OT: St. Johns's MBB To Refrain from Postgame Handshake

[UCTitleTown]

I think all schools should do this. Too many bad incidents. Just do a team wave or turn as a team and applaud the opponent at the end. I played baseball and we never shook hands.

 

[arch]

In 30 years of coaching I saw far more poor conduct from players on the winning team than from the losing team.

Am I misreading. “In 30 years of coaching I lost a lot.”??

 

[temery]

Am I misreading. “In 30 years of coaching I lost a lot.”??

You would be very wrong.

 

[Travelman6]

. It’s less inventory but more inventory doesn’t automatically equal more money. the product itself would be much improved. I’m watching the tnt game right now and the magic don’t have their 2 best players it sucks. If ratings keep dropping the next tv deal is going down even if they add games. The nfl plays 17 games so 62 is plenty of inventory. There are currently nba games on Friday and Saturday nights that go head to head with college. Plus the more sports going on at the same time the harder it is to follow them all

82 down to 62? Too big of a difference, what about the record books?

Maybe 76 I could see.... 4 conferences of 8 teams - home and home with everyone is 62 as you said and an extra 2 games with 7 conference mates is 76.

 

[gtcam]

Maybe Pitino has a STD and afraid it will spread with a handshake???

 

[Son of Robert]

I always saw the 'handshake line' as sportsmanship and respect. A chance for players and coaches to give props to the players and coaches from the other team.

 

[bendm]

82 down to 62? Too big of a difference, what about the record books?

Maybe 76 I could see.... 4 conferences of 8 teams - home and home with everyone is 62 as you said and an extra 2 games with 7 conference mates is 76.

6 fewer games won’t make a difference. Needs to be a significant reduction so every game matters in order to fix load management. By sitting out all these games players are telling us they don’t care about the record books

 

[husky429]

One of the few things I'm old school about is handshake lines. Should be mandatory.

 

[freescooter]

This is very outside the box - a cornucopia of irresponsible spitballing that descends into a flat-footed joke. Build that brand!

You'll do anything to keep away from finishing that long list of all the coaches who could do what Dan Hurley had done up until 23 months or so ago.

You're writing like your dream come true would be a gimmicky "NewBA" that's a shadow of its former self and ripe for your non-stop complaining.

Baseball now puts a man on 2nd in extra innings, has a pitch clock and apparently discussing the “golden bat” to let you move your best hitter out of order. The NFL has revised the kickoff rule to a way that is unrecognizable and moved the pat back from the 3 to the 30. Silver’s solution is to do funky looking courts and schedule a tournament that even the players don’t much care about. Gonna take more than that. I’m not saying my ideas are great but neither are Silver’s. At least I’m trying to address the problem. He is trying to pretend it can be solved with sleight of hand.

 

[HooperScooper]

Maybe Pitino has a STD and afraid it will spread with a handshake???

Since Pitino is all about himself I think he cares more about catching something than giving something to someone else.

 

[Deepster]

One of the few things I'm old school about is handshake lines. Should be mandatory.

Why?

 

[Iluvsuebird]

I have no problem with this. It is an artificial gesture. Let the organic handshakes happen as the game ends, or not, and call it a day

yes Prince, most common courtesies are "artificial gestures". Point of fact, good manners are "artificial gestures". I am so glad I am middle aged. I would hate to grow up with this freaking generation.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Baseball now puts a man on 2nd in extra innings, has a pitch clock and apparently discussing the “golden bat” to let you move your best hitter out of order. The NFL has revised the kickoff rule to a way that is unrecognizable and moved the pat back from the 3 to the 30. Silver’s solution is to do funky looking courts and schedule a tournament that even the players don’t much care about. Gonna take more than that. I’m not saying my ideas are great but neither are Silver’s. At least I’m trying to address the problem. He is trying to pretend it can be solved with sleight of hand.

I genuinely like this post, and wish happy, joyous, and meaningful holidays for you and those with whom you share them.

With rare, idiosyncratic exceptions I'm basically not going to watch NBA, MLB, or NFL games until there are no more than 8 teams left in the playoffs, sometimes 4, occasionally 2...no matter what changes are made.

Each year, I ask well-chosen friends to give me rule updates. Some I like, most I think are dumb, and none of them get me to watch more. I figure that the leagues & I have made peace that my boyhood self isn't coming back anytime soon.

I feel blessed to have watched the Islanders regularly throughout the regular season and Stanley Cup victories in 1981, '82, and '83. I still lived in CT in 1980, and also saw them lose in the Conference Championships in '84, before I no longer worked for a generous employer with season tickets. Before and after that, I found that I can't follow hockey on TV, so it doesn't interest me. As such, NHL doesn't count for me. If any rules have changed in the past 40 years, I have no clue.

 

[mussels]

Why?

I can‘t speak for 429, but for me its about keeping a tradition founded on sportsmanship, and respect for your opponent. (all those things we say sports are supposed to teach people)

Its way easier to destroy a tradition than it is to create one, and little by little society just gets courser and courser. (look at the internet where there are no old traditions)

Sort of why you say please, and thank you. Is it really necessary when asking for something as simple as passing the salt? No, but it just makes the world go a little smoother.

 

[Deepster]

I can‘t speak for 429, but for me its about keeping a tradition founded on sportsmanship, and respect for your opponent. (all those things we say sports are supposed to teach people)

Its way easier to destroy a tradition than it is to create one, and little by little society just gets courser and courser. (look at the internet where there are no old traditions)

Sort of why you say please, and thank you. Is it really necessary when asking for something as simple as passing the salt? No, but it just makes the world go a little smoother.

Baseball doesn’t have a handshake line.

Is there no respect there?

 

[HooperScooper]

Baseball doesn’t have a handshake line.

Is there no respect there?

Do they do it in college baseball? I think that's a better comparison. I haven't been to a college baseball game in a long time so I'm not sure.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

yes Prince, most common courtesies are "artificial gestures". Point of fact, good manners are "artificial gestures". I am so glad I am middle aged. I would hate to grow up with this freaking generation.

Lol....

 

[mussels]

Baseball doesn’t have a handshake line.

Is there no respect there?

I‘m sure there is, but I‘m also sure where it exists its the result of prior coaches, and other adults emphasizing the importance of sportsmanship. I dont think it just organically happens.

So when you have an established tradition that emphasizes the right things, why kill it just because other sports don’t have the same tradition?

Should we get rid of the band and cheerleaders because baseball doesnt have them?

 

[Deepster]

I understand the opposing viewpoint. You asked why someone might feel differently, and I did my best to clearly answer.

So on to the cheerleaders. There are both male and female cheerleaders, everyone is fully clothed, they don’t compete but are clearly athletes, and its voluntary. Where’s the misogny?

Not in the NFL or NBA.

They do nothing for the game other than provide perverted drunk male fans some eye candy. No?

 

[Palatine]

I think the Big East tradition is a handshake line after the game. Surprised by Pitino.

 

[mussels]

Not in the NFL or NBA.

They do nothing for the game other than provide perverted drunk male fans some eye candy. No?

Not sure I‘d go quite that far, but I’ll concede that on the continuum extending from nun to stripper, the professional cheerleader would be closer to the latter.

If they went away tomorrow I don‘t think anyone would care. Ditto all the lights lasers, and piped in sound system.

 

[jibsey]

These college cheerleaders are not the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader if you have checked lately. They are inclusive of all body types, types that would never get on a pro team so they are not sexist. For grumpy old bastards out there it’s called school spirit. The kids like it. YOU don’t like it? Too bad.
Look, this whole thing can be summed up succinctly. There are 350 college teams and all US high school basketball teams that do the handshake line. Case closed. And…….Pitino is looking for controversy and an edge for his team In a nutshell. He is also a POS.

 

[superjohn]

These college cheerleaders are not the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader if you have checked lately. They are inclusive of all body types, types that would never get on a pro team so they are not sexist.

What schools are you talking about? I watch a ton of college sports and I'm not seeing this all inclusive body type thing with the cheerleaders. Northeast schools aren't up to par with ASU and Georgia but they still look like cheerleaders.

 

[jibsey]

What schools are you talking about? I watch a ton of college sports and I'm not seeing this all inclusive body type thing with the cheerleaders. Northeast schools aren't up to par with ASU and Georgia but they still look like cheerleaders.

You miss the point, this thread is not about cheerleaders it’s about Pitino being a jerk.

 

[Deepster]

You miss the point, this thread is not about cheerleaders it’s about Pitino being a jerk.

I think the point is discussing why we continue useless “traditions”.

 

[jibsey]

I think the point is discussing why we continue useless “traditions”.

The entire HS and college basketball world does that. Next is why bother with the National Anthem, a tradition?
These are not ”useless traditions”. The Yankees play God Bless America in the 7th inning stretch. Useless?
It’s pretty clear that we are wasting our time trying to explain to you why good sportsmanship and doing something decent at game end is done by the entire country.
And now at the end of the game the coaches won’t shake hands either?

The head of St. John’s is Rev. Brian J. Shanley O.P. a member of the Dominican Order of Preachers. Pitino was hired above many objections when he was absolved of his past basketball “sins” by Shanley to get the job. I don’t expect anything from him in this because Rick drives the bus and winning is all that matters, but we’ll see.

 

[jake14mw]

I didn't follow what "problems" they were having in the handshake line, but how about that being part of what you're teaching kids? How about teaching your kids to have some self control after the game is over? So instead the lesson is... since you guys have to act like balloon knots, I'm going to take you out of situations where you have to control yourselves? What a joke.

 

[Deepster]

These are not ”useless traditions”. The Yankees play God Bless America in the 7th inning stretch. Useless?

You understand this your opinion. Not fact, right?

And I think the post game handshake is meaningless and feigned “sportsmanship”.

 

[gsmooth]

I’ll play along on this one.

So what if they don’t shake hands? The players just fake it thru halfassed. Most of the times the coaches force some niceties and move on. Is it really sportsmanship? It’s like sitting at the Thanksgiving table, your aunt making you say what you’re thankful for and saying ”friends and family”.

This is my exact take, too. So what? Why do they even have the shaking hands after the game is over? Like you stated it's so half assed and players are sticking their hands out and not even looking at the opposing player that slaps the hand, but rather straight ahead into space.

The only times I recall in recent memory where the players actually legitimately speak to each other and care to have a conversation, oddly enough because of the title of this thread, is when St. John's and Seton Hall do it. I think that is because before Pitino SJU and SHU recruited above mid tier players, but not highly rranked players within the top 50 players primarily from the NYC metro area and that those players knew each other very well from the AAU and Elite basketball circuits.

 

[Hunt for 7]

You understand this your opinion. Not fact, right?

And I think the post game handshake is meaningless and feigned “sportsmanship”.

If we decide to just by pass any modicum of sportsmanship, then we won’t even have “feigned” sportsmanship. Let’s just let the little league players shout obscenities at the other team. Because why should a 11 year old who is crying because his /her team just lost the championship go shake the winners hand. What lesson could possibly be learned by facing adversity and overcoming it and moving forward. That has no value at all.

While we’re at it let’s just stop saying thank you. Because we all know when people say it after a meaningless transaction it is just feigned anyway. We don’t care that the server brought us our food it’s their job for goodness sake.

Let’s also stop holding doors for physically challenged persons or women. And helping the old woman across the street yeah that’s a waste of time.

Glad I won’t be around to see what happens when we decide to completely disregard anyone we want to when we want to because it’s all bs anyway.