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upstater said:
They got the same exact punishment that Syracuse did. only Syracuse was doling out $$ and not only messing with eligibility. AND, Syracuse's postseason penalty was a joke.

If it's true that SMU is being hammered for illegally making one player eligible, versus the decade+ of many many many underhanded acts at Syracuse, AND SMU receives a harsher punishment (in terms of postseason play) then this is a perfect example of NCAA favoritism and imbalance.

The only factor otherwise is that Larry Brown is a 3-time offender--so schools should watch out hiring these types.
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Might be time for leagues like ours to make a stink. Problem is you want the schools to be treated fairly by you're stuck "defending" the wrong kinda guy.
 
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gwhuskyfan said:
Interesting scenario here...

Seth Greenberg‏@SethOnHoops
Scenario. SMU seniors Moore Tolbert and Kennedy withdraw and enroll in an institution that is on quarters and had yet to begin classes
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Bang! Damage the team and the league by implementing a post season ban. Coach takes a few weeks off. Great job by the NCAA.
 
Syracuse got the same penalty for covering up over a decade of cheating. UNC hasn't even been penalized yet (and probably won't be) for violations far worse than Syracuse or SMU. I'd say that if SMU wants to appeal this to somebody and point at the extreme double standard of the NCAA, they'd have some sort of an argument.
 
Dooley said:
Syracuse got the same penalty for covering up over a decade of cheating. UNC hasn't even been penalized yet (and probably won't be) for violations far worse than Syracuse or SMU. I'd say that if SMU wants to appeal this to somebody and point at the extreme double standard of the NCAA, they'd have some sort of an argument.
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Syracuse's ban was far less impactful since they knew they were unlikely to make the field when the ban was imposed. SMU was not planning on missing the tournament this year.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
Syracuse's ban was far less impactful since they knew they were unlikely to make the field when the ban was imposed. SMU was not planning on missing the tournament this year.
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Exactly. It would be like our football team choosing 2014 to self-impose a postseason ban on itself after week 10 of the season. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
A former assistant men’s basketball coach encouraged a student-athlete to enroll in an online course to meet NCAA initial eligibility standards and be admitted to the university. After he enrolled in the course, a former men’s basketball administrative assistant obtained the student’s username and password then completed all of his coursework. The student-athlete received fraudulent credit for the course and, as a result, competed while ineligible during his freshman season. When speaking with NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete admitted that the former administrative assistant asked him to provide false information during the interview. In its decision, the panel noted it is very troubled that academic advising was administered by athletics staff.

The former administrative assistant violated NCAA’s ethical conduct rules when she provided false information during her interviews and attempted to influence a student-athlete to provide false information during his interview. The administrative assistant initially cooperated with the investigation, but later ended the second interview early, refused to provide documentation and denied additional interview requests.

While the university noted the head basketball coach received rules education, the panel noted it did not see a record of steps the he took to establish and ensure a culture of compliance within his program. Although the head basketball coach did not have direct knowledge or involvement in the misconduct, he did not follow up on the completion of coursework. Upon learning of the misconduct in 2014, the head basketball coach did not report it to the compliance staff, conference office or enforcement staff for more than a month. When asked by the NCAA enforcement staff about the potential violations, the head basketball coach initially denied having any information about the conversations with the former administrative assistant and student-athlete.

The head basketball coach failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance within his program. He failed to report the violations when the former administrative assistant committed academic fraud on behalf of the student-athlete and he initially lied to enforcement staff about his knowledge of the potential violations.

http://www.ncaa.org/smu-commits-men-s-basketball-and-golf-violations
 
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Is anyone seriously surprised by this?
 
mauconnfan said:
LOL, how is the UNC scandal being swept under while this is so similar? Where's the ban on Roy? Such BS
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UNC is far worse.

If I am SMU, I follow the UNC playbook by announcing that the problem was more severe than the NCAA discovered and accordingly any sanction would be premature. I would expect the preliminary results of that investigation to be released in May.

Does it bother than anyone else that UConn following the rules but having struggling kids transfer resulted in a one year sanction, but other schools who got caught trying to cheat get.... a one year ban? WTF?

I hate -king NCAA and their blatant bias for some programs.
 
CL82 said:
UNC is far worse.

If I am SMU, I follow the UNC playbook by announcing that the problem was more severe than the NCAA discovered and accordingly any sanction would be premature. I would expect the preliminary results of that investigation to be released in May.

Does it bother than anyone else that UConn following the rules but having struggling kids transfer resulted in a one year sanction, but other schools who got caught trying to cheat get.... a one year ban? WTF?

I hate -king NCAA and their blatant bias for some programs.
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Its completely enraging, and the braindead fans of other teams have the nerve to consider UConn a 'tarnished' program for those penalties... its insanity
 
There are still morons out there that think UConn is a bad academic school because of that stupid APR ban. You know, the same silly APR metric that Oklahoma St football successfully manipulated by re-enrolling a player from the fracking 90s to meet the absolute bare minimum score (and avoid an APR ban).

Mark Emmert is slime.
 
Is this player Keith Frazier?

tcf15 said:
A former assistant men’s basketball coach encouraged a student-athlete to enroll in an online course to meet NCAA initial eligibility standards and be admitted to the university. After he enrolled in the course, a former men’s basketball administrative assistant obtained the student’s username and password then completed all of his coursework. The student-athlete received fraudulent credit for the course and, as a result, competed while ineligible during his freshman season. When speaking with NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete admitted that the former administrative assistant asked him to provide false information during the interview. In its decision, the panel noted it is very troubled that academic advising was administered by athletics staff.

The former administrative assistant violated NCAA’s ethical conduct rules when she provided false information during her interviews and attempted to influence a student-athlete to provide false information during his interview. The administrative assistant initially cooperated with the investigation, but later ended the second interview early, refused to provide documentation and denied additional interview requests.

While the university noted the head basketball coach received rules education, the panel noted it did not see a record of steps the he took to establish and ensure a culture of compliance within his program. Although the head basketball coach did not have direct knowledge or involvement in the misconduct, he did not follow up on the completion of coursework. Upon learning of the misconduct in 2014, the head basketball coach did not report it to the compliance staff, conference office or enforcement staff for more than a month. When asked by the NCAA enforcement staff about the potential violations, the head basketball coach initially denied having any information about the conversations with the former administrative assistant and student-athlete.

The head basketball coach failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance within his program. He failed to report the violations when the former administrative assistant committed academic fraud on behalf of the student-athlete and he initially lied to enforcement staff about his knowledge of the potential violations.

http://www.ncaa.org/smu-commits-men-s-basketball-and-golf-violations
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UNC had 20 years of courses with a very high percentage of athletes in them strictly to keep and remain eligible for play. Yes other students could get in them, but they were created for the express purpose. They were paper only courses where the papers were written for them. How is it possible with an academic advisor for Roy not to know what his players are taking or what their academic risk is for eligibility? The only answer is that he purposely asked not to be in that loop. Does KO know what's going on academically with his 10 best players? Of course. He knows their major and what they take, and how they are doing GPA wise semester to semester from meeting with the academic advisor OFTEN. I hear Roy will be spared , and the women's team will be hit harder. Shouldn't their decision be at any time?
 
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tcf15 said:
I think so, and the former coach is Ulric Maligi.
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"The penalties stem from an NCAA investigation into whether former SMU assistant Ulric Maligi and a former basketball administrator helped ex-McDonald's All-American Keith Frazier with the coursework he needed to become eligible to play for the Mustangs.

The NCAA found that an SMU assistant encouraged Frazier to enroll in an online course necessary for him to meet initial eligibility standards to be admitted to the university. Then the administrative assistant obtained Frazier's username and password and completed his coursework, enabling him to play for the Mustangs as a freshman during the 2013-14 season."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...brown--ban-smu-from-postseason-143123704.html
 
Not surprised. SMU as an athletic department and Larry Brown have had so many issues with the NCAA over the years. Not shocked at all...
 
tcf15 said:
Yeah, I've been saying for a while now that Syracuse's penalties were much harsher than people were making them out to be, but these SMU penalties are a little extreme. I wasn't really paying any attention the entire process, but I wasn't expecting a post-season ban.

Silver lining is that this makes the AAC tournament a little easier for us.
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In the light of the UConn Ban, for an offense that's actually much less severe.
Cuses ban was less severe. For violations grossly more flagrant.
If UConn's ban was identical.
(Keep in mind we already were being penalized for an awful APR in 2008 by loss of scholarship. Plus we lost Scholarships from the Nate Miles fiasco. So our numbers from 2008 2013 are about the same as theirs.)
We essentially were punished again when they rolled out a new punishmement of a four year average that included 2008. Remember if they included the current year
That year would have been dropped from the moving average.
we would have complied. It was essential that the NCAA go back somehow to 2008. Even though our APR improved in the next three years. It wasn't enough to offset that awful year.
Let's look at the way our punishment rolled out
We would have been suspended for Drummonds freshman year. A year were JC was ill and the team although hugely talented underachieved.
JC steps down KO takes over
It would have been over.
(My personal opinion is that the APR ban was made up specifically to punish Jim Calhoun for getting around the scholarship ban by getting Drummond to walk on.
It was a personal vendetta.)
No one would have been allowed to transfer . Without sitting out a year.
Would Drummond declare if we were eligible his sophomore year?
Would Lamb declare ?

Even if they did we would have had a much better team in 2013 ,played in the last Big East tournament and made some noise in the NCAA's.
Recruiting was impacted over the course of a couple of years
Most importantly ,the UConn story for every game for a three year period was:
1They will be suspended next year. Everyone is deserting the ship.
2They are playing for nothing
3 There team was decimemated by last year's punishment. UConn will never recover.
4. Through in the breakup of our conference
Cuse has lost scholies and last year disaster came and went.
I think one senior was thrown under the bus for the good of the Fruit.
Does that seem like equity.
 
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No, you guys don't understand. North Carolina is being punished by banning SMU and taking scholarships away.
 
Rules have always been an annoyance to Larry, won't be surprised if he retires before the season starts.
 
CallMeBruce said:
This "joke" is repeated 4 or 5 times on every page about NCAA sanctions, and it hasn't been funny once.
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Disagree. I'm sure it was funny once, not in this thread, but if you go back far enough, it probably was hysterical.
 
Brown, Boehiem, Williams and Calipari all deserve the Kelvin Sanction type punishment.
 
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