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[Marty Jackson]

What I've been told repeatedly by people who would know.

I wrote about it in a couple of other threads since this particular board started.

I do not not doubt that UConn is trying to gain the attention of the Big Ten, but to date, there has been no interest.

im calling bs... you have no more knowledge of who is or isnt on the big's radar than any other speculator.

 

[Fishy]

im calling bs... you have no more knowledge of who is or isnt on the big's radar than any other speculator.

Feel free.

But ask yourself this - why is it that this board is the only place where UConn is considered a potential Big Ten candidate?

 

[jostar1]

This was posted on the Ohio State board last December:

I don't think they went hardest after a bunch of ACC schools and only landed Maryland. From what I've read Maryland appears to have been specifically targeted for whatever reason. If it proved anything, though, it proved the ACC is not unassailable.

If you go to Google maps, and you create a map will all ACC schools and all Big Ten schools on the map (in separate colors), and you add the following schools in the Big Ten's footprint:

Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn

You will see exactly what they're trying to do.

Jim Delany can essentially own the Mid-atlantic from No. Va to Boston. NYC would be a Big Ten town, and there would be a pretty large buffer zone of 200+ miles in all directions.

People are missing the boat with the Big Ten and ACC. It's not the Big Ten's M.O. to destroy a conference. They selectively pick. And it would be way too expensive to try and take two.

My guess is that they go hard after UVA and round out with UConn. They'll get UConn MBB/WBB to help significantly bolster Big Ten basketball, and they'll have a stranglehold on the map from Omaha to Boston.

Yep. Delany pretty much hinted at this in both the Maryland and Rutgers pressers. He made a big deal about 'contiguous' expansion. I think they have a list of schools they want, and they'll systematically go down the geographic line to trigger the events they desire.
KyleSLamb


Connecticut is not *technically* contiguous but for practical purposes, yes it actually is. The NYC market, which is now in the Big Ten's footprint, is actually included in Western Connecticut. So from Jim Delany's point of view and the Big Ten's POV, it IS a contiguous area. Or put another way, the Big Ten's television footprint is now included in Connecticut (or will be as of 2014). So it pretty much is now a Big Ten state.
KyleSLamb

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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:56 PM
Source close to TP says UConn and Virginia to Big 10
(TP is Tim Pernetti, the Rutgers AD)

 

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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:33 PM
Re: All New Expansion Discussion HERE

TampaDave wrote: Premium board insiders base their concept of realigned conferences on "informed speculation". Nevada's source, who I believe is truly familiar with the inside workings of the B1G HQ in Chicago, makes it clear that UConn and BC are NOT B1G candidates. Give some thought to the 7 day free trial if you want to learn who Chicago sees as viable candidates in a 20 team B1G Ten Conference.​

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Connecticut absolutely is a candidate. I'm certain of that.

I'm sure others have their sources and I respect that. But I know who I'm getting mine from and there's no speculation about it.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=145&f=3154&t=10508077&p=92

 

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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:33 PM
Re: All New Expansion Discussion HERE

TampaDave wrote: Premium board insiders base their concept of realigned conferences on "informed speculation". Nevada's source, who I believe is truly familiar with the inside workings of the B1G HQ in Chicago, makes it clear that UConn and BC are NOT B1G candidates. Give some thought to the 7 day free trial if you want to learn who Chicago sees as viable candidates in a 20 team B1G Ten Conference.​

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Connecticut absolutely is a candidate. I'm certain of that.

I'm sure others have their sources and I respect that. But I know who I'm getting mine from and there's no speculation about it.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=145&f=3154&t=10508077&p=92

Two pages later that poster claims Connecticut becomes a Big Ten state in 2014 with the addition of Rutgers.

That thread makes the Boneyard look a little better.

 

[Nostical]

This is from a thread on an OSU site discussing possible B1G expansion and the AAU issue. Someone had raised Cincinnati as a possible candidate. Note the comments toward the end. I have no idea if this guy has any credibility but earlier he was trying to articulate that there may be some viable candidates for The B1G "beyond those you first might think".

"As someone with direct knowledge of the AAU, let me explain a couple of things. Without rehashing the complete saga of Nebraska's ouster, remember that the AAU's decision to cull the herd came as a shock to some of the legacy invites. The criteria promulgated through the biannual review group was fairly consistent with the AAU's broadened outlook, but denial was not just a river in Egypt. There will be more voluntary departures. I doubt that we bear witness to the public shennanigans of Neb. As far as some of the schools listed above which read as a definitive candidates list of next AAU invitees, Cincy is not on that list. This isn't just my wildnerness opinion. The research dollars claimed by Cincy conflate med operations and research. That's more anathama then claiming noncomp ag dollars to majority of schools. Quite frankly, if any univ hospital could claim, eg, cap construction costs as research dollars, well we'd have hundreds of AAU members. Also, be careful with aggregate research dollars; AAU focuses on comp fed dollars, NSF, NIH, etc. Next, be mindful of the size of the university when discussing research dollars. For example, Brandeis has very few (comparatively) research $'s vis a vis Hopkins, Stanford, etc. however AAU norms that out by merely using a faculty/research $ ratio. And while not quite cause/effect, the underlying academic quality of the institution matters. Each AAU school knows how, e.g, avg mcat,lsat,gre of candidate schools' undergrad students. Cincy isn't playing in the same league as the others. (franky, nor are KU, Oregon, and a few other legacy AAU members) That's why the above list is in error. As some of you probably know, Boston Univ was just extended an AAU invite based on total research $'s in the $380m range, of which $280ish was comp federal grants, normed out to 1400 faculty. That is the figure invitees need to shoot for. KU, Oregon, and a couple others are laggards and will be next on the ouster list while Georgia and UConn will be AAU in next 5 years. UConn in particular is getting a tremendous buzz right now in research academia because of its shopping spree for research talent. It truly is amazing what it is doing right now. It's plucking a LOT of talent during a period of angst in the community. This is a football board, but if it interests you, you'll find a lot of the back story of its talent hunt on google. How this relates to realignment? Let's just say the circle of academia intersects the AD/TV circle in a degenerate point, and never forget that point is all about the dollars."

All of these comments about UConn were written BEFORE the recent moves last week by the school and Gov. Malloy which can only serve to further brighten UConn's blip on the B1G radar screen.

 

[RMoore1999]

UMass?

HFD thinks m--h--v--e--r is referring to Holy Cross East (a/k/a BCU)

 

[nelsonmuntz]

It would be unfortunately ironic if the school that locked us out of the ACC was also the school most shamelessly marketing themselves to the B1G: BCU.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

My prediction as of 8:45 am on 2/3:

UConn is not the first school out of the Big East to a better conference, and may not even be the second.

Get used to it boys, Tulane and ECU are our "rivals" now, and we will be lucky if Cincinnati is in our league in 5 years.

 

[RMoore1999]

This was posted on the Ohio State board last December:

I don't think they went hardest after a bunch of ACC schools and only landed Maryland. From what I've read Maryland appears to have been specifically targeted for whatever reason. If it proved anything, though, it proved the ACC is not unassailable.

If you go to Google maps, and you create a map will all ACC schools and all Big Ten schools on the map (in separate colors), and you add the following schools in the Big Ten's footprint:

Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn

You will see exactly what they're trying to do.

Jim Delany can essentially own the Mid-atlantic from No. Va to Boston. NYC would be a Big Ten town, and there would be a pretty large buffer zone of 200+ miles in all directions.

People are missing the boat with the Big Ten and ACC. It's not the Big Ten's M.O. to destroy a conference. They selectively pick. And it would be way too expensive to try and take two.

My guess is that they go hard after UVA and round out with UConn. They'll get UConn MBB/WBB to help significantly bolster Big Ten basketball, and they'll have a stranglehold on the map from Omaha to Boston.

Yep. Delany pretty much hinted at this in both the Maryland and Rutgers pressers. He made a big deal about 'contiguous' expansion. I think they have a list of schools they want, and they'll systematically go down the geographic line to trigger the events they desire.
KyleSLamb


Connecticut is not *technically* contiguous but for practical purposes, yes it actually is. The NYC market, which is now in the Big Ten's footprint, is actually included in Western Connecticut. So from Jim Delany's point of view and the Big Ten's POV, it IS a contiguous area. Or put another way, the Big Ten's television footprint is now included in Connecticut (or will be as of 2014). So it pretty much is now a Big Ten state.
KyleSLamb

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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:56 PM
Source close to TP says UConn and Virginia to Big 10
(TP is Tim Pernetti, the Rutgers AD)

Let's hope the Pernetti reference is legit. If it is, its the most encouraging shred of any and all of the "evidence" I've come across on the web or otherwise extrapolated from Delaney/Herbst commentary that Connecticut is on the radar...

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I am sure the Big 10 is covering all of its basis, and is probably evaluating expansion candidates more scientifically than any other league. I am sure that UConn is on the radar, along with a lot of other schools.

 

[jostar1]

How to get smart about B1G expansion

It's time to get smart about Big Ten expansion suggestions. Think about it: if you follow these steps, you can outsmart your friends in realignment roulette! Trust me, it won't take much, but you need to know a few things that make Big Ten expansion a bit different from those we've seen in other leagues.

Here are four steps that should help you get started ...

STEP 1: On-field performance really doesn't matter very much
Just because a school has a great football team doesn't mean the Big Ten is interested in adding it as a new member. The Big Ten just added Maryland and Rutgers, two schools not known for their football prowess. The Big Ten is more concerned with population numbers than AP poll numbers, so don't get wrapped up in the wrong data. Try to think less like a fan and more like a businessperson.
STEP 2: Get to know the AAU
The Association of American Universities is an association of leading research universities that means a lot -- not a little, but a lot -- to the Big Ten and its presidents.
Maryland and Rutgers both are AAU members, and you can bet any future expansion targets will be, too.
STEP 3: Look outside the existing Big Ten footprint
Remember, this is Big Ten expansion we're talking about, and given what the Big Ten has said, that means expanding the footprint to new areas with large or growing populations and a good chunk of Big Ten alumni.
STEP 4: Pay attention to demographics
How many times did you hear the word "demographics" from Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany last month? Pay attention to that word.
Look at where the people are. Look at the size of the television market. Look at where Big Ten schools have their largest alumni bases.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/68129/how-to-get-smart-about-b1g-expansion

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

I am sure the Big 10 is covering all of its basis, and is probably evaluating expansion candidates more scientifically than any other league. I am sure that UConn is on the radar, along with a lot of other schools.

"... Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third ...".

 

[RS9999X]

As far as demographics go Delaney also mentioned population growth.

North Carolina and Virginia combined are projected to add the state of CT's population plus another 30% in the next 20 years.
Maryland and New Jersey combined are expected to add "a half of CT" in population in the next 20 years

For all purposes those 4 states will add 2 states of CT by 2035. Count those cable households!


CT is 43rd for population growth which is down there with Rhode Island, Vermont, and New Hampshire and Maine. The Demographics of the state get less desirable every year--concentrated yet declining older white wealth and increasingly younger less wealthy urban minority. All the BiG would really want is Fairfield County for ad revenue. The rest of the state is as desirable as Maine or Vermont.

 

[Exit 4]

As far as demographics go Delaney also mentioned population growth.

North Carolina and Virginia combined are projected to add the state of CT's population plus another 30% in the next 20 years.
Maryland and New Jersey combined are expected to add "a half of CT" in population in the next 20 years

For all purposes those 4 states will add 2 states of CT by 2035. Count those cable households!


CT is 43rd for population growth which is down there with Rhode Island, Vermont, and New Hampshire and Maine. The Demographics of the state get less desirable every year--concentrated yet declining older white wealth and increasingly younger less wealthy urban minority. All the BiG would really want is Fairfield County for ad revenue. The rest of the state is as desirable as Maine or Vermont.

The ACC schools are surely well aware that the demographic trends strongly favor their institutions. This has to be another source of reluctance on their part to join the B1G. From a southern viewpoint, its the rapidly growing south that should be picking up the best pieces of the rustbelt north. Ohio St and Michigan should be dialing in HQ in NC rather than Duke and UNC dialing Chicago. Even if the ACC schools have repeat of moderate or muted football success like the 2000s for the decade ahead, in the long run they will have a demographic advantage. Demographic advantages doesnt = death knell for the B1G. It can survive this if it takes a firm hold of the northeast to broaden the base. If the B1G has been rebuffed by the south, they should jump on the Northeast and make our cable operators care.

 

[kyleslamb]

I am sure the Big 10 is covering all of its basis, and is probably evaluating expansion candidates more scientifically than any other league. I am sure that UConn is on the radar, along with a lot of other schools.

The list really isn't too long. The Big Ten is planning on going to 18 or 20. You could pretty easily narrow the candidates down to BC, UCONN, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech and Florida State (if they make a strong enough case). That's basically eight or nine teams for a maximum of six spots unless Texas were to decide to join (in which case Texas and Kansas could be candidates).

It's almost a guarantee, though, the Big Ten will wind up with at least 18. They're only stopping at 16 if it is the right two schools, and I don't think the combination of schools they would ideally like to get with 16 will happen unless they topple more dominoes.

I could envision a scenario where the Big Ten went after BC, UConn, Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech and Notre Dame. You'd have an Atlantic corridor that stretched from Boston to Atlanta and westward to Chicago/Minneapolis with most points in between. The two things that could change that scenario are whether UNC insists on Duke (not that they wouldn't fit the Big Ten profile) or whether FSU convinces the Big Ten it's committed to becoming a viable research institution. Obviously FSU would be cherished if that happens given the strength of the football program and the location within a heavily populated state.

 

[RMoore1999]

The list really isn't too long. The Big Ten is planning on going to 18 or 20. You could pretty easily narrow the candidates down to BC, UCONN, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech and Florida State (if they make a strong enough case). That's basically eight or nine teams for a maximum of six spots unless Texas were to decide to join (in which case Texas and Kansas could be candidates).

It's almost a guarantee, though, the Big Ten will wind up with at least 18. They're only stopping at 16 if it is the right two schools, and I don't think the combination of schools they would ideally like to get with 16 will happen unless they topple more dominoes.

I could envision a scenario where the Big Ten went after BC, UConn, Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech and Notre Dame. You'd have an Atlantic corridor that stretched from Boston to Atlanta and westward to Chicago/Minneapolis with most points in between. The two things that could change that scenario are whether UNC insists on Duke (not that they wouldn't fit the Big Ten profile) or whether FSU convinces the Big Ten it's committed to becoming a viable research institution. Obviously FSU would be cherished if that happens given the strength of the football program and the location within a heavily populated state.

I understand B1G's attraction to all the schools you list except BC.

Does Delaney really believe ND cares about BC?

 

[RS9999X]

If the B1G has been rebuffed by the south, they should jump on the Northeast and make our cable operators care.

I'm not convinced they've been rebuffed by the South. That's more than likely an ACC wet dream.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Feel free.

But ask yourself this - why is it that this board is the only place where UConn is considered a potential Big Ten candidate?

a) its not. i've seen and linked non-uconn related sites speculating potential targets with uconn mentioned.
b) so because a couple clowns suggest gt, that means its legit? c'mon fish youre better than that...
c) this is a uconn board. one would think visions here are slightly skewed towards national flag blue colored glasses. so if people want to run with that, great.
d) this place is nuts. some people will read into anything, even after a poster admits to making stuff up. seen it many times here... they'll just call the poster out and then continue to speculate on the known garbage.

none of this proves or disproves the next step in cr. given whats happened so far, its easy to think the worst. but to suggest you know something based on that is bs. you are speculating, just like everyone else.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Why would Fishy intentionally make up or put a negative spin on our situation? Clearly the people he has talked to dont think the situation looks good.

We just have to hope that if UConn and B1G have talked, it has been as under wraps as the Rutgers talks.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Why would Fishy intentionally make up or put a negative spin on our situation? Clearly the people he has talked to dont think the situation looks good.

We just have to hope that if UConn and B1G have talked, it has been as under wraps as the Rutgers talks.

He wouldn't. He'll jump for joy like the rest of us if the invite comes. I am torn. There is a certain logic to adding UVA and UConn from a geographic and academic perspective. I really don't think the B1G can extend any further south than Virgina, and even Virginia is a stretch. But it shores up northern VA/Metro DC, and shores up northern metro NY if they add those two. I honestly don't think the B1G can play in the sandbox any further south. It will never capture mindshare in those states. It could do it in Kansas with KU, but the GOR and lack of a large market besides KC is limiting.

But I don't know how the B1G views Syracuse and BC either. Cuse was long rumored for the Big Ten, when it was AAU. It's a very large private university, unlike BC. In some respects, UConn, UVA now, and BC plus ND later make a lot or sense. The Big Ten becomes the "Big North". It owns the northern U.S. But the reality is, that move may not be worth the trouble.

 

[kyleslamb]

I understand B1G's attraction to all the schools you list except BC.

Does Delaney really believe ND cares about BC?

I don't think he would take BC just to appease Notre Dame (though certainly if Notre Dame says they want BC to tag along, it would be a consideration). I think the hope is that if BC has enough interest to jack up leverage in the Boston DMA negotiations with cable companies, it's a big payday. The other thing BC has going for it as a secondary consideration is that the Big Ten is trying to strengthen its hockey league. That alone certainly wouldn't get BC an invite, but it does help.

 

[Brochacho]

CT is 43rd for population growth which is down there with Rhode Island, Vermont, and New Hampshire and Maine. The Demographics of the state get less desirable every year--concentrated yet declining older white wealth and increasingly younger less wealthy urban minority. All the BiG would really want is Fairfield County for ad revenue. The rest of the state is as desirable as Maine or Vermont.

You know what his means Boneyard. If you have less than 20 kids you might as well be a communist.

 

[RMoore1999]

I don't think he would take BC just to appease Notre Dame (though certainly if Notre Dame says they want BC to tag along, it would be a consideration). I think the hope is that if BC has enough interest to jack up leverage in the Boston DMA negotiations with cable companies, it's a big payday. The other thing BC has going for it as a secondary consideration is that the Big Ten is trying to strengthen its hockey league. That alone certainly wouldn't get BC an invite, but it does help.

I hope Delaney researches long and hard the ACC's experience with BC's impact on the Boston DMA prior to extending them an invite on that basis.

 

[UConn5]

Notre Dame doesn't care about BC at all, period. They would never make BC's membership a condition to their own.