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aceboon said:
MWill and Boone, although the former was thought of as a borderline lottery pick before he showed up to workouts fat and out of shape.
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Gotcha. Someone said Calhoun advised Boone against leaving. I guess my point is Calhoun (provided he is advising either KO or Shabazz directly) has a pretty good feel if an early entrant will embarass himself, Victor Page style (though I believe his family needed the $).
 
Jerry1714 said:
So you have no argument as to why it makes sense for him to go. All you can say is it his decisions.

Got it okay.
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Read more carefully. No offense but it's not my responsibility to show you how to process what you read.
 
Husky25 said:
If you're late to the game here on the APR, it's the grade-and-graduating measuring tool that simplistically deduces how a program keeps its players in school and in good academic standing. You get one point if a player is academically eligible. You lose one point if a player flunks or drops out of school. You don't get punished if a player is drafted into the pros before graduating.

I'm trying to find the quote. Again, I believe Calhoun mentioned the contract part of this. Unlike first rounders, second rounders are not guaranteed contracts.
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Don't think that's right. The APR is used universally for all sports. There's no "draft" for professional golf, but my understanding is that if a college golfer left school to pursue a professional career, he would not cost his team an APR point if he was in good standing.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Read more carefully. No offense but it's not my responsibility to show you how to process what you read.
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I read what you wrote. If you think that is an argument for him to leave, ok. Good thing you are not a lawyer.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
Don't think that's right. The APR is used universally for all sports. There's no "draft" for professional golf, but my understanding is that if a college golfer left school to pursue a professional career, he would not cost his team an APR point if he was in good standing.
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I think the revenue generating sports are a bit of a different animal than golf or tennis for example.

1. There is an age floor/time criteria for both the highest levels of professional football or basketball, which is not the case for other sports with a draft or other non-revenue generating sports.

2. Golf and tennis (Track as well, I believe) are are individual competions, where a player can compete in pro events as an amateur, not accept any prize money, and still retain his/her eligibility.

3. Rare is the instance where an athlete who leaves early or transfers in these other sports let alone in great numbers to affect the program'sAPR. Otherwise I'd think we'd hear about more instances.
 
Husky25 said:
I think the revenue generating sports are a bit of a different animal than golf or tennis for example.

1. There is an age floor/time criteria for both the highest levels of professional football or basketball, which is not the case for other sports with a draft or other non-revenue generating sports.

2. Golf and tennis (Track as well, I believe) are are individual competions, where a player can compete in pro events as an amateur, not accept any prize money, and still retain his/her eligibility.

3. Rare is the instance where an athlete who leaves early or transfers in these other sports let alone in great numbers to affect the program'sAPR. Otherwise I'd think we'd hear about more instances.
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I know that it's extremely rare. I'm just saying that I don't think the NCAA distinguishes among the different sports when calculating APR scores. I'm pretty sure the same rules apply to each sport, which is why you would base it on whether a player left school to pursue a pro career, regardless of whether he gets drafted.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Because he wants to? Because he could go over there today and start earning a nice paycheck and seeing the world? Because for some reason you're conflating playing another year in college with "living out [his] NBA dream"? I don't get why you seem to think that staying another year at UConn = NBA career, while leaving now doesn't. That's just you trying to rationalize your own selfish interest in his decision.

Shabazz is going to have to earn a spot in the NBA whether he comes out this year or next year. He's not going to be a first rounder. So if he feels like it's in his best interest to call it a career at UConn and move on to the next challenge that's his decision and he's more than entitled to it.

[But oh boy will that throw a monkey wrench in next year's lineup.]
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You make some very fair rational points (it is somewhat inherent in fans to be selfish). I would counter argue by expressing the same rationale that Tad Boyle is using with potential senior to be Andre Roberson at Colorado. His thought process is very logical on the issue at hand. It is understandable coaches have a vested interest in the return of star players (Izzo's feelings with A. Payne at Michigan State could be the difference in a National Championship). Boyle though seems to express the same factual scenario that Bazz will encounter. Different players Bazz/Roberson but still room for growth and escalation of NBA value by returning. JMHO of course.
 
some people on here are overvaluing the idea bazz can improve his draft stock, especially since some say next years is equivalent to 03.He is what he is scouts know about him. Getting a head start on his pro career isn't delusional at all. It's quite myopic to believe some miraculous run the ncaas would launch him into a lotto pick, Unless he comes back a world class athlete or something
 
HuskyBballFan said:
I know that it's extremely rare. I'm just saying that I don't think the NCAA distinguishes among the different sports when calculating APR scores. I'm pretty sure the same rules apply to each sport, which is why you would base it on whether a player left school to pursue a pro career, regardless of whether he gets drafted.
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Also, and I have no idea how this works, Football and basketball are headcount scholarship sports (there are 6 on the women's side). All other sports are considered equivalency scholarship sports, where it is rare for an athlete to get a full ride. My logical guess is if a student-athlete leaves early, the program's APR is only affected as a ratio of that student's scholarship aid.
 
http://www.cubuffs.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=600&SPID=257&SPSID=3889

Starting @ min 10:00 until around min 18:00 Tad Boyle discusses Dre Roberson and the draft. Most of the discussion smart UConn fans already understand but always interesting to hear it from a good coach. I respect Boyle as a coach building a good solid program at Colorado. Bazz will have similar options as Roberson. I believe the Bazz value can still go up with a return as Boyle feels about Roberson.
 
Husky25 said:
Also, and I have no idea how this works, Football and basketball are headcount scholarship sports (there are 6 on the women's side). All other sports are considered equivalency scholarship sports, where it is rare for an athlete to get a full ride. My logical guess is if a student-athlete leaves early, the program's APR is only affected as a ratio of that student's scholarship aid.
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The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances. One exception that can be made, is for student-athletes who leave prior to graduation, while in good academic standing, to pursue a professional career. Another is for student-athletes who transfer to another school while meeting minimum academic requirements and student-athletes who return to graduate at a later date.

From Wikipedia
 
UC990411 said:
The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances. One exception that can be made, is for student-athletes who leave prior to graduation, while in good academic standing, to pursue a professional career. Another is for student-athletes who transfer to another school while meeting minimum academic requirements and student-athletes who return to graduate at a later date.

From Wikipedia
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Yep, I read that too. As I said my understanding re: getting drafted and a contract comes from Calhoun's interview on CenterStage. As luck would have it, it is being replayed on the YES Network tomorrow morning at 6:00am, if I remember, I try and catch it again..as much as it pains me to watch YES, being a Sox fan...:-)
 
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PG Kendall Williams as of today appears to be returning to New Mexico for 2013-14. His stock could also rise next year as reining MWC POY. The decisions of Russ Smith and Shane Larkin could directly effect what Bazz decides to do. Those are the 2 players I would focus on the most with regards to a Bazz decision at the moment. JMHO

I still think Bazz is leading the Huskies to the National Championship next year.
 
Two things that could definitely improve Bazz's draft stock are the team making a splash in the NCAAs and Bazz proving that he can play healthy all next year.
At present, the health of his foot, given the recurrent nature of his injury raises a big question mark.
Statistically, he could duplicate this year's performance and be a solid lower 1st round pick.
Next year's draft will have a much better top ten, but will not necessarily be much deeper.
 
@AmoreCourant: Kevin Ollie says he has given Shabazz Napier feedback he has gotten from NBA contacts, now Shabazz is weighing info #uconnmen

@AmoreCourant: At end of day, Kevin Ollie believes Napier, boatright, Daniels are all coming back. #uconnmen. But won't be certain til 4/28
 
@AmoreCourant: At end of day, Kevin Ollie believes Napier, boatright, Daniels are all coming back. #uconnmen. But won't be certain til 4/28

THAT would be a great returning nucleus. Here's looking forward to 2013-14.
 
Husky25 said:
Yep, I read that too. As I said my understanding re: getting drafted and a contract comes from Calhoun's interview on CenterStage. As luck would have it, it is being replayed on the YES Network tomorrow morning at 6:00am, if I remember, I try and catch it again..as much as it pains me to watch YES, being a Sox fan...:-)
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Just confirmed...Calhoun said if an underclassman signs an nba contract, it does not count against APR. Regardless of the actual wording, this is what Calhoun said on CenterStage.
 
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Slow news day...

@SportandoBasket: Shabazz Napier set to return to school for his senior year http://post original url/2HbrvhqgEx
 
The problem in the past were students who were not academically eligible after the Spring Semester and either transferred or went to the NBA or otherwise left school for discipline or academic reasons. The o for 2 scenarios.
 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...ing-changes/yHty7cPuTudcbQlS3Q7CkM/story.html

Comes from this Boston Globe article.

While UConn guard Shabazz Napier was considering leaving the Huskies for the NBA draft, the point guard is close to deciding to return to school for his senior season. Napier was likely a second-round pick or would have gone undrafted this year. A strong senior season could push Napier into the first round in June 2014.
 
RS9999X said:
The problem in the past were students who were not academically eligible after the Spring Semester and either transferred or went to the NBA or otherwise left school for discipline or academic reasons. The o for 2 scenarios.
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Only transfers need to leave in good standing (i.e. 2.3 GPA).
Players that leave for the pros do not need a 2.3 GPA average. This is one of the absurdities Jay Bilas addressed.
Players tossed for disciplinary reasons are exempt from APR (i.e. they don't count).

When you boil it down, the only way you're hurt is if a player transfers with low grades or if a player decides to leave school in the middle of the semester.

A good way to forestall the hit to your APR if you get wind of a player leaving or about to transfer is o kick him out on some trumped up disciplinary charge.
 
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Unless Shabazz is prepared to bounce around the D league or play in Turkey he should return, work on his conditioning, quickness and lead UConn to a deep run in 2014. Best chance to get 1st round and a guaranteed contract 4 3-4 years.
 
James said:
some people on here are overvaluing the idea bazz can improve his draft stock, especially since some say next years is equivalent to 03.He is what he is scouts know about him. Getting a head start on his pro career isn't delusional at all. It's quite myopic to believe some miraculous run the ncaas would launch him into a lotto pick, Unless he comes back a world class athlete or something
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Nice use of vocab words
 
husky91 said:
Unless Shabazz is prepared to bounce around the D league or play in Turkey he should return, work on his conditioning, quickness and lead UConn to a deep run in 2014. Best chance to get 1st round and a guaranteed contract 4 3-4 years.
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It's highly unlikely Shabazz becomes a first round pick unless he becomes a first team All-American next year, and even then, his small frame and relative lack of explosiveness will likely prohibit him from cracking the first round. However, I do think he could benefit from another year at UConn - teams will certainly be more likely to view him as a backup PG if he can better his assist to turnover ratio, help increase his teams offensive efficiency, and improve defensively.
 
He'll be in a similar position as AJ Price with respect to the NBA, except he's a bit smaller and therefore more of a liability on the defensive end.
 
Bazz is a great leader and is very clutch. When completely healthy, he is quicker than many on this board realize. However, he is slight of build and 6' at best. With a great senior season including a deep tourney run, he could be a mid to late first round pick. I know I will be pulling for him.
 
Huskybass said:
Bazz is a great leader and is very clutch. When completely healthy, he is quicker than many on this board realize. However, he is slight of build and 6' at best. With a great senior season including a deep tourney run, he could be a mid to late first round pick. I know I will be pulling for him.
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QFT

really can't even comprehend how one could argue he "can't improve" his draft position.
 
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