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From someone who lives in NYC: not true, and UC gets a ton more play than Syracuse. Sure, you may have a few preppy alums wearing SU windbreakers on the train, but that doesn't count for crap.
What do you mean a ton more play? You're still just throwing out your own biased observations as proof. I'm saying UConn isn't a top 5 college athletic program in NYC and the defense on this site so far has been:
1) We're #2 or 3 in a few zip codes near Boston
2) Someone's son sees UConn hats near NYC
 
What do you mean a ton more play? You're still just throwing out your own biased observations as proof. I'm saying UConn isn't a top 5 college athletic program in NYC and the defense on this site so far has been:

1) We're #2 or 3 in a few zip codes near Boston - you are the clown who brought up the map and said "Show me on this map, a zip code within 50 miles of Boston, where UConn is a top 3 college team" - answewr was provided.
2) Someone's son sees UConn hats near NYC

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

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Not a top five football team in NYC. If they had a basketball map, then it would be different and you know it.
I agree with that. You wouldn't see Florida Basketball, Ohio State Basketball, Penn State Basketball, and Notre Dame Basketball. But Basketball doesn't drive the bus here.
 
I'm not sure what this proves. You have 150k fans in a 20m market? Is that your argument to the B10 and B12?

I'm not making an argument to B10/B12.

Keep kicking the can... first it was Top 3 football in NYC/MA, now it's Top 5 athletic program in NYC.
 
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I'm not making an argument to B10/B12.

Keep kicking the can... first it was Top 3 football in NYC, now it's Top 5 athletic program in NYC.
I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore. All I'm saying is UConn's presence in Boston and NYC is weak because they're pro sports towns, so for college fanbases to claim it as their territory is silly.
 
I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore. All I'm saying is UConn's presence in Boston and NYC is weak because they're pro sports towns, so for college fanbases to claim it as their territory is silly.
Shut up, already. More people care in both cities for UConn than at least most other schools around here.
 
I guess you see what you want to see... Saying you or your son or your spouse sees UConn hats on the subway or in the public restroom a few times a week doesn't make it 'UConn Country'. Ask any non UConn fan in Boston if it is UConn country and they'll laugh. Same with NYC. They are both pro sports towns so this is a meaningless argument to claim Boston and NYC as your home turf. If you went to UConn, or are from the Hartford area, most of the people you know are UConn fans, so your perspective is skewed. What about the other 99.99% of people that walk by you in your UConn sweatshirt and say nothing? Or the other 49 people on your subway car that barely know what UConn is?

People in Boston would laugh in your face if you suggested Boston was "Boston College Country". And they'd laugh in your face in NYC if you said NYC was "Syracuse Country".

Enough of your foolishness. UConn owns college sports between NYC and Boston the same way Syracuse owns the area between Utica and Rochester. Check the fan maps.
 
I'm not sure what this proves. You have 150k fans in a 20m market? Is that your argument to the B10 and B12?

You're not that quick.

It's the percentages that count, and Syracuse is behind UConn.
 
You're not that quick.

It's the percentages that count, and Syracuse is behind UConn.
I haven't mentioned Syracuse in this entire thread. I have never claimed Syracuse has a major presence in NYC.
 
People in Boston would laugh in your face if you suggested Boston was "Boston College Country". And they'd laugh in your face in NYC if you said NYC was "Syracuse Country".
Who suggested either of these?
Enough of your foolishness. UConn owns college sports between NYC and Boston the same way Syracuse owns the area between Utica and Rochester. Check the fan maps.
I agree with this.
 
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I guess you see what you want to see... Saying you or your son or your spouse sees UConn hats on the subway or in the public restroom a few times a week doesn't make it 'UConn Country'. Ask any non UConn fan in Boston if it is UConn country and they'll laugh. Same with NYC. They are both pro sports towns so this is a meaningless argument to claim Boston and NYC as your home turf. If you went to UConn, or are from the Hartford area, most of the people ze you know are UConn fans, so your perspective is skewed. What about the other 99.99% of people that walk by you in your UConn sweatshirt and say nothing? Or th other 49 people on your subway car that barely know what UConn is?

Well that is an odd reply considering how you started this little tangent. Remember? How you are in Fairfield sometimes and never see UCONN gear... Thus UCONN has no presence in these parts... Blah blah blah.

True story - I went to Syracuse one summer for a wedding. Did not see an Orangemen TShirt the entire weekend. Must not be an SU town?

You say you are not trolling? You say a bunch of stupid things to try to minimize the UCONN reach in its own home state, using the lazy argument that you never "see UCONN fans", and you expect not to be called a troll for it. OK.
 
Well that is an odd reply considering how you started this little tangent. Remember? How you are in Fairfield sometimes and never see UCONN gear... Thus UCONN has no presence in these parts... Blah blah blah.

True story - I went to Syracuse one summer for a wedding. Did not see an Orangemen TShirt the entire weekend. Must not be an SU town?

You say you are not trolling? You say a bunch of stupid things to try to minimize the UCONN reach in its own home state, using the lazy argument that you never "see UCONN fans", and you expect not to be called a troll for it. OK.
I jumped in this conversation when one poster said UConn has a larger TV market than Nebraska, WV, Kansas, Mississippi, etc.
 
True story - I went to Syracuse one summer for a wedding. Did not see an Orangemen TShirt the entire weekend. Must not be an SU town?
So not seeing a Cuse t-shirt at a wedding is equivalent to almost never seeing UConn gear over several years? Not sure that'd a great analogy. "I don't see any water outside my window, therefore there is no ocean."
 
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I live and work in Greenwich/Stamford/Norwalk and almost never see UConn gear. I go to Boston often, and same thing, almost no UConn gear.

All of those states you mentioned get more eyeballs on TVs. Hartford may be larger than Lincoln, NE, but there are far more Nebraskans, and people in neighboring states, watching Nebraska sports than Hartford residents watching UConn. UConn is a Hartford County fanbase.

I am trying hard not to be a d!k here. Are you drunk? Did I really need to quote this twice for you to see it?
 
So not seeing a Cuse t-shirt at a wedding is equivalent to almost never seeing UConn gear over several years? Not sure that'd a great analogy. "I don't see any water outside my window, therefore there is no ocean."

I think both statements are equally dumb. Mine was intentionally so... Yours?
 
People in Boston would laugh in your face if you suggested Boston was "Boston College Country". And they'd laugh in your face in NYC if you said NYC was "Syracuse Country".

Enough of your foolishness. UConn owns college sports between NYC and Boston .

Uconn's football interest in Massachusetts however stops around the Sturbridge, Ma. turnpike toll booths. BC football interest is a blimp on the radar screen in pro sports crazed Boston. Uconn hoops has an ok following... for college sports low levels anyway... in Boston and in Greater Boston. But Uconn football interest is essentially non existent in Boston and Greater Boston.... even less interest than that for Umass football as a matter of fact. Heck, Uconn football game day interest in Hartford, CT, is not much better ( perhaps worse ) that that of BC football game day interest in Boston at the moment... and BC has its worst football team this year in perhaps 40 years too. Uconn and BC have similar home game football attendance the last few years( BC is a bit higher.., but thats like saying that BC is the taller midget in the room)
 
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I live and work in Greenwich/Stamford/Norwalk and almost never see UConn gear. I go to Boston often, and same thing, almost no UConn gear.
I call out and out BS on the first comment. I live and work in Stamford (save four years of undergrad three and a half decades ago and another four years in the 1990's, I've lived here my entire, nearly 56 years) and I am stunned with the volume of UConn garb I see daily.

In the 60's & 70's you would seldom see anything. It really didn't start down here until the late 1980's but it had been building steadily until about a decade and a half ago but from then has exploded.

As far as Boston, I'm not there very often (a couple times a year) but I do spend a decent amount of time in a stretch from just east of Worcester through to the Lakes region of NH and in that stretch of land, UConn is represented as well as any school.

I'm not sure of what either means beyond the fact that you are a liar.
 
It's on you if you get upset or angry.

Show me on this map, a zip code within 50 miles of Boston, where UConn is a top 3 college team. Now do the same within 25 miles of NYC.
College Football Fan Map
Hey why don't you go to your Cuse board and spew your BS there! There are a bunch of us on here that actually LIVE in areas you claim not to be UConn territory and know otherwise! You are a turd Cuse troll who can't take the fact that your precious hoops coach has spit the bit in the NCAA tourney!
 
Not sure this is the definition of 'trolling'. Most of my comments here are about the greater college basketball landscape and NYC/Boston generalities. Every now and then I chime in when Syracuse is mentioned to offer my opinion. And my comments about UConn gear in the Northeast was simply my opinion, which is the main point of this message board. I said that knowing 99% of you would disagree, but I digress. Looking forward to 12/5.
You are a turd troll..go hang out with your Cuse friends !
 
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My point is, UConn is not even a top 5 college team in NYC.
I call BS on this too..BUT I'm gonna guess you haven't spent 1 day in a NYC inner city neighborhood!
 
Big 12 expansion momentum appears dead, and died because the Big 12 would rather have no schools than UConn. If the P5 league that is essentially on life support itself decided that it would rather do nothing than add UConn, the Huskies have their answer on whether they are a candidate for a P5 conference in the foreseeable future.

Doing nothing is a death sentence, so that is not an option. The athletic program can not financially support its current cost base with the revenue it is receiving. ESPN places almost no value on the AAC television content, so there is no point in continuing to sell it.

Trying to raid the MWC will likely be unsuccessful and wouldn't accomplish anything even if it happened. Putting San Diego State, BYU or Boise State in the AAC is just a version of moving deck chairs on the Titanic, and there is no reason for the western schools to do anything. I think the traditional conference structure does not bring a lot of value to UConn or many of the G5 schools.

That said, Boise and BYU's situation, with separate contracts from ESPN, shine a light into an alternative solution. It is evidence that for some G5 schools, and I would argue many of them, the value of the whole conference is significantly less than the sum of their individual parts. I would be surprised if almost every AAC school wouldn't be better off controlling its own content and selling it separately than they are selling their content as a group to ESPN. It could be argued that, at the very least, they don't have anything to lose by trying.

I also think the G5 schools should negotiate collectively with the networks for whatever national content they can produce. Finally, all the G5 conferences are a hodge podge of teams in overlapping geographies. It may make sense to consolidate scheduling within the conferences into a combination of Tiered and Regional scheduling. The top tier programs from the G5 should play each other more, but the schools should also not be locked into scheduling distant programs that have little rivalry value and are not marquee games for TV. You could even hold open dates at the end of the season to better match up the top tier G5 programs in marquee games.

I think the G5 schools should consolidate top tier content and negotiate collectively with TV for that content, while also leaving individual schools the ability to cut separate deals with local broadcasters. UConn has to come up with something if it wants to survive, and #begharder is not working.

Just saw this article from the Houston Chronicle stating that the AAC is going to ramp up the promotion of the P6. With so many teams from the AAC being named as possible B12 candidates coupled with past performance, I am hoping Mike Aresco's relationships and experience at ESPN and CBS Sports pays dividends.

Power Six? American Athletic Conference thinking big
 
I jumped in this conversation when one poster said UConn has a larger TV market than Nebraska, WV, Kansas, Mississippi, etc.
Um that's because they do. But I guess you know more than Nielsen? UConn resides in the 30th largest TV market in the country. A TV market that doesn't even cover the entire state despite the state being one of the smallest in the country, but I'm sure there are no UConn fans beyond the borders of the TV market, right? Even though UConn has a branch campus just over the NY-CT state line a whopping 30 miles from Manhattan. But, nope, no UConn anything in Fairfield County because EastCoater says so!

List of television stations in North America by media market - Wikipedia

You're welcome.
 
That postage stamp market you speak of is the 30th largest market in the country which means UConn's market is larger than most of the P5 schools' including the media markets that house Ohio State (#31), Texas (#39), and Alabama (#45) to name a few CFB name brands. In addition to its own media market, UConn has some penetration into the adjoining markets like NYC (#1), Boston (#8), and Providence (#52). UConn's market also covers some of the wealthiest in the nation. All in all there aren't too many flagship state universities, P5 or otherwise, that can offer the unique market that UConn does when you consider all of these factors.
... and that doesn't include FFC which accounts for another million people.... blah, blah, I've grown tired of doing remedial education for trolls. C'mon people at least bring your "A" game if you are going to come to the board

(Obviously, that wasn't aimed at you @HoopsFan21.)
 
I'm not sure what this proves. You have 150k fans in a 20m market? Is that your argument to the B10 and B12?
Lol, take a look at the 5.2% share and see if you can figure out the answer.


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If the Big XII doesn't expand, UConn's best remaining option is staying put due to neither the ACC or B1G expanding in the foreseeable future. This isn't going to be a death sentence to UCONN'S athletic department, it'll just be a little tight. We've all lived like that at one time. But when the Big XII inevitably implodes when Texas, Texas Tech, OU and OSU, UConn along with some other AAC members can combined with the lefts overs and be a pretty damn good conference. Better than the ACC at bare minimum
This is what I see happening if the B12 stands pat. What this will do, is allow UConn to get away from Tulsa, Tulane, and E. Carolina, which are the 3 schools in the AAC that scream "small time". When Texas and Oklahoma jump, a handful of B12 schools will get taken in. Possibly Kansas, and Ok St. That will leave 6 schools. Those 6 will join up with the 8 AAC schools that have some value (UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, and Cincy). That's a 14 team league that has quite a bit more heft than the AAC. If the other 4 P5 leagues tried to somehow demote them, there are enough schools there that have been at the top level, that demoting them would cause a big stink that will cause congress to stick it's nose in there, which is the very last thing the big football schools want. As a result, the playoff would be expanded to 8 teams, and the new league would have a seat at the table. Five conference champs, and three wild cards. There would be two divisions. UConn, Temple, Cincy, WVU, USF, UCF, and Memphis would be the eastern division, while the other 7 schools would be the west. Crossover play would be limited for non revenue sports, reducing travel. Baylor in the league would be a godsend for UConn women's hoops. The nBE sucks at women's hoops. Not the greatest solution, but would assure UConn a permanent seat at the big boy table.
 
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