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Sid Wilson (UConn Wants Him to Reclassify to '17)

auror said:
From 3. We're 315th/351st in the country and (small sample sizes but) Larrier and Gilbert were both below our current average.
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I think Jalen will be fine when he can play less total minutes and less minutes as the 1. Vance has gone up significantly even as Jalen has gone down. The big problem with the abysmal ranking has been Rodney who is shooting .288 with 118 attempts and Christian Vital who is only marginally better with 69 attempts and .290 average. At least two among among Jalen, Christian, Terry and Alterique and MAL are going to have to significantly improve next year and Vance will have to maintain his recent performance.
 
auror said:
I hear your point, but it's a lot of "I bet"s and "hopefully"s. We're not going from average to good, we'd be going from abysmal to bad if those guys make marginal improvements. We need big improvements from everybody. Adams' reliability has waned the last few games (arbitrary end point but I just grabbed his last 6 games and he's 33% in that span which would be 250th if it were the team's 3pt%). but you're right he'll still probably keep defenses honest.

The other point is about replication of skills. We definitely need a defending and rebounding big. But I don't think we really need another slasher because we've got 4 slashers already. We need a guy the slashers can kick out to keep the offense balanced and the spacing good for the slashers.
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Given the choice between a three point shooter and a slasher, yeah, I'd take the shooter. My point is that I don't think things are so dire that we need to optimize our recruiting to fill a need. Take the best player available, because things like three point shooting - with as much turnover as there is in college basketball - are fickle. I don't think Purvis will continue to shoot <30% from three, but if he does, merely taking those seven threes per game out of the sample and replacing them with a 35-40% guy makes the entire team far more representative.

I'm not downplaying it as something that shouldn't be addressed - scouring the grad market for a sniper should be among the top priorities for the staff this off-season.

But the irony is that a guy like Vance Jackson - the freshman version, that is - is exactly the recruit this board wants to add to next years version, and we have a perfect case study in this years Vance to show how freshman shooters are rarely the guys to transform a team. You don't want to trick yourself into filling a one year need with a freshman when freshman are, by design, supposed to fill four year needs because they probably aren't good enough to fill a need in their first year.
 
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Latest from TOS now says that we're working really hard to get him in 2017, and that if he does reclassify it'll be between us and Texas.

I'm kind of surprised since I think we need another shooter more than we need another athletic wing, but hell, I'll never complain about landing a top 75 player, especially if it keeps our NYC pipeline open.
 
Really cool of Evans to spend some time on the board and answer all of those questions.
 
Matrim55 said:
Latest from TOS now says that we're working really hard to get him in 2017, and that if he does reclassify it'll be between us and Texas.

I'm kind of surprised since I think we need another shooter more than we need another athletic wing, but hell, I'll never complain about landing a top 75 player, especially if it keeps our NYC pipeline open.
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Sid Wilson is a sick athlete. The only big time athlete we have on the wing is Larrier and he's coming off a torn ACL. Would also like another shooter but Vance is a big time shooter, Jalen can shoot it and my guess is Vital's shot will improve. Really hope we get Wilson for next season, MAL must also be working on him.
 
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Matrim55 said:
Latest from TOS now says that we're working really hard to get him in 2017, and that if he does reclassify it'll be between us and Texas.

I'm kind of surprised since I think we need another shooter more than we need another athletic wing, but hell, I'll never complain about landing a top 75 player, especially if it keeps our NYC pipeline open.
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What athletic wing we got?
 
superjohn said:
Sid Wilson is a sick athlete. The only big time athlete we have on the wing is Larrier and he's coming off a torn ACL. Would also like another shooter but Vance is a big time shooter, Jalen can shoot it and my guess is Vital's shot will improve. Really hope we get Wilson for next season, MAL must also be working on him.
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Fair points. Polley really does look more like a smooth, fluid athlete than an explosive one, while Wilson is nearly at Diallo's level in terms of getting off the floor. Really more of a 3/4 than a 2/3, but I'm good with that if the coaches are.

uchusky32 said:
What athletic wing we got?
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Larrier. But I'm not a huge believer that athletic wings are as important, in the college game, as knockdown shooters, so I'd prioritize the second over the first.
 
Matrim55 said:
Fair points. Polley really does look more like a smooth, fluid athlete than an explosive one, while Wilson is nearly at Diallo's level in terms of getting off the floor. Really more of a 3/4 than a 2/3, but I'm good with that if the coaches are.


Larrier. But I'm not a huge believer that athletic wings are as important, in the college game, as knockdown shooters, so I'd prioritize the second over the first.
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He's hurt and basically hasn't played in 2 years. Dude from NC State look real athletic.
 
superjohn said:
Sid Wilson is a sick athlete. The only big time athlete we have on the wing is Larrier and he's coming off a torn ACL. Would also like another shooter but Vance is a big time shooter, Jalen can shoot it and my guess is Vital's shot will improve. Really hope we get Wilson for next season, MAL must also be working on him.
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I understand what you are saying but I also consider Alterique to be a big time athlete. Has a 40+ inch vertical and is probably one of the fastest guys in all of college, he is also built like a running back.

And I also hope we get Wilson.
 
AfgHusky15 said:
I understand what you are saying but I also consider Alterique to be a big time athlete. Has a 40+ inch vertical and is probably one of the fastest guys in all of college, he is also built like a running back.

And I also hope we get Wilson.
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Alterique is but he's a 5'9 point, was only talking wings.
 
If you have 5 athletes, you can play a very disruptive defense. Maybe we're prioritizing defense ahead of offense.
 
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I think if you have two guys (among PG, SG, SF) who can penetrate or a big that can score inside (and pass a little), those guys will lead to the defense collapsing. In those cases, you can get away with having guys who are good spot-up shooters out on the arc. But you need at least two of them to really spread the defense and make it move. Note that one of the penetrators can also be one of the shooters. If the defense just has to find the one good shooter after collapsing, they will get to him by staying on him or rotating to him. The next pass (if the first gets to the good shooter) will end up in the hands of someone looking to drive (into an already collapsed D) or to a low percentage shooter - which works into the hands of the defense. Opposing coaches will be happy if 25-30% shooters are firing up 3's all day.

The Bazz/Boat team had two good penetrators and enough good shooters to make teams pay that collapsed. Ditto with Kemba's '11 team. And the '04 team had inside scoring, penetrators, and shooters.

We'd probably be better off if Purvis was doing most of the penetrating - given his season-long shooting slump. The problem with that is that he doesn't finish well and isn't a good passer (or frequent passer) when he does penetrate. The other problem is that Jalen and Vance both need to shoot well from 3 (>35% consistently) to keep the offense scoring. Vance has been pretty consistent of late, but both guys have been streaky. Well, not "RP streaky", but still. :)

Given where we are, I'd dedicate the rest of the season into developing Enoch and/or Durham on the offensive end, and try to add a good spot-up shooter for next year (Rashad-type recruit, JC guy, or grad transfer). If either of the bigs (probably Enoch) can become a post threat, next year's squad can have the mix of penetrators (AG, MAL, JA if he stays), shooters (VJ, JA, new guy), and an inside scorer to be very successful. Larrier, AG, and CV should all become good enough shooters to be positives in this style of play.

The other way to go is to recruit freak athletes a la Wilson, but the style of play needs to change to a more up tempo, pressing, run all day kind of team. But MAL is the only guy coming in as of now that fits that mold. Larrier returning would also. A lineup with Larrier at the 4, Wilson at the 3 with any combo of the guards could play that style. The problem is that the bench will not fit the style of play all that well with guys like Polley, Carlton, Durham/Enoch and Vance.
 
ConnEd said:
Given where we are, I'd dedicate the rest of the season into developing Enoch and/or Durham on the offensive end, and try to add a good spot-up shooter for next year (Rashad-type recruit, JC guy, or grad transfer). If either of the bigs (probably Enoch) can become a post threat, next year's squad can have the mix of penetrators (AG, MAL, JA if he stays), shooters (VJ, JA, new guy), and an inside scorer to be very successful. Larrier, AG, and CV should all become good enough shooters to be positives in this style of play.

The other way to go is to recruit freak athletes a la Wilson, but the style of play needs to change to a more up tempo, pressing, run all day kind of team. But MAL is the only guy coming in as of now that fits that mold. Larrier returning would also. A lineup with Larrier at the 4, Wilson at the 3 with any combo of the guards could play that style. The problem is that the bench will not fit the style of play all that well with guys like Polley, Carlton, Durham/Enoch and Vance.
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Great Post all around!!! I agree DEVELOP Enoch and Durham!!! And we need a spot up shooter. I would like an athletic wing as well. We have the spots open. Hope KO never sits on ships again - some of us were screaming from the mountaintops to get a 5th year guy with beef!!
 
Just an open question as to who has seen Wilson play a game in person, and can say he showed talent that you would project as being impactful at UConn as freshman or soph, even on an occasion. I have only caught 2 Brewster games, but if I didn't know his ranking, I wouldn't have guessed it. I'm not down on the kid because I know my sample size is small, but he didn't make shots a la Purvis, didn't impact the game with his reported athleticism (or even show it relative to other kids), didn't handle any better than Purvis, and is very very slight. I had a hard time convincing myself he wasn't more like 6'4 to 6'5. On the upside, like Purvis he did score some, he took several foul line jumpers that he didn't make, but, the fact that he took several may mean that is usually a higher percentage shot for him. I see him as as raw a wing as Carlton is a center. I'd love somebody to tell me they have seen him play with impact so I can root for this 2017 commitment.

Alternatively, if anybody knows that MAL is working hard on him because he thinks the kid is great addition, I'll take that endorsement.

For what it's worth, when I watch highly rated guards and wings, over a 2 game stretch, there is usually at least 1 wow moment, regardless of other weaknesses in their games. I haven't seen that yet.
 
Quite frankly, I haven't developed a personal view on it - but it seems we have been recruiting a lot of guys with injury issues from HS - Gilbert and Durham come to mind.
 
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Ricker said:
Just an open question as to who has seen Wilson play a game in person, and can say he showed talent that you would project as being impactful at UConn as freshman or soph, even on an occasion. I have only caught 2 Brewster games, but if I didn't know his ranking, I wouldn't have guessed it. I'm not down on the kid because I know my sample size is small, but he didn't make shots a la Purvis, didn't impact the game with his reported athleticism (or even show it relative to other kids), didn't handle any better than Purvis, and is very very slight. I had a hard time convincing myself he wasn't more like 6'4 to 6'5. On the upside, like Purvis he did score some, he took several foul line jumpers that he didn't make, but, the fact that he took several may mean that is usually a higher percentage shot for him. I see him as as raw a wing as Carlton is a center. I'd love somebody to tell me they have seen him play with impact so I can root for this 2017 commitment.

Alternatively, if anybody knows that MAL is working hard on him because he thinks the kid is great addition, I'll take that endorsement.

For what it's worth, when I watch highly rated guards and wings, over a 2 game stretch, there is usually at least 1 wow moment, regardless of other weaknesses in their games. I haven't seen that yet.
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Interesting. My question is, how many lengthy, supposedly athletic forwards do we need? Don't get me wrong, if there is top talent from 2018 that we can get to reclassify to our underwhelming 2017 class and strengthen it, it's a great move. But it would just be nice to see us go after a player with a different skill set to bring some diversity to our "length and awkward athleticism," like an Arcidiacono type.
 
King Husky said:
Interesting. My question is, how many lengthy, supposedly athletic forwards do we need? Don't get me wrong, if there is top talent from 2018 that we can get to reclassify to our underwhelming 2017 class and strengthen it, it's a great move. But it would just be nice to see us go after a player with a different skill set to bring some diversity to our "length and awkward athleticism," like an Arcidiacono type.
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We have one lengthy, athletic forward, who happened to tear his ACL this year... so getting another one in a weak 2017 class only boosts the potential of that class.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly, I haven't developed a personal view on it - but it seems we have been recruiting a lot of guys with injury issues from HS - Gilbert and Durham come to mind.
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Gilbert you can't pass on, too good. And Durham, c'mon great kid who committed prior to his 2nd tear, do you want him to "Edsall" the kid? Luck (or unluck) of the draw here I'm afraid Chief.
 
King Husky said:
Interesting. My question is, how many lengthy, supposedly athletic forwards do we need? Don't get me wrong, if there is top talent from 2018 that we can get to reclassify to our underwhelming 2017 class and strengthen it, it's a great move. But it would just be nice to see us go after a player with a different skill set to bring some diversity to our "length and awkward athleticism," like an Arcidiacono type.
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As pointed out, as of now we only have 1 and he's coming off a torn ACL and hasn't played in two years.
 
Huskyforlife said:
We have one lengthy, athletic forward, who happened to tear his ACL this year... so getting another one in a weak 2017 class only boosts the potential of that class.
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I consider Vance and Larrier to both be tall/long players at the SF position. They can't play smaller than a 3, but can go to 4. We also have Durham at the 4 who is insanely long, and Polley who will play the 4, maybe even 3. So having him reclassify is great for us, but we seem a bit saturated there.

But forget about positional classifications. My bigger point is that the majority of our players tend to have the primary attribute of "length," and it seems like the playing style can just get awkward if there isn't some diversity. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
King Husky said:
I consider Vance and Larrier to both be tall/long players at the SF position. They can't play smaller than a 3, but can go to 4. We also have Durham at the 4 who is insanely long, and Polley who will play the 4, maybe even 3. So having him reclassify is great for us, but we seem a bit saturated there.

But forget about positional classifications. My bigger point is that the majority of our players tend to have the primary attribute of "length," and it seems like the playing style can just get awkward if there isn't some diversity. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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I'm not sure of anyone's wingspan but Larrier, Adams, and Gilbert are the only above Average athletes on our squad, and two of three are question marks going forward. So getting another guy who can run the break, slash, and have great defensive potential could be a huge boost and insurance against the worst case scenario.
 
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