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Should seniors get another year of eligibility?

msf22b said:
In this unique circumstance, with athletes who have been shortchanged,
it is natural that proposals like this circulate and are momentarily contemplated...

But after cooler minds examine it and the litany of negative, unintended consequences,
it will pass.

Wisely.
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I doubt it. It's a ridiculous idea !
 
chrissaran said:
Geno was not referring to spring sports. What a shame that Oregon doesn't get a chance to play for the NC. After All Sabrina accomplished, I'm sure she wanted to win the NC. They would have been the favorites.
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Yea too bad.
 
tower1 said:
NO! I think it is a ridiculous idea. This would change college sports for years to come. Why would Geno bring this up it doesn't help Uconn at all. Who do we have that is going to help this team next year ? He is only helping other teams that don't give a damn about Uconn. He needs to start thinking about his own team more now days.
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Just think if Sabrina still felt she had "unfinished business: and stayed another year. Not only would her record become impossible to break, if NCAA had "image and likeness" approved, I am sure she'd make more from that #20 jersey staying in Oregon and playing the tourney next year than going to the WNBA. With those 7 McDonald AAs along with Sabrina conducting, who would stop them.
 
chrissaran said:
Geno was not referring to spring sports. What a shame that Oregon doesn't get a chance to play for the NC. After All Sabrina accomplished, I'm sure she wanted to win the NC. They would have been the favorites.
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Yes it took a pandemic for her not to win it this year.
 
EricLA said:
Regardless, I'm 100% opposed to the idea of granting an extra year to any senior who wants it. Normally I agree with Geno, but he's flat out wrong on this.
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I can't read Geno's mind but I think this was more of an emotional response for his seniors than he wanting to grant the basketball seniors an extra year.
 
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msf22b said:
In this unique circumstance, with athletes who have been shortchanged,
it is natural that proposals like this circulate and are momentarily contemplated...

But after cooler minds examine it and the litany of negative, unintended consequences,
it will pass.

Wisely.
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tower1 said:
I doubt it. It's a ridiculous idea !
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If you re-read msf's post you just might find that he agrees with you!
 
Centerstream said:
I saw where Jessica Shepard has already asked for a waiver to get a "5th" year of eligibility due to the pandemic. :):eek::rolleyes:
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It's uninformed and half-truth posts like this that really get under my skin. Jessica Shepard did not ask for a waiver to get a "5th" year of eligibility. That's preposterous. Especially since the NCAA reached out and offered Jessica a "5th" year of eligibility without her even asking. So stop with the crazy talk.
 
Like many on this thread, I can't see this for those playing winter sports.
However, I can very much see a case being made for those who play spring sports. However, just how feasible is that when one looks at scholarship situation of those sports (lacrosse, baseball, softball, track & field, crew, etc.) at D-1 and D-2. And, in the case of D-3, 2020 seniors are probably going to be in the workforce at this time next year.

Uggh, all the way around. Stay healthy, my friends....
 
FairView said:
It's uninformed and half-truth posts like this that really get under my skin. Jessica Shepard did not ask for a waiver to get a "5th" year of eligibility. That's preposterous. Especially since the NCAA reached out and offered Jessica a "5th" year of eligibility without her even asking. So stop with the crazy talk.
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Calm down. Didn't you see the emojis ?
It was sarcasm.
 
So I’ll jump in here with a new slant. Let’s say the NCAA allows seniors to return for another year. Shouldn’t they also allow incoming freshmen, many of whom committed with an understanding that they would compete for PT and a starting job based on the fact that certain players were graduating, to re-evaluate their commitment?

For instance, we know that one of the attractions for Paige about UConn is that Crystal was graduating, so she will have the opportunity to compete for the starting pg spot next season. As it is Paige will be competing for PT with Evina & Nika. If Crystal came back next year, there would be an absolute logjam at pg.

So the NCAA should then allow incoming freshmen to recommit. Then maybe the incredibly talented young lady from Hopkins HS could choose another school, along with her BFF from DC.

Just sayin.....
 
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Perhaps a solution is to have two tournaments next year, one in March and April and a second in April and May. The second tournament would be constituted of teams who should have played this year. Of course, the conference tournaments that were not completed this year would have to be held to determine the teams that should have been eligible to play this year.

Kyla couldn't play, because she wouldn't have been able to play this year.
 
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Wbbfan1 said:
Not for Basketball. Spring Sports I have no problems with. For Women's Basketball the cancellation only impacts 96 teams (NCAA & WNIT) and 64 of the teams would have only played one Game. That's not enough of an impact to grant another year of eligibility. If we're realistic the Elite teams would only get stronger if they can keep this years seniors plus their incoming recruiting class. Can you imagine what Oregon would be if they kept their Four Seniors (inclu Sabouly) and add it their Five McDonald All Americans. UConn while not the same as Oregon, would be enhanced if Crystal could play another year with their incoming recruiting class.
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At least we would know who the 5th starter for UConn would be. :D
 
FairView said:
It's uninformed and half-truth posts like this that really get under my skin. Jessica Shepard did not ask for a waiver to get a "5th" year of eligibility. That's preposterous. Especially since the NCAA reached out and offered Jessica a "5th" year of eligibility without her even asking. So stop with the crazy talk.
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It's sarcasm, plain and simple. Thanks for thinking that I posted this as something serious or remotely meant to be factual. Thinking that it was otherwise, well that's preposterous and crazy.

And yet you "liked" the post that you are now criticizing me for posting. Head bang
 
If all spring sports are cancelled, then I believe every student athlete playing those sports would automatically have an extra year of eligibility if they and their school agreed on it. It would be like they all red-shirted a year. The only losers in this might be HS kids who don't get a spring sports scholarship because there wouldn't be room. (Since it's unlikely that any high school students would extend their high school careers.) Also, spring sports seniors who graduate would be able to transfer to other schools and play immediately as graduate transfers for a year. So a top softball pitcher at Florida could graduate and play next spring for Tennessee.

Basketball is a different story. Nothing is automatic. The NCAA would have to come up with guidelines, and each school or conference would probably have a say in how they handle it.

I doubt that either top mens or womens players would eschew the draft (I'm assuming both the NBA and WNBA will hold the draft, even if it's not a public event). Heck, a lot of the top men's players leave early. But non-drafted or late-round draftee players who feel they might enjoy increased playing time might see an advantage to staying in school and extra year. The NCAA would have to have bullet-proof guidelines that applied universally. Would they allow seniors given eligibility to transfer as graduate students to other schools? Would they allow teams to expand rosters? Would they authorize more scholarships so incoming high school seniors wouldn't be penalized? (A lot of these HS seniors have been robbed of their final tournaments as well!) Would they mandate schools to offer a fifth year to seniors or leave it as a school option?

I suspect that the NCAA will pass on any extension for college basketball players.
 
TerpWomenFan said:
I can't read Geno's mind but I think this was more of an emotional response for his seniors than he wanting to grant the basketball seniors an extra year.
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That's the way I took it. Totally impractical for basketball, as was his suggestion that the NCAA pay for the 5th-year scholarships in excess of the limit. He knows this.

As for the spring sports athletes, don't they "automatically" get another year of eligibility since they won't be using up any eligibility this year?
 
Well, I hope SCar and Oregon can find a way to schedule a regular season game next year - but it won't be the same without the seniors from both teams. Yes, Oregon has the great "star power" seniors, but SCar's two seniors were the glue that bonded our superfrosh together.

As talented as our freshmen are, nothing assures us that they will ever be as cohesive a TEAM again without the leadership of Kiki and Tyasha.

Financially speaking; I don't see how the Oregon and/or SCar (or Baylor or UConn or Maryland etc) seniors can afford to wait another year. But then again there may be no American or Euro pro seasons for them to miss.

Alas, I feel I must vote "NO."
 
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oldude said:
So I’ll jump in here with a new slant. Let’s say the NCAA allows seniors to return for another year. Shouldn’t they also allow incoming freshmen, many of whom committed with an understanding that they would compete for PT and a starting job based on the fact that certain players were graduating, to re-evaluate their commitment?

For instance, we know that one of the attractions for Paige about UConn is that Crystal was graduating, so she will have the opportunity to compete for the starting pg spot next season. As it is Paige will be competing for PT with Evina & Nika. If Crystal came back next year, there would be an absolute logjam at pg.

So the NCAA should then allow incoming freshmen to recommit. Then maybe the incredibly talented young lady from Hopkins HS could choose another school, along with her BFF from DC.

Just sayin.....
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I don't think NCAA will grant 1 year eligibility. If anything postpone the tournament if possible. But if you grant another year of eligibility for seniors, freshman should get something too? another year themselves, then it just becomes very difficult situation. With this unprecedented situation we move on or suspend the tournament with heavy health and safety precautions before they play (without fans).
 
I understand the idea for athletes in spring sports who haven't started competition or have only just done so, but basketball players at most missed 6-9 post season games after a 30 game season. For all athletes in all sports it would also create so many added issues for schools - how do you treat scholarship limits, how do you handle and train an extend roster, and for basketball how do you treat records created during the 5th year both within the school record books and the national record books. Current record for WCBB games played is I think Kalana Greene at 157 (because she was injured in her 8th game as a junior and got a red-shirt year based on long standing NCAA rules.) Dangerfield will blow that away if granted a 5th year because she has played 30+ games in her first four as will most other seniors. She will also create a new Uconn record for assists with another 30+ games to play.

In Geno's longer interview he talked about how he will discuss the situation with Dangerfield and remind her in the journey through life if in her next 21 years her biggest disappointment will have been missing her senior year NCAA tournament she will be able to count herself very blessed. I think that is a very good approach and one that makes sense for everyone.

I do think that those juniors who have the chance to enter the WNBA draft this year may well reconsider their options. Some may change their decision and stay for another year, others may choose to go forward with a decision to turn pro. There is no correct decision and no way of knowing what the future is. For Sabrina what would her decision have been last year if she knew the NCAA would be canceled this year?
 
Yes. Those players waited their whole lives for this experience. It was out of their control. At least when Carter boycotted the Olympics, they had a chance to go again in 4 years. It's not like it was over forever for those athletes. Yes, age has a way of changing things, but they at least could have tried again. Many of them will not want to come back. They're ready to start their lives. However, they should have the option, and Geno was talking about basketball not just spring sports.
 
Charliebball said:
looks like a fifth year of eligibility is going to happen:

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Spring sports only so far, and that makes sense. But the problems doing this for wbb are so numerous that I am frankly surprised that Geno, or any coach for that matter, would think it's a good, or fair, idea. Most of the seniors in, say, Division 1, haven't missed a single game. And, among the tournament teams, half will miss only 1 game, another 16 2, and so on. And one could of course argue that everyone on these teams has been similarly deprived. Rosters for a fair number of teams will have to expand past the current limit to accommodate returning seniors, and incoming freshmen, who made decisions based on what a given team's roster would look like in 2020-21 will be surprised to find that their decisions were based on information that is no longer relevant and, in some cases, will doubtless want to go elsewhere. Etc., etc., etc. . . .

I say all of this as a fan of the team--Oregon--for whom the cancellation was arguably the most painful. UCONN, Baylor, and South Carolina already have accomplished what Ionescu and company hoped to do, and the chances of Oregon having a team as good as this one down the road are imo less (in UCONN's case considerably so) than the comparable odds for the other three. In short, I--and I think most Oregon fans--couldn't be more disappointed and sadder for the team. But that doesn't mean extending this year's problems into the next season.
 
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FairView said:
..... Jessica Shepard did not ask for a waiver to get a "5th" year of eligibility. That's preposterous. Especially since the NCAA reached out and offered Jessica a "5th" year of eligibility without her even asking....
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Wrong!

At Nebraska:
Jessica Sheppard was the Big Ten's freshman of the year in 2016.
Then, averaged 18.6 points and 9.8 rebounds in 2017 as a sophomore.

Sooo - she had two full seasons at Nebraska:.

Immediately (in June) after that 2017 season, she transferred to Notre.

She should have had to sit out a year, like everybody else.

BUT, since it was Notre Dame and they needed a big, she mysteriously became eligible right away.

Don't give us this daft notion that the NCAA reached out to her and offered...

 
domerduck said:
Just think if Sabrina still felt she had "unfinished business: and stayed another year. Not only would her record become impossible to break, if NCAA had "image and likeness" approved, I am sure she'd make more from that #20 jersey staying in Oregon and playing the tourney next year than going to the WNBA. With those 7 McDonald AAs along with Sabrina conducting, who would stop them.
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Or she can blow out a knee in preseason.
 
domerduck said:
Yes it took a pandemic for her not to win it this year.
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For all her individual accomplishments which are incredible! Doesn't mean Oregon would have won this year! It could have ended with Sabrina can't win the big one but we will never know!
 
Big Mick said:
Wrong!

At Nebraska:
Jessica Sheppard was the Big Ten's freshman of the year in 2016.
Then, averaged 18.6 points and 9.8 rebounds in 2017 as a sophomore.

Sooo - she had two full seasons at Nebraska:.

Immediately (in June) after that 2017 season, she transferred to Notre.

She should have had to sit out a year, like everybody else.

BUT, since it was Notre Dame and they needed a big, she mysteriously became eligible right away.

Don't give us this daft notion that the NCAA reached out to her and offered...
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OK, stop this. I raised the Jessica Shepard scenario as sarcasm in this thread, just because of the previous 100 threads/posts on her eligibility at the Golden Dome. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT OP. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FUNNY, NOT A SERIOUS ITEM FOR THIS THREAD!!!!! WOW!!!!!
 
Just wondering...of the projected 64 schools that were to be selected for the 2020 Tournament:
How many of them participated in the Big Dance in the previous 3 seasons?
How many of the projected top 16 were in the top 16 in any of the previous 3 seasons?
How many of the projected top 8 were in the top 8 in any of the previous 3 seasons?
How many of the projected #1 seeds were in the Final Four in any of the previous 3 seasons?

So, any schools that are in any of these scenarios have "experienced" the Tournament and therefore this year's experience would be no different because every team in the Big Dance knows that they are just 6 wins away from being the NCs and the aim was the same for every school.
And 2 of the #1 seeds have already cut down the nets in the last 3 years (I believe), so...
 
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