or not, for years UConn has played one of the toughest schedules in women's basketball.
 
Zinethar said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter including you and me. Mie is totally different than yours. I saw tons of PAC12 games this year (I have the PAC12 network). They were not an outstanding league. Stanford was very good and deserves to be rated highly but they have difficulty scoring and should have trouble keeping up with UConn when it is playing well. I saw only Maryland that impressed me in the Big10. Some say the Big10 is a better league than the Big East which is a basketball conference. I differ obviously. Maryland if very good and loves to score in a league that doesn't seem to have much in defense. to me. ACC was way down in my view. Several good teams but no great teams. SEC was the deepest probably but not sure they are better overall than the Big East. Just more hyped as ESPN does a WAY better job of that than does Fox for women. We shall see who is right in about 2 weeks.
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It’s a year of small sample sizes, but Creighton (a middle of the pack BE team) ran Nebraska (a middle of the pack Big 10 team) totally out of the gym. Up 21 at the half and won by 16.

Michigan crushed Butler, but hard to glean much from that (we would similarly slaughter Wisconsin).
 
stamfordhusky said:
Bucknell is undefeated. So by your logic, they should be number one.

Good wins are at least as important.
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I'll rephrase..the only ranked team in the nation that has just 1 loss
 
Buzzyboy said:
There are definitely times when matchups play a big part of a game .... The fact that Team A can destroy Team B who can destroy Team C but Team C can beat or at least seriously give Team A a big scare is a reality .... it's all about matchups sometimes
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Exactly right. Matchups are very important
 
jaydee602 said:
According to Massey, here are the projected point spreads for UCONN games vs. the #1 & #2 seeds as of today:
#2 Louisville: UCONN (-10)
#2 NC State: UCONN (-10)
#2 Baylor: UCONN (-3)
#2 Maryland: UCONN (-3.5)
#1 South Carolina UCONN (-4)
#1 Texas A&M: UCONN (-10)
#1 Stanford: STANFORD (-1)
Any surprises?
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Big deal! Massey had Louisville beating NC State in both of their head-to-head matchups and we see how that turned out. This is interesting...but nothing more. You can't use a computer to do the same analysis with team-to-team matchups. It's all about the matchups...and then execution.
 
Zinethar said:
SEC was the deepest probably but not sure they are better overall than the Big East. Just more hyped as ESPN does a WAY better job of that than does Fox for women. We shall see who is right in about 2 weeks.
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I am continuously amazed at UConn fans discounting the SEC this year. UConn played the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th SEC teams and all 3 games came down to the wire. If that didn't prove to you that the league is really good this season, I am at a loss for words.
 
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