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Should schools have to pay for transfers?

Vowelguy said:
Fair enough; I get that. But aren't we kinda headed that way? The Dartmouth players started down the union road before pulling back. Will someone else pick that up?

More broadly it seems like we're in an unstable situation. Players have the ability to get paid and move freely between teams in a way that pros don't even have. I wonder if the schools are gonna try to put some guardrails around that.
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To me, in their efforts to get away from what they termed the Wild West, they are heading towards something even more Wild Westy.
 
Vowelguy said:
Fair enough; I get that. But aren't we kinda headed that way? The Dartmouth players started down the union road before pulling back. Will someone else pick that up?

More broadly it seems like we're in an unstable situation. Players have the ability to get paid and move freely between teams in a way that pros don't even have. I wonder if the schools are gonna try to put some guardrails around that.
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Turning student athletes into employees will kill almost every college sport.

They absolutely do not want this.
 
Why could they not be contracted as "Independent Contractors" and hence they are not "employees"? They woud then be given 1099s for their earnings from NIL, and their contracts could include a reimbursement clause if they left before the termination date within the contract. Is that too simple of an arrangment?
 
alphasigko said:
Why could they not be contracted as "Independent Contractors" and hence they are not "employees"? They woud then be given 1099s for their earnings from NIL, and their contracts could include a reimbursement clause if they left before the termination date within the contract. Is that too simple of an arrangment?
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There is literally no way they could get away with classifying them as Independent Contractors lmao
 
alphasigko said:
Why could they not be contracted as "Independent Contractors" and hence they are not "employees"? They woud then be given 1099s for their earnings from NIL, and their contracts could include a reimbursement clause if they left before the termination date within the contract. Is that too simple of an arrangment?
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They are scheduled and told how, when, and where to work. There is an ongoing 1-4 year relationship. They don't buy their own stuff. They pass literally none of the tests to be an independent contractor. Which is why they will eventually be considered employees as soon as revenue sharing starts and any person files a lawsuit.
 
And I don't think people truly understand how devastating classifying athletes as employees are, especially as so many universities are in funding crunches with the impending enrollment cliff. There won't be enough college basketball teams to field March Madness.
 
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The future is buyouts, performance bonuses, and performance minimums. No way are donors putting up with the huge busts the portal is leading to forever.
 
NHUConnfan said:
And I don't think people truly understand how devastating classifying athletes as employees are, especially as so many universities are in funding crunches with the impending enrollment cliff. There won't be enough college basketball teams to field March Madness.
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I don't think that's the case. College sports is a 20 billion dollar a year industry with a few thousand employees.

The non-revenue generating sports... well....
 
auror said:
I don't think that's the case. College sports is a 20 billion dollar a year industry with a few thousand employees.

The non-revenue generating sports... well....
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There won't be enough teams to field March Madness. Basketball is a non-revenue generating sport for 90+% of D1.

The industry would collapse.
 
NHUConnfan said:
There won't be enough teams to field March Madness. Basketball is a non-revenue generating sport for 90+% of D1.

The industry would collapse.
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College sports lose money when you just look at what they take in versus what they spend, it's been that way for a long time across the country. UConn basketball, Ohio State football and a ton of other schools still benefit greatly from their basketball and football programs. They aren't going anywhere.

Nobody has ever given a crap about field hockey and cross country.
 
auror said:
They are scheduled and told how, when, and where to work. There is an ongoing 1-4 year relationship. They don't buy their own stuff. They pass literally none of the tests to be an independent contractor. Which is why they will eventually be considered employees as soon as revenue sharing starts and any person files a lawsuit.
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I have been an Independent Cotractor for over 30 years, and I am always scheduled and told when and where to work by my clients. And yes, I buy my own stuff, and pay for lodging and meals when I am working away from my home base. The University could charge for uniforms, room and board and the "student" athlete could write those off as bona fide expenses. They could also be billed for Tuition whch would also be a write off expense and hence reduce the taxes they pay on their NIL Income.

These kids are making big bucks for playing a game. I see no reason why they should not pay for these things like adults do in real jobs. Welcome to the real world.
 
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NHUConnfan said:
There is literally no way they could get away with classifying them as Independent Contractors lmao
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LMAO to you too....Please explain why you believe that "There is literally no way they could get away with classifying them as Independent Contractors".
 
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alphasigko said:
I have been an Independent Cotractor for over 30 years, and I am always scheduled and told when and where to work by my clients. And yes, I buy my own stuff, and pay for lodging and meals when I am working away from my home base. The University could charge for uniforms, room and board and the "student" athlete could write those off as bona fide expenses. They could also be billed for Tuition whch would also be a write off expense and hence reduce the taxes they pay on their NIL Income.

These kids are making big bucks for playing a game. I see no reason why they should not pay for these things like adults do in real jobs. Welcome to the real world.
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The IRS has begun cracking down on this due to the proliferation of incorrectly identified 1099 contractors. If you're told when and where to work, you should probably be a w2 employee, but it would depend on exactly what you mean and the nature of the business.
 
alphasigko said:
I have been an Independent Cotractor for over 30 years, and I am always scheduled and told when and where to work by my clients. And yes, I buy my own stuff, and pay for lodging and meals when I am working away from my home base. The University could charge for uniforms, room and board and the "student" athlete could write those off as bona fide expenses. They could also be billed for Tuition whch would also be a write off expense and hence reduce the taxes they pay on their NIL Income.

These kids are making big bucks for playing a game. I see no reason why they should not pay for these things like adults do in real jobs. Welcome to the real world.
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Being an independent contractor, myself, I completely concur
In all this discussion, I can’t seem to understand all of the angst
The University doesn’t pay the Nil so they’re off the hook financially
Players are getting money that generally was not previously available
The game seems to continue to be popular
The coaches are making record income
University athletic departments continue to increase their staff and salaries
From where I sit the whole NIL controversy
Seems to be a media creation
 
Zonepress said:
Being an independent contractor, myself, I completely concur
In all this discussion, I can’t seem to understand all of the angst
The University doesn’t pay the Nil so they’re off the hook financially
Players are getting money that generally was not previously available
The game seems to continue to be popular
The coaches are making record income
University athletic departments continue to increase their staff and salaries
From where I sit the whole NIL controversy
Seems to be a media creation
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We're discussing a hypothetical in which the school WILL be paying directly via revenue sharing.
 
NHUConnfan said:
There won't be enough teams to field March Madness. Basketball is a non-revenue generating sport for 90+% of D1.

The industry would collapse.
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There's a lot of fuzzy accounting on both sides of the revenue/expense equation, so it's hard to tell how non-revenue generating most basketball teams are for the schools. Fundraising/donations, charging the price of the scholarship as an expense, marketing expense of the team for the university, student fees, etc.

But all schools get NCAA money for fielding a basketball team from March Madness in the form of tournament credits, through conferences. At least around 200k a year for everybody that's not an independent depending on conference size and split. Plus ticket receipts and gates, buy game guarantees, merch, potential concessions, conference media, etc.

Picking a random smaller public school with visible financials, it cost UNC Asheville somewhere between a million and a million and a half to run the team. And it seems they make at least a million between the categories I mentioned above.

If they're employees, you can get rid of scholarship, housing, and their related expenses, pay them some salary that offsets a lot of the expenses you were already absorbing, so the net financial impact isn't even that much.
 
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The "student" athlete can set up his/her own Subchapter S or LLC and receive their money that way and the issue of 1099s simply goes away.
 
Geno just mentioned in an interview he believes there should be a contract and buyout for the athletes and I agree. This is now professional sports, we can pretend it's not and call it whatever we want but it does not change what it actually is.
 
auror said:
They are scheduled and told how, when, and where to work. There is an ongoing 1-4 year relationship. They don't buy their own stuff. They pass literally none of the tests to be an independent contractor.
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Why do pro wrestlers get away with it?
 
Waquoit said:
Why do pro wrestlers get away with it?
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A big difference is team sports vs. individuals. Most wrestlers are free to sign with other promoters/tours/companies and do only certain events at their own whim. They do a gig at a time, like an actor. They arrange their own travel and accommodations. Even still, they are very much in the grey area, and it seems like they are taking advantage of certain friendly state laws in the state they are based in (CT). The NCAA is composed of schools in each state, and each would have to abide by local laws which may be stricter on the front of being exclusive to 1 employer among other things.

Being part of a college basketball team means you have to practice and then play every game as part of the schedule. The NCAA does not allow you to play for multiple teams. College sports could probably find a way to finagle a gray area so that the athletes were contractors, but it would not look the same as it currently does. Most team sport professional athletes are W2 employees.
 
If you think you can get top players to sign such agreements then go for it.

It's the wild west but I don't think such a clause would be successful.

It's more likely, but still not likely at all, that some school (collective) will sue another school (collective) for tampering.

Until there are universal rules, this is what we'll get.
 
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There was an article this week about Big 10
Schools and nil companies placing retention language into their NIL contracts such that if a player leaves within a given period they’d have to pay something back. Along the lines of a bonus paid when an exec gets hired.

Seemed to pass the sniff test legally but could put Big schools at a competitive disadvantage if others school aren’t doing the payback if you leave thing. Comes back to no common rules for all schools to follow
 
Skiblets said:
There was an article this week about Big 10
Schools and nil companies placing retention language into their NIL contracts such that if a player leaves within a given period they’d have to pay something back. Along the lines of a bonus paid when an exec gets hired.

Seemed to pass the sniff test legally but could put Big schools at a competitive disadvantage if others school aren’t doing the payback if you leave thing. Comes back to no common rules for all schools to follow
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This is actually somewhat close to what I was thinking -- if you take a player then you have to pay the NIL that the original school had given to the player last season.

in the example above, "the player" would have to pay the school back, but effectively they'd be using the new NIL they get from the destination school.
 
alphasigko said:
I have been an Independent Cotractor for over 30 years, and I am always scheduled and told when and where to work by my clients. And yes, I buy my own stuff, and pay for lodging and meals when I am working away from my home base. The University could charge for uniforms, room and board and the "student" athlete could write those off as bona fide expenses. They could also be billed for Tuition whch would also be a write off expense and hence reduce the taxes they pay on their NIL Income.

These kids are making big bucks for playing a game. I see no reason why they should not pay for these things like adults do in real jobs. Welcome to the real world.
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Then you're not an independent contractor and you're being screwed out of benefits. That's a YOU problem.
 
NHUConnfan said:
Then you're not an independent contractor and you're being screwed out of benefits. That's a YOU problem.
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Obviously you do not have a clue about independent contracting. And yes, I am responsible to get my own health insurance, and do not have a 401K, but I do have an IRA. I do not see these as "problems". I have clients to whom I am obligated to do what they request me to do and where and when I should do it.
 
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Absolutely not. Any player that signs of the school plays for school and then wants to transfer does so at their own risk. And they should also have to sit a year. If anyone wants to pay them to sit good for them, but they should have to sit.
 
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