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UCFan1513 said:
Personally, I love other coaches being petty and firey. It introduces a game within the game. This league needs more storylines and must market itself better. The more subplots, the more fun as a fan, the more eyeballs
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Exactly. If anything - Pitino is a genius for this. He is the only one trying to stir the pot and create some controversy/storyline.

We need more of that from other coaches, not less.
 
Hunt for 7 said:
If we decide to just by pass any modicum of sportsmanship, then we won’t even have “feigned” sportsmanship. Let’s just let the little league players shout obscenities at the other team. Because why should a 11 year old who is crying because his /her team just lost the championship go shake the winners hand. What lesson could possibly be learned by facing adversity and overcoming it and moving forward. That has no value at all.

While we’re at it let’s just stop saying thank you. Because we all know when people say it after a meaningless transaction it is just feigned anyway. We don’t care that the server brought us our food it’s their job for goodness sake.

Let’s also stop holding doors for physically challenged persons or women. And helping the old woman across the street yeah that’s a waste of time.

Glad I won’t be around to see what happens when we decide to completely disregard anyone we want to when we want to because it’s all bs anyway.
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You're making leaps that you can't prove are true.

If you remove the postgame handshake, there's absolutely nothing that connects that move to little leaguers yelling at each other. You're the one making that very, very subjective leap. I could easily say that your I find your post offensive to me (subjective opinion) and if you continue to post like this, we'll be murdering each other in the streets.
 
It's Pitino being Pitino, just like when he was calling for a 20 team league.

Sportsmanship shouldn't be discouraged, and when players act up, that's on the coach. And if Rick doesn't like teams shaking hands after the game, how about before?
 
Deepster said:
You're making leaps that you can't prove are true.

If you remove the postgame handshake, there's absolutely nothing that connects that move to little leaguers yelling at each other. You're the one making that very, very subjective leap. I could easily say that your I find your post offensive to me (subjective opinion) and if you continue to post like this, we'll be murdering each other in the streets.
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That’s really is funny.

The point I am making is every youth sport I have coached in made it mandatory to shake the other team’s hand at the end of the game. If you make it about the competition and respect for those you are competing against you are right there is no way to prove that it is an healthier approach. My experience is that it works well as a teaching tool on how to carry yourself in life. Give respect get respect kind of thing. But that can’t be proven right.

From my experience when actually being in the arena competing it is best to accept the loss learn from it and move on.

Now I have seen in some cases the kids handle losses better than the parents and that it always a great learning experience.

Watching a big 11 yr old kid get between his mother and another parent to stop a fight. Because there is no handshake line for the parents who all think their kid is the next Willie Mays.

As for your first line “you can’t prove are true” you are correct. The tool used to measure that is currently being used to measure Christmas spirit.

Not sure exactly where the BY ranks in that area.
 
Hunt for 7 said:
That’s really is funny.

The point I am making is every youth sport I have coached in made it mandatory to shake the other team’s hand at the end of the game. If you make it about the competition and respect for those you are competing against you are right there is no way to prove that it is an healthier approach. My experience is that it works well as a teaching tool on how to carry yourself in life. Give respect get respect kind of thing. But that can’t be proven right.

From my experience when actually being in the arena competing it is best to accept the loss learn from it and move on.

Now I have seen in some cases the kids handle losses better than the parents and that it always a great learning experience.

Watching a big 11 yr old kid get between his mother and another parent to stop a fight. Because there is no handshake line for the parents who all think their kid is the next Willie Mays.

As for your first line “you can’t prove are true” you are correct. The tool used to measure that is currently being used to measure Christmas spirit.

Not sure exactly where the BY ranks in that area.
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And again, you can’t prove that any benefit or lesson learned in sports would not still happen without a forced handshake.
 
Deepster said:
And again, you can’t prove that any benefit or lesson learned in sports would not still happen without a forced handshake.
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And you can't prove there isn't any benefit learned in sports by having to shake someone's hand at the end. You're stating your opinion that it's a useless tradition like everybody else as if you're not the pot yelling at everybody you think is a kettle
 
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Hunt for 7 said:
That’s really is funny.

The point I am making is every youth sport I have coached in made it mandatory to shake the other team’s hand at the end of the game. If you make it about the competition and respect for those you are competing against you are right there is no way to prove that it is an healthier approach. My experience is that it works well as a teaching tool on how to carry yourself in life. Give respect get respect kind of thing. But that can’t be proven right.

From my experience when actually being in the arena competing it is best to accept the loss learn from it and move on.

Now I have seen in some cases the kids handle losses better than the parents and that it always a great learning experience.

Watching a big 11 yr old kid get between his mother and another parent to stop a fight. Because there is no handshake line for the parents who all think their kid is the next Willie Mays.

As for your first line “you can’t prove are true” you are correct. The tool used to measure that is currently being used to measure Christmas spirit.

Not sure exactly where the BY ranks in that area.
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Lol, that you've got a poster saying "you can't prove you're right" and yet your opinion is every bit as valid as his. Notice Deepster isn't trying to prove he's right? Don't get sucked down the rabbit hole. Deep is an idiot.
 
J187Money said:
I have to wonder if that is due to the standings:

Cavs are leading the east (and not with LeBron) - the Celtics are legit but the rest of the east is largely a mess.

In the West you have OKC/Memphis/Houston at the top - the Warriors are in 8th, the Lakers are 10th.

The product on the floor is interesting - but it is a star driven league. If they end up with a Cleveland/OKC final will anyone watch?
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The Lakers are in 5th place now. There are a lot of good teams in the West. The East is pretty bad. The 6 seed in the East wouldn’t be in the playoffs in the West. Well they would be in the last play-in spot. 10th. And I think a lot of you are misremembering horrible 90s basketball. Especially the Knicks. All the holding, grabbing and fouling was unwatchable. Nobody wants to watch 83-79 NBA games. The league got watered down by expansion which lead to it. Larry Bird said it 15-20 years ago
 
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87Xfer said:
Basketball has and does. Why do you want to kill it?
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I don’t really care either way. But I feel like nothing would change if they did get rid of it. It’s fake and forced and insincere.
 
Pitino is looking for an edge to beat…..Hurley. That simple. His team is gearing up for it and I hope we bring the same attitude or better. We are their Super Bowl, twice. This has nothing to do with any “ meaningless gesture”. I want us to be the team that plays with attitude against them and then after beating them line up to shake hands and if they walk away just stand there for a bit and watch them walk out of the arena before we go in.
 
Deepster said:
I don’t really care either way. But I feel like nothing would change if they did get rid of it. It’s fake and forced and insincere.
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I'll call bullshit on this one, that it is fake, forced, or insincere. I watch the line at the end of games, and there are always real interchanges; the respect between opposing coaches and players is very real. Almost always, there are players who know each other from prior interactions.
 
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jibsey said:
Pitino is looking for an edge to beat…..Hurley. That simple. His team is gearing up for it and I hope we bring the same attitude or better. We are their Super Bowl, twice. This has nothing to do with any “ meaningless gesture”. I want us to be the team that plays with attitude against them and then after beating them line up to shake hands and if they walk away just stand there for a bit and watch them walk out of the arena before we go in.
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While laughing.
 
UCFan1513 said:
Personally, I love other coaches being petty and firey. It introduces a game within the game. This league needs more storylines and must market itself better. The more subplots, the more fun as a fan, the more eyeballs
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My take as well. This is all stunt promotion. This is great for Pitino, great for St. Johns, great for the Big East and hence great for UConn.

Hurley is a fantastic promotor for himself and the UConn basketball program. He just does it differently. Keeping the program's name in the forefront of college hoops helps with recruiting and eyeballs. Geno was/is a fantastic promotor. JC promoted UConn as well although it wasn't his forte. I have to wonder if it played a role in his relationship with Geno and his perspective of Pitino.
 
Son of Robert said:
I'll call bullshit on this one, that it is fake, forced, or insincere. I watch the line at the end of games, and there are always real interchanges; the respect between opposing coaches and players is very real. Almost always, there are players who know each other from prior interactions.
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Meh. Just like the NBA, guys can seek each other out and shake hands, catch up, etc if they want without being “forced” into it. Same as college (and pro) football. Guys who wanna interact will do so bc they want to. Most of the guys have never and will never see each other until they play again. And most losing players aren’t in the mood for forced interactions.
 
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Son of Robert said:
I'll call bullshit on this one, that it is fake, forced, or insincere. I watch the line at the end of games, and there are always real interchanges; the respect between opposing coaches and players is very real. Almost always, there are players who know each other from prior interactions.
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Well. You don’t watch every game. In fact you probably watch less than 1% of all games.

And in the games you do watch you definitely don’t see sincere real exchanges every time.
 
TheHorde said:
Germphobes? Poor sportsmanship? Or something else?
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Maybe he wants to torpedo St John’s and the Big East, and wants prospective recruits to go elsewhere. Or maybe a UConn three peat is too much to bear.
 
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What can one say other than Deepster is a Pitino fan and agrees that what he’s doing is great. Just said so apparently.
 
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jibsey said:
What can one say other than Deepster is a Pitino fan and agrees that what he’s doing is great. Just said so apparently.
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I never said that.

I think it's funny the counter argument is filled with rah rah hyperbole. If we get rid of The Handshake, all humankind will crumble!!!
 
Deepster said:
I never said that.

I think it's funny the counter argument is filled with rah rah hyperbole. If we get rid of The Handshake, all humankind will crumble!!!
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You did. You said you were in favor of it and have been defending Pitino vigorously from the start. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
 
For what it's worth, in all CIAC high school games this season, teams shake hands before the game and not after. Thoughts? Seems odd, but maybe it just takes some getting used to.

Do BE teams still shake hands before games also? Believe this started right after 9/11 for some reason, but I may be incorrect.
 
Deepster said:
Baseball doesn’t have a handshake line.

Is there no respect there?
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In MLB they 95 mph fastballs at a close proximity to your head. So, no respect there. Never has been.
 
superjohn said:
What schools are you talking about? I watch a ton of college sports and I'm not seeing this all inclusive body type thing with the cheerleaders. Northeast schools aren't up to par with ASU and Georgia but they still look like cheerleaders.
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LSU (my favorite) still featuring the traditional (classic that is) look.

 
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jibsey said:
Pitino is looking for an edge to beat…..Hurley. That simple. His team is gearing up for it and I hope we bring the same attitude or better. We are their Super Bowl, twice. This has nothing to do with any “ meaningless gesture”. I want us to be the team that plays with attitude against them and then after beating them line up to shake hands and if they walk away just stand there for a bit and watch them walk out of the arena before we go in.
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Yes, to Rick he must think of this as a humiliation after beating. There still going to get the beatings no matter what he does. He should consider a new line of work like used cars or politics.
 
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