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I thought Boyle looked awful last season and just got worse the more he played.

Now being a freshman and playing some great teams obviously contributed to that, but aside from being a big kid, I didn't see the tools there that some people bring up with him.

Hopefully CW just plays well and CC gets healthy ( whether that ends with him on the field or a degree).
 
Palatine said:
Congratulations on your ability to read minds. Burt why are you wasting time on the Boneyard if you can read minds, you should use that ability to make millions of dollars.

I am not even suggesting what you posted. Last year, Boyle came out played well and had two TD passes dropped in the first quarter. Once things started going downhill, he was unable to stop it. He also faced the toughest part of our schedule.
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For the record, I didn't say that's what you were thinking, I said that's what you wanted someone else to say. Big difference. :cool:

(Not really? Okay, no more mind reading)
 
FAIRTIDES said:
Know what seems crazy to me? Most of us seem willing to give players on this team the benefit of the doubt because of the PPGDL atrocity. The theme is and has been; players and, therefore, the team will be better because ...

Why is CW any different? If anything, he was the player most harmed by the PP regime. I don't know if he can be what the program needs. I do think he deserves the same consideration as the lineman who couldn't protect him, or any other player that underperformed because of the incompetence of the previous staff. He deserves nothing more. But, certainly, nothing less.

I maybe miss-interpreting, but I thought RD's pointing out that "CW had nothing to prove to the coaches" was very interesting. T
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I saw him against BYU. No differnce.
 
No - not yet anyway. Give the SR the start and full game against Stony Brook to evaluate. OL play should be much better so the coaching staff (and us fans) will get a chance to see if Whitmer's decision making ability has improved with a second of extra time. If it doesn't, and he turns it over a few times, then I think it's open season at QB because I agree with those above: Cochran's career is in jeopardy.
 
Dooley said:
No - not yet anyway. Give the SR the start and full game against Stony Brook to evaluate. OL play should be much better so the coaching staff (and us fans) will get a chance to see if Whitmer's decision making ability has improved with a second of extra time. If it doesn't, and he turns it over a few times, then I think it's open season at QB because I agree with those above: Cochran's career is in jeopardy.
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I think we all expect Whitmer to do good, if not great, against Stony Brook. Its the following week vs Boise State when I think the real evaluation will take place.
 
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businesslawyer said:
I'm at a loss that people are even discussing this. So a few points.

1. The staff just found out about the concussion, and are probably angry they didn't learn earlier. I doubt they are even thinking about the medical prognosis when they learn on a Thursday. They're just thinking about the game plan for Stony Brook. So no decision that Casey won't, or might not, play again will even creep into their thoughts until Saturday night.

2. From what we saw on the field last year -- and we saw each QB for four games -- Boyle was no where near either of them. From what we heard out of camp, no one was saying Boyle was #1, or even #2, but we wanted to preserve the redshirt anyway. I have no reason to think Boyle gives us a better chance to get to 6-6 this year than Whitmer does.

3. You don't burn the redshirt today. You see how Whitmer performs, you see what Casey's prognosis is, and then you make a decision week to week as to whether Boyle is now the #2 for the season and, if so, is he just an emergency if Whitmer is out too or can he help the team.

Obviously, if Whitmer gets hurt as well than Boyle plays. And you don't worry about the 2017 season.
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Quite frankly, I disagree. I think there is coaching consensus Boyle is by far the most talented of the three. The question as Diaco would say when will his "intangibles" be ready? Throwing Boyle into the frying pan after Coach P got fired - switching coaches, having 8 or 9 drops his first game (USF), then playing the meat of the schedule UCF - made it difficult to evaluate Boyle last season from a fan's perspective.
This all reminds me of the incorrect reaction some had to Drummond's Freshman season when equally disruptive things happened in the environment. In my opinion that's not how you evaluate a player a year later when he becomes a Sophomore.
Play Casey if he is healthy but quickly figure that out and if he is not; go the Boyle route. One thing under the radar is Boyle runs very well but never got the green light to do so from Coach D & P because he wasn't the Wildcat QB and TJ did not change that direction in the quick transition. Running should be used infrequently but a couple ten yard runs and out of bounds plays a game and it changes the opponent's defensive game plan.
 
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Pudge said:
I am not playing this game.

Casey Cochran is still on the Team. He is going to play this year and we should play Chandler Whitmer the entire SB game & expect Casey Cochran back. Amen to that.
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Hey pudge,
Agree with you on the outset as we wish CC the best..... If it is his third concuss in a short period, he should (would) not be back until mid to late season...if best. We don't know if it is concussion, or concussion like symptons.

However, in HCBD I trust. Especially now.....WE DON"T KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THE STORY. When Boyle is ready to play, he will play. So, I agree with you on that point but for different reasons. Should Boyle start? No, not until he's ready and HCBD and a highly qualified coaching staff will make that decision.

HCBD will do what's best to move the program forward.
I do expect Tim Boyle's red shirt to be burned within 3 to 5 games. Seems a given under the current developments and I feel it will be more medically related than with performance.

-CW is one good hit away from his third concuss.
- To think CC will be back would be a miracle this being his 3rd if all communications prove correct. If it is concuss symptons...it will be a shorter stay on medically unable to play list possibly returning this season. If it's a severe concussion and a life issue, do we really want him to return??
 
Whitmer should have a great game today. Sure we'll run the ball, but without a menacing pass rush from SB look for more big downfield passing plays. As for Boyle, if you ask TJ Weist, his shortcomings were more intangible, things like command of the playbook and the huddle, confidence, leadership, etc. There was simply a better team response and chemistry with Casey behind center, due more to his demeanor, competitiveness and overall personality. Boyle has all the physical tools---and he's improved with the help of the new coaches, including strength coach Matt Balis. He's working hardest now on the intangibles.
The redshirt is important for Boyle and the program so let's hope CC gets better and is cleared to play. In the meantime, don't sell CW short.The team has his back and so does the coaching staff. This is a much different coaching staff. It instills confidence instead of ripping it away. In many ways a football QB is a lot like a PGA golfer. Lots of them can hit the ball far and all that but the best can think their way around the course and make the shot under pressure. Some never master that part of the golf game--the intangibles. Ever notice how some very good players will finally break through. Sometimes it's from the experience of failure, a new swing coach's advice or a new psychological approach from a guru like Bob Rotella. Now imagine if your golf (QB) coach was PP and your psychologist was GDL.

As silly as it sounds to some of you, I think Chandler Whitmer's best playing days lie ahead of him this year.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly, I disagree. I think there is coaching consensus Boyle is by far the most talented of the three. The question as Diaco would say when will his "intangibles" be ready? Throwing Boyle into the frying pan after Coach P got fired - switching coaches, having 8 or 9 drops his first game (USF), then playing the meat of the schedule UCF - made it difficult to evaluate Boyle last season from a fan's perspective.
This all reminds me of the incorrect reaction some had to Drummond's Freshman season when equally disruptive things happened in the environment. In my opinion that's not how you evaluate a player a year later when he becomes a Sophomore.
Play Casey if he is healthy but quickly figure that out and if he is not; go the Boyle route. One thing under the radar is Boyle runs very well but never got the green light to do so from Coach D & P because he wasn't the Wildcat QB and TJ did not change that direction in the quick transition. Running should be used infrequently but a couple ten yard runs and out of bounds plays a game and it changes the opponent's defensive game plan.
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+1
 
I did not think Coach P was the right man for the job but he knew football and evaluated hundreds of NFL playerd. After he got fired one thing he made sure he did was to say he was planning on starting Boyle. In his mind he did not want to go down on the record as not recognizing his talents.
 
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If we are fortunate enough to get a big lead today the walk on QB should be put in to get Chandler off the field.
 
tiger8mush said:
I think we all expect Whitmer to do good, if not great, against Stony Brook. Its the following week vs Boise State when I think the real evaluation will take place.
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Whitmer performed as I expected.
 
Uh unless he's absolutely abysmal, I ready to see Boyle.
 
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The real world is that maybe he'll be a good quarterback, but we are suffering from 3 factors that apply to most struggling programs, well, 2. The third is a uniquely Connecticut phenomenon. First and foremost, we have backup syndrome, or the backup quarterback is always better than the guy ahead of him. That seems to apply in spades with Boyle. Second is forgetting what happened when he actually did play, you know that 44% completion, worst in the nation rating thing. finally, the Connecticut specific matter. He is a local kid so obvioulsy he should be starting...everything from winning games to selling out the stadium will happen if only Diaco would get that he is a local kid. If we know nothing else about Diaco we know that he is not the type to say bad things about his players. Even when its deserved he tries to put a positive spin mostly. So he isn't going to say it, but Boyle didn't beat out Cochran for the starting job and he didn't beat out Whitmer for the backup job. He "is still young." He is "still learning" He is still "growing as a leader" all that is Diaco-speak for he isn't as good as the other two guys. And unlike Pasqualoni who was desperate to keep his job or Weist who wanted to be named head coach, Diaco doesn't have to make the change out of desperation. He's here and he ain't going anywhere for a while. He can actually do what he thinks is best for the team and the long term development of the program. So barring injury, don't expect to see Boyle any time soon.
 
Well, we are one hit away from him being the starter with no back up on the roster. Gulp!
 
No QB is going to look good without blocking. That said if we're looking to the future we need to think about TB taking over the team at some point this season. CW does little to advance our long-term goals.
 
Jimdish255 said:
No QB is going to look good without blocking. That said if we're looking to the future we need to think about TB taking over the team at some point this season. CW does little to advance our long-term goals.
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The line always looked better with CC making quick decisions and moving within the pocket. Boyle like Whitmer, had a tendency to drop back further when pressure came. It that can be coached, Whitemer hasn't exhibited it yet. Hope Boyle does.
 
Why shouldn't he? Whitmer showed on Saturday that he isn't the guy. I'm not sure Boyle is but clearly he's got a great shot to. Why wouldn't you give him experience all season long to grow and learn the offense? He's got a stud receiver this year so that can only help his confidence grow. The Oline is not good so he'll need to learn how to get the ball out quickly, something he didn't do last year.

I just feel that we've seen the CW show now for long enough to know we aren't going to win with him. Why not use the season to get Boyle experience and see what we truly have in him. I can't find a reason he shouldn't start. Enough with happy feet CW.
 
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Jimdish255 said:
No QB is going to look good without blocking. That said if we're looking to the future we need to think about TB taking over the team at some point this season. CW does little to advance our long-term goals.
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Fran Tarkington looked great without blocking.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I thought Boyle looked awful last season and just got worse the more he played.

Now being a freshman and playing some great teams obviously contributed to that, but aside from being a big kid, I didn't see the tools there that some people bring up with him.

Hopefully CW just plays well and CC gets healthy ( whether that ends with him on the field or a degree).
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What did you think of Whitmer last year?
 
We might give Andreas Knappe a go at QB. His footwork is much improved this year and he is hard to tackle.
 
I'll say it again. Whitmer's best playing is ahead of him. He will be better vs Boise. Boyle (barring injury) will not see the field.
 
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