So the offense doesn't work

[nelsonmuntz]

It is tough to admit that the offense is a bust two games into the season, but it is. Hurley has to adjust, because if UConn tries the offense it used for the last 80 minutes against Big East teams (or at least those not coached by Patrick Ewing), the Huskies may win 4-5 league games in total.

I think UConn NEEDS someone inside. Sanogo or Whaley is a start, but I will take anyone at this point. Martin and Jackson are welcome to post too. STOP GIVING THE CENTER THE BALL ABOVE THE 3 POINT LINE!!!!! Why does this keep happening?

I think UConn should run Polley and Jackson baseline for cross screens for the center, to hide behind the zone, and to pop out and shoot corner 3's. UConn could also play Bouk here and have Polley on the wing. Jackson is a good passer, so have him flash high, then attack from the high post or dump to the center.

10 minutes max of 3 of Bouk, Cole, Gaff, and Adams on the court at once. Small ball doesn't work. Those 4 should be sharing 90 minutes of playing time at the most, and Bouk is playing 30+ so the math gets simple for everyone else.

There needs to be movement. Flex, Attack, Motion, Princeton, I don't care. Run the picket fence or some of those other plays from yesteryear, just don't have 5 statues outside the 3 point line. Wings need to track behind the post for kickouts. Make the perimeter defenders commit instead of covering two people while standing in place like UHa was doing tonight.

Let's hear some other thoughts. There are no bad ideas, other than what UConn did against Central and Hartford.

 

[Ajs120102]

They scored 102 points 2 days ago.

 

[WeAreUCONN]

They scored 102 points in the first game. Maybe you were sleeping. Tonight was a lack of practice time and chemistry.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

They scored 102 points 2 days ago.

Would you say that Central Connecticut State University's men's basketball team is better or worse than the teams UConn will be playing in its conference schedule?

 

[Ajs120102]

Would you say that Central Connecticut State University's men's basketball team is better or worse than the teams UConn will be playing in its conference schedule?

No but it’s still 102 points. That’s not nothing. It was one bad day.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It's November in a historically unprecedented season where they've barely practiced and no one has any idea from one day to the next whether they're going to play their next game. The rotation is way too big and they have multiple guys they're trying to integrate on the fly. It seems a little premature to proclaim something broken at this point.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

It's November in a historically unprecedented season where they've barely practiced and no one has any idea from one day to the next whether they're going to play their next game. The rotation is way too big and they have multiple guys they're trying to integrate on the fly. It seems a little premature to proclaim something broken at this point.

I will try it a different way. THIS offense does not work. I don't think more practice is going to make it significantly better.

 

[UCfor3]

I will try it a different way. THIS offense does not work. I don't think more practice is going to make it significantly better.

You don't think it will work. What does Dan Hurley think? I tend to think that is more important. Too early to panic or draw any long lasting conclusions.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You don't think it will work. What does Dan Hurley think? I tend to think that is more important. Too early to panic or draw any long lasting conclusions.

Let's see. There are two threads on this board over the last two days totaling 9 pages where I point out all the problems with the small ball, 4 and 5 out offense, and then tonight, every single one of the issues I raised was a problem.

Either I am a genius, or these problems are obvious and need to be addressed. Which do you prefer?

 

[UCfor3]

Let's see. There are two threads on this board over the last two days totaling 9 pages where I point out all the problems with the small ball, 4 and 5 out offense, and then tonight, every single one of the issues I raised was a problem.

Either I am a genius, or these problems are obvious and need to be addressed. Which do you prefer?
So are the choices you are a genius or you are right? Option C: It's early and you are a passionate UConn fan but might be slightly dramatic after a couple of cupcake games that were not as dominant as your offseason expectations. We are a work in progress with talent. Gonzaga was on another channel.

 

[RipCity]

I will try it a different way. THIS offense does not work. I don't think more practice is going to make it significantly better.

I’ll try it a different way. The guy who acts like a know it all all year long doesn’t like how the mens team played in a tune up game.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The 5 out, small ball offense doesn't really work anywhere for any team.

Take the NBA. A few teams, like the Milwaukee Bucks, got away with it for a while because they were so much more talented than their opponents, but in a 7 game series against a decent opponent like the Heat, they were easy to shut down. Toronto was beating Boston on great play by Ibaka and Gasol, then they went small at crunch time against the Celtics and lost. Now Ibaka and Gasol are gone, and the Raptors will be a mid-40's win team going forward.

This offense is easy to stop even by less talented teams. It will not work.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I’ll try it a different way. The guy who acts like a know it all all year long doesn’t like how the mens team played in a tune up game.

I am trying to have an X's and O's conversation. There are plenty of other threads where you can make random insults.

 

[Balker]

I think the foul trouble and stoppage of the game was disruptive to the flow of the team tonight on offense.

Beyond that, I agree Sanogo and Akok will eventually need to play a bigger role, and Bouk and Cole need to play better together. I don't see a problem here though. I see a good team, that can be great, and a coach that is actively figuring it out.

 

[Scot-e]

Two games in with almost no practice and our team offense is not fixable? Give it a rest and enjoy watching the team come together like the rest of us.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think the foul trouble and stoppage of the game was disruptive to the flow of the team tonight on offense.

Beyond that, I agree Sanogo and Akok will eventually need to play a bigger role, and Bouk and Cole need to play better together. I don't see a problem here though. I see a good team, that can be great, and a coach that is actively figuring it out.

We have good penetrators, but penetration is harder in a 4 or 5 offense out because it is easy to fill the gaps on defense. Penetrators need isolation and room to move, or a screen to get them started.

 

[UCfor3]

It's possible you are overreacting to an early season game and drawing some overly dramatic conclusions. Maybe a little confirmation bias going on here. Look, it hasn't been a mona lisa. Still no reason to have a fit and draw lasting conclusions and proclaim how right you are after 2 games. You are shouting into your own echo chamber. Let's let this thing play out a little. There will be ebbs and flows.

 

[Huskyforlife]

The 5 out, small ball offense doesn't really work anywhere for any team.

Take the NBA. A few teams, like the Milwaukee Bucks, got away with it for a while because they were so much more talented than their opponents, but in a 7 game series against a decent opponent like the Heat, they were easy to shut down. Toronto was beating Boston on great play by Ibaka and Gasol, then they went small at crunch time against the Celtics and lost. Now Ibaka and Gasol are gone, and the Raptors will be a mid-40's win team going forward.

This offense is easy to stop even by less talented teams. It will not work.

We. Don't. Play. 5. Out.

 

[Psolo12]

We. Don't. Play. 5. Out.

Yeah I’m not sure what on earth he’s talking about. Acting like an X’s and O’s Guru but doesn’t know that we don’t run a 5 out offense.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Watch any 10 minutes of the replay of the Louisville/Seton Hall game if you want to see what two very good offenses look like. The spacing was incredible. There were driving lanes, ball screens, back screens and slip screens, excellent passing, and both teams got a lot of good looks despite I thought pretty good defense.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yeah I’m not sure what on earth he’s talking about. Acting like an X’s and O’s Guru but doesn’t know that we don’t run a 5 out offense.

You like to tell everyone how stupid they are. Why don't you add something to the board? Tell me what the offense is doing and should be doing.

 

[Psolo12]

You like to tell everyone how stupid they are. Why don't you add something to the board? Tell me what the offense is doing and should be doing.

Not everyone, just you.

 

[BlueDogs]

Dan Hurley must see something we don’t. It’s the same general offensive scheme as the last two years. Take a few possessions and focus on off-the-ball player movement. Positionally, offensive rebounding is a challenge with players hanging around the 3 line, and for shot selection it’s either take it to the rim or pop a 3. There is virtually no mid-range scoring.

 

[superjohn]

Yeah I’m not sure what on earth he’s talking about. Acting like an X’s and O’s Guru but doesn’t know that we don’t run a 5 out offense.

He has no clue what he's watching, doesn't even know the offensive and defensive schemes being run yet creates threads and pollutes the game threads talking about how Hurley and basically all coaches don't know how to run offense.

 

[Psolo12]

Dan Hurley must see something we don’t. It’s the same general offensive scheme as the last two years. Take a few possessions and focus on off-the-ball player movement. Positionally, offensive rebounding is a challenge with players hanging around the 3 line, and for shot selection it’s either take it to the rim or pop a 3. There is virtually no mid-range scoring.

Mid range scoring is not a priority what so ever, and is dying all throughout basketball. Why would we emphasize that?

 

[Fishy]

You like to tell everyone how stupid they are. Why don't you add something to the board? Tell me what the offense is doing and should be doing.

When you come on, two games into the season, and claim that the offense is a bust a few days after it scored 102 points, you basically just need to stop posting forever.

Like, not even one more. The contents of your head are just not good enough to share with the world.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Dan Hurley must see something we don’t. It’s the same general offensive scheme as the last two years. Take a few possessions and focus on off-the-ball player movement. Positionally, offensive rebounding is a challenge with players hanging around the 3 line, and for shot selection it’s either take it to the rim or pop a 3. There is virtually no mid-range scoring.

Agree 100%. And getting from 20 feet out to the tin is hard because the help D is going to come, so the penetration really needs to be to pass. I think the players are looking to pass when they drive, but the offense is not set up to give them a lot of options.

Look at when Gonzaga drives. There are 2 to 3 options for the guard every time, and a lot of those drives end in dump offs for dunks or layups. We got a few of those against Central, but the are not going to be there against the better defenses.

 

[UCfor3]

Watch any 10 minutes of the replay of the Louisville/Seton Hall game if you want to see what two very good offenses look like. The spacing was incredible. There were driving lanes, ball screens, back screens and slip screens, excellent passing, and both teams got a lot of good looks despite I thought pretty good defense.

Why stop there. Im pissed we didnt look like Gozaga. You should have applied when KFree did. Rememher last year when we kind of stunk and then found our footing and were playing great when things stopped? We have way more talent this year. Much of it is new though. It may take more than 2 games to to integrate and find our footing, especially considering everything going on in the world and within the program recently.

 

[RipCity]

I am trying to have an X's and O's conversation. There are plenty of other threads where you can make random insults.

You’re trying to trend off of one data point and the only other is very contradictive to it. Tonight wasn’t great, but to say the offense doesn’t work is an overreaction. I don’t think there will be many games when there is nobody who can hit a 3 for 15 straight minutes. As for the insult, sorry I was just poking fun

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Mid range scoring is not a priority what so ever, and is dying all throughout basketball. Why would we emphasize that?

Do you ever pass up a chance to be a jerk? If you don't like the thread, don't post in it.