Stanford Now #1 Seed? Seriously?

[Fairfield Fan]

Charlie Creme now claims that Stanford is the top seed for the tourney due to their defeat of UCLA. How's that? Did he not have a Fox channel with which to view UConn's dismantling of Villanova?

Something smells here....

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[Plebe]

Charlie Creme now claims that Stanford is the top seed for the tourney due to their defeat of UCLA. How's that? Did he not have a Fox channel with which to view UConn's dismantling of Villanova?

A beatdown of UCLA is far more enhancing to a resume than any win over Villanova. One is a top 10 team, the other is a bubble team at best.

 

[Blue Huskie]

Is this what we’ve come to? Micro managing seeds based on point spreads? is women’s hoops to be treated like College football now? It’s overdone and over thought.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Getting the number 2 overall #1 Seed is not bad. NCAA Net Rankings have Stanford #1 with UConn #2. Massey also has Stanford #1 with a SOS of 13. UConn is #2 with a SOS of 70. IMO Stanford deserves the Overall #1

 

[UConnCat]

Although Charlie thinks he is the Selection Committee he is not.

I’m not sure the overall #1 seed will change unless UConn loses or plays poorly tonight. We’ll know in one week.

 

[TerpWomenFan]

They did say they were using the S curve this season. Does it really matter?

 

[donalddoowop]

That UCLA team that got beaten yesterday did not look like a top 10 team and it was not all because of Stanford. Why was not Stanford the number one team already? Did the strength of schedule change? Evidently, Stanford should have been the top seed before yesterday. You lose the top seed after winning a game big. It does not make sense.

 

[Sanka541]

Stanford's 2 losses are to Colorado in OT and UCLA. I am not sure why a big margin of victory yesterday would suddenly have them leapfrog ahead of UConn as overall number 1?

 

[oldude]

Early in the season I felt that Stanford was the best team in the nation, and they certainly have played well lately. But they were inconsistent during the middle of the season, losing to a ranked UCLA team and a mediocre Colorado team. I know they were away from home for a long stretch due to the pandemic, but it’s hard to explain a loss to the Buffaloes under any circumstances.

The committee will consider all of the above. Wherever UConn and Stanford end up seeded, they will likely be on opposite sides of the bracket. Hopefully, the Huskies and the Cardinal will meet in the championship and then we’ll know for sure which team is #1 overall.

 

[Bald Husky]

I think our opponents as the #2 seed are better than the #1 seed.

 

[Sanka541]

Also looking at Stanfords schedule, other then their wins against Arizona and UCLA they havent beaten any top level teams? Oregon isnt top level this season. They havent even played any tough OOC games? Cannot understand how margin of victory against an ok UCLA team could now earn them the overall 1 seed. That would be odd in my opinion. All other 1 seeds have atleast one top win.

 

[Wbbfan1]

I would rather the team face Kentucky instead of the Lady Vols for the 2nd time. Baylor with Didi Richards and her defense would cause problems.

I think our opponents as the #2 seed are better than the #1 seed.

 

[Blue Huskie]

Early in the season I felt that Stanford was the best team in the nation, and they certainly have played well lately. But they were inconsistent during the middle of the season, losing to a ranked UCLA team and a mediocre Colorado team. I know they were away from home for a long stretch due to the pandemic, but it’s hard to explain a loss to the Buffaloes under any circumstances.

The committee will consider all of the above. Wherever UConn and Stanford end up seeded, they will likely be on opposite sides of the bracket. Hopefully, the Huskies and the Cardinal will meet in the championship and then we’ll know for sure which team is the #1 overall.

Another aspect of the top PAC 12 teams that makes comparisons difficult is that they have been pretty isolated in their own conference this season. Very few OOC games like other P5 conferences have had. If they each
had a game or two against an SEC or ACC team it would have helped. (I see Sanka just addressed this too)

 

[oldude]

Another aspect of the top PAC 12 teams that makes comparisons difficult is that they have been pretty isolated in their own conference this season. Very few OOC games like other P5 conferences have had. If they each
had a game or two against an SEC or ACC team it would have helped.

To your point, in the past few years the Pac-12 has earned a reputation as the top P-5 conference. That’s clearly not the case this season. The SEC is the top conference this season, and it’s not that close. UConn’s wins over SC & TN, and even the tough loss at Arkansas give the Huskies a pretty good case to make as the #1 overall seed.

 

[Plebe]

Also looking at Stanfords schedule, other then their wins against Arizona and UCLA they havent beaten any top level teams? Oregon isnt top level this season. They havent even played any tough OOC games? Cannot understand how margin of victory against an ok UCLA team could now earn them the overall 1 seed. That would be odd in my opinion. All other 1 seeds have atleast one top win.

You didn't quite state it clearly, but Stanford has two wins each over Arizona and UCLA. That makes four wins over teams ranked in the committee's most recent top 10. Stanford also has more "Quad 1" wins overall than UConn does. UConn's resume rests very heavily on the one win over South Carolina, and obviously that was a major reason UConn was ahead of Stanford in the most recent reveal, but the gap couldn't have been very large.

Creme may or may not be right about the margin of victory being what pushes Stanford up (or for that matter about whether Stanford moves up at all) but no doubt whatever gap existed between UConn and Stanford, at the very least, got smaller.

 

[Sanka541]

I would really rather avoid a sweet 16 matchup with tennessee to be honest but in NCAA's this year there are several 3-5 seeds you would like to avoid eg Georgia, Arkansas etc so I dont think there are many easy sweet sixteen games

 

[Plebe]

I would really rather avoid a sweet 16 matchup with tennessee to be honest but in NCAA's this year there are several 3-5 seeds you would like to avoid eg Georgia, Arkansas etc so I dont think there are many easy sweet sixteen games

Food for thought:

If UConn fans are confident we deserve the overall #1 seed, why are we fretting about which teams we have to play? My attitude about this is that if you're afraid to play anyone then you don't actually think you're the best team.

 

[TheFarmFan]

I think there are good arguments for either team. Stanford had a much better portfolio of good wins, but it also has one bad loss.

Arguably, I'd rather go into the championship game as the 2 than the 1. But either way, I'm sure hoping the Huskies and the Cardinal get to settle this debate on the hardwood in San Antonio!

 

[jaydee602]

According to Massey, here are the projected point spreads for UCONN games vs. the #1 & #2 seeds as of today:
#2 Louisville: UCONN (-10)
#2 NC State: UCONN (-10)
#2 Baylor: UCONN (-3)
#2 Maryland: UCONN (-3.5)
#1 South Carolina UCONN (-4)
#1 Texas A&M: UCONN (-10)
#1 Stanford: STANFORD (-1)
Any surprises?

 

[ABCDFE]

Number one overall or number two overall. I take Geno’s motto. Could care less, we play Whos in front of us. Let’s take care of Marquette first and then staff will have plenty of time to plan for teams for tournament. This year I think all number ones will have to earn their way to a natty. I like our chances with “playoff Paige”.

 

[King Kong]

A beatdown of UCLA is far more enhancing to a resume than any win over Villanova. One is a top 10 team, the other is a bubble team at best.

Yes, agree. In any case, if UConn plays at its best, it might be UConn Vs Stanford for the championship. At this moment, I would take Stanford -3.

 

[AmeriConn]

WWGS.......What Would Geno Say?

 

[oldude]

Massy has Stanford 25-2 and UConn 23-1.
Does Massy conclude the next 3 games already?

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Those are their current records as of this morning, which begs the question, if UConn has a solid win over a good Marquette team tonight, what does it do to the rankings?

 

[visitingcock]

This morning's NET Top 16:

1	1	Stanford	Pac-12	25-2	13-1	6-1	6-0	0-0
2	2	UConn	Big East	23-1	10-1	2-0	11-0	0-0
3	3	South Carolina	SEC	22-4	7-3	5-0	10-1	0-0
4	4	Baylor	Big 12	21-2	10-1	0-0	11-1	0-0
5	5	Maryland	Big Ten	21-2	9-1	2-1	10-0	0-0
6	6	Louisville	ACC	23-3	7-1	3-1	13-1	0-0
7	8	NC State	ACC	20-2	6-2	3-0	11-0	0-0
8	7	UCLA	Pac-12	16-5	5-2	3-1	8-2	0-0
9	9	Indiana	Big Ten	18-4	8-2	0-0	10-2	0-0
10	10	Oregon	Pac-12	13-8	6-2	0-2	7-4	0-0
11	11	Rutgers	Big Ten	14-3	5-2	0-0	9-1	0-0
12	12	Texas A&M	SEC	23-2	9-1	1-1	13-0	0-0
13	13	Georgia	SEC	20-6	8-2	2-1	10-3	0-0
14	15	Tennessee	SEC	16-7	4-4	1-1	11-2	0-0
15	14	Arizona	Pac-12	16-5	4-3	1-1	11-1	0-0
16	16	Gonzaga	WCC	21-3	8-2	4-1	9-0	0-0

 

[Florida Fan]

I would rather the team face Kentucky instead of the Lady Vols for the 2nd time. Baylor with Didi Richards and her defense would cause problems.

Agree; Tennessee can go off on opponents, streaky, and we don't matchup well against them.

 

[Kaizen]

Those are their current records as of this morning, which begs the question, if UConn has a solid win over a good Marquette team tonight, what does it do to the rankings?

My bad, why I always think We are still 20-1? Yes we are 23-1 and Stanford is 25-2.

 

[Sanka541]

This morning's NET Top 16:

1	1	Stanford	Pac-12	25-2	13-1	6-1	6-0	0-0
2	2	UConn	Big East	23-1	10-1	2-0	11-0	0-0
3	3	South Carolina	SEC	22-4	7-3	5-0	10-1	0-0
4	4	Baylor	Big 12	21-2	10-1	0-0	11-1	0-0
5	5	Maryland	Big Ten	21-2	9-1	2-1	10-0	0-0
6	6	Louisville	ACC	23-3	7-1	3-1	13-1	0-0
7	8	NC State	ACC	20-2	6-2	3-0	11-0	0-0
8	7	UCLA	Pac-12	16-5	5-2	3-1	8-2	0-0
9	9	Indiana	Big Ten	18-4	8-2	0-0	10-2	0-0
10	10	Oregon	Pac-12	13-8	6-2	0-2	7-4	0-0
11	11	Rutgers	Big Ten	14-3	5-2	0-0	9-1	0-0
12	12	Texas A&M	SEC	23-2	9-1	1-1	13-0	0-0
13	13	Georgia	SEC	20-6	8-2	2-1	10-3	0-0
14	15	Tennessee	SEC	16-7	4-4	1-1	11-2	0-0
15	14	Arizona	Pac-12	16-5	4-3	1-1	11-1	0-0
16	16	Gonzaga	WCC	21-3	8-2	4-1	9-0	0-0

I think in a year like this where so many games (particularly big OOC games) have been cancelled it is really hard to base things on NET. Also teams like Oregon are ranked way too highly for how they have done this year which makes Stanfords wins against them look better then they are etc.

 

[King Kong]

Yes, agree. In any case, if UConn plays at its best, it might be UConn Vs Stanford for the championship. At this moment, I would take Stanford -3.

In any case, this morning the difference on Massey between their #1 Stanford & their #2 UConn has narrowed, meaning UConn's margin over Villanova is more impressive than Stanford's margin (or playing) over UCLA. I do look forward to settling this issue on the court, where I think it could go either way, & UConn will need everyone to do very well.
Massey has Stanford at 9.57 points, & UConn at 9.52 points, a virtual tie.

 

[Centerstream]

The PAC-12 Tournament Championship was on the ESPN family of networks, the Big East is on the Fox Sports family of networks, Charlie Creme works for ESPN. That's all folks.
In previous seasons, not counting 2020, in the final weeks of the season, has Charlie changed "his" Number 1 seeds without the team losing???

 

[Bald Husky]

You didn't quite state it clearly, but Stanford has two wins each over Arizona and UCLA. That makes four wins over teams ranked in the committee's most recent top 10. Stanford also has more "Quad 1" wins overall than UConn does. UConn's resume rests very heavily on the one win over South Carolina, and obviously that was a major reason UConn was ahead of Stanford in the most recent reveal, but the gap couldn't have been very large.

Creme may or may not be right about the margin of victory being what pushes Stanford up (or for that matter about whether Stanford moves up at all) but no doubt whatever gap existed between UConn and Stanford, at the very least, got smaller.

If none of the pac12 teams played out of conference games how do we know if their rankings are legit? Oregon started in the top 10 and they proved they weren't worthy. UCONN only rose to #1 because of their performance against Tennessee and SC. Stanford lost to an unranked Colorado team, so the only way any team can be tested is against each other. Just playing conference teams should not decide who is #1, especially in this environment and the way each of the other top teams have been performing against each other. UCONN, NC State, Louisville, Texas A&M, South Carolina have played one another, and among those teams the overall #1 should emerge.