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jibsey said:
This guy is like the missing link for us right where we need him, inside. Great driving and handle, seeks contact on those drives with his toughness. He's not DD, way more muscular and inside player. We now have enough outside shooters to jack 3's, so why would we waste Miller out there when he can actually do what's more important inside, scoring, defending, rebounding and getting fouled? No problem with him shooting from 17 feet ( he should be honing that this summer) like a Charles Oakley but KO will show him how he can help us get where we want to go. BTW thanks tcf.
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If you watch the videos you notice he never posts up. He has a better handle than DD so I expect him to play more perimeter. He would also be a great player to play at the top of the key and either take open jump shots or pass it inside to AB. He can definitely rebound inside and get junk baskets but don't expect him to spend too much time inside the paint based off his strengths(athletic and good handle).
 
House about this for toughness taking it to the rack? Miller and Rodney. Adams might also make that list.
 
He offers so much that we need
Rebounding
A bigger/stronger body inside
Offense from the 4 spot
Passing in out front court
Maturity
And will add to our blocking ability.
What's not to like? He won't shoot 3's like that here.
 
This really doesn't seem as complicated as it's made out to be, nor as contentious, so i'll throw in my 500 words and EVERYONE WILL AGREE, YAY....

He was the offense at Cornell and as such was probably forced to take shots that most would consider ill advised (contested) and will not be taking at UConn. First off all, he is clearly a good rebounder with a nose for the ball and by all accounts a solid defender. Just those attributes will make him an improvement over our 4's from last year even without the 2" that Facey has on him. Pair him with Brimah and you have two excellent defenders and will make Brimah better in a number of ways mainly-a) he will be in better position all over the court meaning Brimah will not have to be the hero as often and b) when someone does get beat and AB goes for the block, Miller-presumably-will be focused on boxing out and grabbing the rebound c) with his dribble he should be able to take the ball off the rim and start the break even if it is only 1-2 dribbles. With him and Hamilton both capable of crashing the boards and dribbling, one guard can leak out and we can play at a bit faster pace. Again, if he contributes nothing on O, his presence should add maybe 4 ppg net due to improvements on D and the boards.

On the other side of the ball I think we can be sure he will be an improvement, how much so is yet to be determined. His handle is tight, especially for someone who plays big as he does, he shows a knack for finishing around the rim through/around contact and he looks to dunk everything, which is good (also something i noticed in Diarra-seems much more aggressive than other bigs we've brought in, but i digress). I doubt he plays as a traditional back to the basket 4 man, but against smaller opponents I am confident he will take advantage of a mismatch inside. Instead, as it was postulated before, I think he spends a lot of time on the perimeter, opening up driving lanes or being the pick in a PnR. If teams ignore him, he will have a green light to let it fly from 3, but more often than not, he should be able to catch a big man in his closeout and get into the lane (from there it seems he looks to the rim but he definitely showed an ability to pass, I just don't know if he can do so off the dribble).

The bottom line is that he knows he was brought here because we sorely lack a 4 who can defend and rebound. Having him and Brimah should ensure an excellent defensive combo at the 4-5 and on offense he literally does not have to force anything. I mean defenders have to stick to Gibbs like glue or he will make it rain from 3: Hamilton will be a constant mismatch and should play a much more streamlined game as a soph, meaning quicker decisions and more controlled play; Purvis seemed to realize in March that he can over power anyone to the rim as long as he isn't trying to iso after 3 dribbles and instead makes his move as soon as he catches and teams cannot slag off AB or they will pay in the form of constant dunks. Even Adams off the bench will probably take more focus from the D than Miller will, which means that all Miller has to do is keep the D honest. If teams want to stop our other options and leave him, I am confident he will make them pay, and we have at least 2 guys (gibbs/dham) who can get their shot off 1-1 whenever they want. It will take a great deal of practice for this team to really get its chemistry right and last years team never seemed capable, but if that happens, I legit see a top 10 team with the potential to rack up 28 wins (maybe not with the schedule), before the tourney starts.
 
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Boy, an offseason practicing with Kevin Ollie, Glen Miller, Brimah, possibly Drummond+ already 4 years of college experience is exciting. Pressure will be taken off of him to score. He'll just be plopped in the paint and be forced to do the necessary dirty work. Such a perfect complement to this team if he stays healthy.
 
I think Enoch is going to be better than we think, but that playing with someone like Miller is going to help toughen him a bit, and make him much better during the latter part of his rookie season. But, wow, as far as transfers go - this class is way, way up there. How many teams have ever picked up two guys like Gibbs and Miller in the same offseason?

Team will be super deep, now I'm just wondering if the guys who don't get PT remain team players.
 
tcf15 said:
Similar to the Terry Larrier thread I posted last week, there were only three available games of Shonn Miller playing for Cornell on espn3: South Carolina, Syracuse & Buffalo, all top 100 teams per KenPom.

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Great stuff....thanks. :)
 
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
 
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CTBasketball said:
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
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CTBasketball said:
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
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I'm not sure which sentence is the most wrong here.
 
CTBasketball said:
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
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"He'll be better than Miller from the get go". Wow. KFace would have to put on his Batman suit.
 
nyhusky89 said:
This really doesn't seem as complicated as it's made out to be, nor as contentious, so i'll throw in my 500 words and EVERYONE WILL AGREE, YAY....

He was the offense at Cornell and as such was probably forced to take shots that most would consider ill advised (contested) and will not be taking at UConn. First off all, he is clearly a good rebounder with a nose for the ball and by all accounts a solid defender. Just those attributes will make him an improvement over our 4's from last year even without the 2" that Facey has on him. Pair him with Brimah and you have two excellent defenders and will make Brimah better in a number of ways mainly-a) he will be in better position all over the court meaning Brimah will not have to be the hero as often and b) when someone does get beat and AB goes for the block, Miller-presumably-will be focused on boxing out and grabbing the rebound c) with his dribble he should be able to take the ball off the rim and start the break even if it is only 1-2 dribbles. With him and Hamilton both capable of crashing the boards and dribbling, one guard can leak out and we can play at a bit faster pace. Again, if he contributes nothing on O, his presence should add maybe 4 ppg net due to improvements on D and the boards.

On the other side of the ball I think we can be sure he will be an improvement, how much so is yet to be determined. His handle is tight, especially for someone who plays big as he does, he shows a knack for finishing around the rim through/around contact and he looks to dunk everything, which is good (also something i noticed in Diarra-seems much more aggressive than other bigs we've brought in, but i digress). I doubt he plays as a traditional back to the basket 4 man, but against smaller opponents I am confident he will take advantage of a mismatch inside. Instead, as it was postulated before, I think he spends a lot of time on the perimeter, opening up driving lanes or being the pick in a PnR. If teams ignore him, he will have a green light to let it fly from 3, but more often than not, he should be able to catch a big man in his closeout and get into the lane (from there it seems he looks to the rim but he definitely showed an ability to pass, I just don't know if he can do so off the dribble).

The bottom line is that he knows he was brought here because we sorely lack a 4 who can defend and rebound. Having him and Brimah should ensure an excellent defensive combo at the 4-5 and on offense he literally does not have to force anything. I mean defenders have to stick to Gibbs like glue or he will make it rain from 3: Hamilton will be a constant mismatch and should play a much more streamlined game as a soph, meaning quicker decisions and more controlled play; Purvis seemed to realize in March that he can over power anyone to the rim as long as he isn't trying to iso after 3 dribbles and instead makes his move as soon as he catches and teams cannot slag off AB or they will pay in the form of constant dunks. Even Adams off the bench will probably take more focus from the D than Miller will, which means that all Miller has to do is keep the D honest. If teams want to stop our other options and leave him, I am confident he will make them pay, and we have at least 2 guys (gibbs/dham) who can get their shot off 1-1 whenever they want. It will take a great deal of practice for this team to really get its chemistry right and last years team never seemed capable, but if that happens, I legit see a top 10 team with the potential to rack up 28 wins (maybe not with the schedule), before the tourney starts.
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Thanks for taking the time to put together such a well thought out post. It was enjoyable to read. The Miller/Gibbs additions were game changing beyond measure. JMHO.
 
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Miller won't be taking all those 3's with us. We need him to rebound and he looks quick enough to get position but even more important he wants to rebound. Don't know if he'll be a star but he is sure going to help.
 
Definitely want him as the pick man on the perimeter. Allows Brimah to stay on the weak side baseline where he has done a lot of damage as the play develops

Dude hit all his FTs too, at least in these 3 games
 
Shonn's physical characteristics remind me of Kawhi Leonard...he has a long reach. I really loved the extension on the hook shot in the lane and the thread-the-needle, high-to-low bounce pass in traffice. He is very talented and the potential to get much better.
 
It will be interesting to see how much he improves in the off season. If he can master the 15-18 foot jumper, pick and pop, pick and roll, boxing out, and add 5+ lbs, then he has a good chance at being 1st team AAC.
 
CTBasketball said:
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
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C'mon I need to know where your dealer is because that has to be some really good ?:eek:
 
CTBasketball said:
We won't know until November!
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Facey's game and improvement will have little to do with his weight gain. His basketball instincts are what need to improve on both ends of the floor. I already saw Miller in highlights alone put in the floor more than Facey did all year too. I hate to say but his improvement, especially on the defensive end where he was close to awful, will need it be dramatic to keep Miller on or near the bench. What Miller brings to the team on that end alone will help to improve this team in a big way, plain basketball smarts.

I hope he improves a ton we'll be that much better!
 
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I like a ton about Miller's game too but as of now I completely disagree that his 3 point shooting will improve with better shot selection. The shots from those 3 games were fine. He simply missed and missed consistently. Unless his shooting improves dramatically, 3 pointers do not need to be part a part of his game especially on this squad.

As for the comparison to Hamilton and looking like a 3 instead of a 4... I don't think that's far fetched at all. Fortunately they both rebound at such a high rate that they can be on the floor at the same time. The biggest difference between the two based on the video is Hamilton is a superior shooter (and potentially ball handler) and Miller is more explosive around the rim.

What I am really excited to see is what Miller can do in the pick and roll especially with Gibbs or Hamilton. While I'm hesitant to see Miller pick and pop from beyond 18 feet, I really want to see what he do with a head of steam rolling to the hoop or with the dribble instead of taking the pick and pop.
 
CTBasketball said:
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
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Sorry but this post is just so off. First off he brings rebounding with a bigger frame. He also can block shots which Kelis Fisher barely does. He can also play on the outside and not clog the lane which is essential for us with AB down low.
 
BLUEDOGHOUSE said:
Thanks for taking the time to put together such a well thought out post. It was enjoyable to read. The Miller/Gibbs additions were game changing beyond measure. JMHO.
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Thank you. Honestly, for the most part i think people agree about a lot of conversations, but twitter syndrome means they try to make the point as quick as possible instead of covering all the angles. A lot of times i don't post as much as I could because people seem to dislike the longer posts but in all my writing i go by the mantra "write like your explaining it to an alien" so there is no confusion. Unfortunately, the posts end up long because like one of my professors said, "I did not have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one" or in my case, I am not a good enough writer yet to make those
 
CTBasketball said:
It looks like he plays very similar to Hamilton, and if that's the case he won't get as many minutes people are anticipating on here. Plus I think if Facey puts on weight and works on his game a ton, he'll be better than Miller from the get-go. Especially if Facey plays like he did Nov. - Dec. last year. Kid is good though, but he never played anyone. Tough to judge.
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There is no chance Facey gets more minutes than him. Yes Facey can rebound, but Miller has a much more complete game and even if he cant shoot a single 3, his ability to get past bigger defenders from the outside means he will open the offense up tremendously. Additionally, Facey was terrible on D and Miller should be a vast improvement, especially as he goes from the only rim protector to the second option on D looking to stop his man and clean the glass. The bottom line is he is just a better all around player, has more experience and is built as a better compliment to Brimah.
 
Another skill that looks quite promising is his ability, when catching the ball on the perimeter, to drive the gap in the zone with one or two quick dribbles, causing the defense to collapse, and then throw a perfect pass to an open teammate who is ready to take the three.
 
In Shonn Miller ...

I see a big improvement in our Zone offense. He has the skillset to play interior in our set. We will be much better as he will team with Daniel Hamilton and Amida Brimah to absolutely eat up any Zones we see. I see a High Basketball IQ - higher than Facey, Brimah, Nolan, Lubin. He knows his box out roles and goes to the ball with hunger on rebounds. (might be fighting Hamilton some) I saw a Shonn Miller that did try too much for a Cormell offense that had little other weapons against a high-major South Carolina or Syracuse. He forced. But, if he learns to play in our framework - with good guard play from Gibbs, Adams, Purvis - we will be better. Defensively, he is just solid. He blocks some; he knows positioning; he hedges.
 
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