Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[UCFan1513]

Everyone realizes Tom Moore was calling the defense tonight right? He’s a maestro. UConn legend on the bench. Why wouldn’t he zone?

Probably because the team has only practiced a Swiss cheese 1-3-1

 

[superjohn]

We have a collection of unaffiliated parts on the court.

We do not have a point guard. We do not really have a true shooting guard - Hawkins is something close, but he’s something of a catch and shoot type with very little else to offer. I don’t know what Newton, Diarra, Alleyne and California are at this point aside from just generally being misfit portal part rentals.

Karaban and Clingan are freshmen. Sanogo doesn’t know if he wants to be a power forward or a wing. Jackson is everything and nothing.

At this point, I’d just bench Karaban and play Clingan. Let Newton run the point - let Jackson just do whatever he can figure out to do. Remind Sanogo that the ball will not explode if he passes it back out. Stop telling Hawkins he’s Ray Allen when he’s not.

You want Karaban benched? I agree he's playing too many minutes but he's one of the only guys playing the right way. Moving the ball, cutting, getting open for the proper shots. Sanogo missed him at least 4 times when Karaban was begging for the ball and Adama was looking right at him. His defense is also getting better, he was the one down low in the last couple minutes making defensive plays. Sanogo needs to be benched, he was laughably bad today and he's been outplayed in 7 of the 9 Big East games.

 

[connVA]

I thought about just putting four guys out there, but I have been convinced that I cannot bench everyone.

Frankly, at this point I'd like to see a lineup of Newton, Diarra, Alleyne, and Jackson with Sanogo, if only for the comic relief of watching a big get quintuple-teamed while the other four stand around helplessly on the perimeter shrugging their shoulders

 

[Drfla]

Thats exactly it. When you turn it over 12 times, your bigs forget how to control the paint on both ends, you cant hit a gimmie, your conference player of the year refuses to dunk, you have your best scorer taking an abysmal deep 3 while up a possession, you dont have Clingan in to grab the most important rebound of the game, Sanogo refuses to foul up 1 with 5 seconds to play and allows a guy to get a layup….

But yeah the refs are the reason we lost. People need to look in the mirror and realize this team is underperforming in every aspect of the game. If you dont think thats the issue then nothing can be said to prove you wrong. We let every opponent play the style they want and we have not proven we have one iota of heart in the last 3 weeks

Frankly, at this point I'd like to see a lineup of Newton, Diarra, Alleyne, and Jackson with Sanogo, if only for the comic relief of watching a big get quintuple-teamed while the other four stand around helplessly on the perimeter shrugging their shoulders

And the big still wouldn’t be able to find someone to pass to

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Find me the lie

There's no lie to find.

I was agreeing with you.

I dislike that I found what you wrote to be essentially true, because it means I have to accept the pain that goes with facing uncomfortable realities.

None of that is against you.

Your sarcasm about the refs might give me some cheap hit of comfort, and might lessen the upset, but to what good purpose? None.

And I can also see more than "not one iota of heart," but it's still not all that good. Again, that's no personal criticism of you.

What you wrote forced me to face feelings I dislike. I'd rather not.

I couldn't feel the full effect without noting where I had less than full agreement with you. I really truly wish I didn't agree with you. I wish I were watching a team that played well and won games. I'm pretty sure you feel that way too.

 

[NickDanger]

Luke Murray and Tom Moore. Dan Hurley was not coaching tonight

But it is Hurley who keeps relying on Sanogo

 

[auror]

Between the missed layup and this effort… start Clingan

1) Yeah Sanogo has to do better. Try to help with the boxout that Andre was attempting.

2) This angle just makes me so annoyed about how unlucky it was. The shot literally drops straight down directly into the hands of the only player on their team on the inside of 4 of our guys. Even if it's a long rebound, there's only 2 seconds left and there may not have been enough time to even get a decent shot off.

 

[Orc]

You want Karaban benched? I agree he's playing too many minutes but he's one of the only guys playing the right way. Moving the ball, cutting, getting open for the proper shots. Sanogo missed him at least 4 times when Karaban was begging for the ball and Adama was looking right at him. His defense is also getting better, he was the one down low in the last couple minutes making defensive plays. Sanogo needs to be benched, he was laughably bad today and he's been outplayed in 7 of the 9 Big East games.

Agreed. He has regressed significantly. Hope his performance early in the season is good enough to get him drafted in some league in europe.

 

[MrSec238]

There's no lie to find.

I was agreeing with you.

I dislike that I found what you wrote to be essentially true, because it means I have to accept the pain that goes with facing uncomfortable realities.

None of that is against you.

Your sarcasm about the refs might give me some cheap hit of comfort, and might lessen the upset, but to what good purpose? None.

And I can also see more than "not one iota of heart," but it's still not all that good. Again, that's no personal criticism of you.

What you wrote forced me to face feelings I dislike. I'd rather not.

I couldn't feel the full effect without noting where I had less than full agreement with you. I really truly wish I didn't agree with you. I wish I were watching a team that played well and won games. I'm pretty sure you feel that way too.

Yes I have stayed positive until this point. Today I have nothing positive left to give. I appreciate you and everyone else here for giving me an outlet to spew vitriol

 

[Icehawk]

I wonder how much of a leash the coaches had tonight to go with their own game plan? I'm guessing not much based on the rotations and lack of DC in the final moments as a rim protector.

 

[rjnardi007]

Can someone tell Sanago he is allowed to dunk the ball. Thanks

OMG somebody else sees this!
Why doesn’t he that’s the question , he never does…,,,

 

[rjnardi007]

I wonder how much of a leash the coaches had tonight to go with their own game plan? I'm guessing not much based on the rotations and lack of DC in the final moments as a rim protector.

They don’t coach
They watch

Nothing changes
They never have any idea of what to do…

 

[navery12]

But it is Hurley who keeps relying on Sanogo

That's not the question you asked

 

[freshler40]

Diarra has earned more playing time. I trust him more than anyone else.

Can’t believe I actually typed that.

At least Diarra doesn't walk the ball up-court, but his passes can be scary. Joey, who might pass up-court more, could be an occasional point guard??? Joey is better at setting up Clingan. That is a clear benefit. Newton gets stuck and takes much to long setting up the offense. He did score some in this game, but we need some penetration from him. Our offensive sets are too easily read and show no creativeness.

At this point we have to deal with our parts and make them work for most of the game. The first half was well played. By playing more zone, especially with Clingan in the game in the second half the end result would have been a win!
These recent losses show a disturbing repeat of opponent's penetration, two points at the rim, shooting foul shots or both. Why can the coaches see this???? Man to man isn't working well, too many guards are getting beat with their recovery resulting in fouls for their them or our bigs who then have to cover the mistake.

For my senior eyes, I didn't see the adjustments the coaches made or they were ineffective.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Why was UConn defending the 3 so tightly? We should have let Seton Hall take as many as they wanted. That team can’t shoot at all.

Winning on the road is hard as Xavier learned last night. Providence, who many on the board had anointed as Big East champion, lost its last two games, both on the road to good teams. It is ok to be mad about the St. John’s loss, but the board losing its collective spit over a 1 point loss on the road to a good Seton Hall team is silly.

Other than that, I thought UConn was OK, Seton Hall was home and just a little better last night. Basketball often comes down to just making a handful more good plays over the course of the game than your opponent. UConn needs to increase its PPP (points per possession) just a little bit, and decrease its opponent’s PPP just a little bit, and these close losses become 8 point wins. Let’s see what Hurley comes up with.

This board is freaking out because UConn is not dominating the Big East. UConn just isn’t good enough to dominate the league, so either get over it or pick a team like Kansas as your favorite.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Actually, Joey did it in the Georgetown game.

Yes, he's an unlikely choice for what you wrote, but it's also something that happened and can be pointed to. And if you find the implications of that disturbing, that's the next conversation to have. I certainly did write this to contradict you. You are much more right than wrong.

At this point, we simply gotta start where we are.

@ChocRaisins - I meant to write "I did NOT write this to contradict you"

 

[Jay-Bone]

We need an Ndefo. Tough, no-nonsense lunch pail guy that doesn't get pushed around.

 

[scotty0330]

he is responsible! it's his program! you people are insane.

Agreed. When you get paid $2.75M everything is your responsibility that goes on with this program fair or not. You don't think its fair? Dont cash the checks

 

[Billy Jack]

Why was UConn defending the 3 so tightly? We should have let Seton Hall take as many as they wanted. That team can’t shoot at all.

Winning on the road is hard as Xavier learned last night. Providence, who many on the board had anointed as Big East champion, lost its last two games, both on the road to good teams. It is ok to be mad about the St. John’s loss, but the board losing its collective spit over a 1 point loss on the road to a good Seton Hall team is silly.

Other than that, I thought UConn was OK, Seton Hall was home and just a little better last night. Basketball often comes down to just making a handful more good plays over the course of the game than your opponent. UConn needs to increase its PPP (points per possession) just a little bit, and decrease its opponent’s PPP just a little bit, and these close losses become 8 point wins. Let’s see what Hurley comes up with.

This board is freaking out because UConn is not dominating the Big East. UConn just isn’t good enough to dominate the league, so either get over it or pick a team like Kansas as your favorite.

Good points, Nelson. We play in a league like this precisely so we can run a gauntlet of tough games. A stretch like the one we’ve just been through is what prepares a team for the tournament. A team like ours can just as easily turn it around and win 5 out of the next 6 as quickly as they lost 5 out of 6.

With regard to your comment about guarding the 3 tightly against a team that doesn’t shoot the 3 well, I think this team does that because it’s a matter of going to their strength to exploit an opponent’s weakness. Seton Hall came into this game, hitting 31% of their 3’s, which is bad. But our D held them to an even worse 19%. If they had shot the 3 at their normal rate, they would have hit 3 more from the arc. That would have been 9 more points and it wouldn’t have been a close game. So, guarding the 3 tightly instead of laying off those perimeter shooters, paid off.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

We need an Ndefo. Tough, no-nonsense lunch pail guy that doesn't get pushed around.

a.k.a., a Whaley

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Good points, Nelson. We play in a league like this precisely so we can run a gauntlet of tough games. A stretch like the one we’ve just been through is what prepares a team for the tournament. A team like ours can just as easily turn it around and win 5 out of the next 6 as quickly as they lost 5 out of 6.

With regard to your comment about guarding the 3 tightly against a team that doesn’t shoot the 3 well, I think this team does that because it’s a matter of going to their strength to exploit an opponent’s weakness. Seton Hall came into this game, hitting 31% of their 3’s, which is bad. But our D held them to an even worse 19%. If they had shot the 3 at their normal rate, they would have hit 3 more from the arc. That would have been 9 more points and it wouldn’t have been a close game. So, guarding the 3 tightly instead of laying off those perimeter shooters, paid off.

If UConn had not defended the 3 so tightly they could have fouled less and cut off penetration to the basket. SHU's guards are much more dangerous off the dribble penetration than they are chucking 3's.

 

[connVA]

1) Yeah Sanogo has to do better. Try to help with the boxout that Andre was attempting.

2) This angle just makes me so annoyed about how unlucky it was. The shot literally drops straight down directly into the hands of the only player on their team on the inside of 4 of our guys. Even if it's a long rebound, there's only 2 seconds left and there may not have been enough time to even get a decent shot off.

Comically inexcusable

 

[connVA]

At least Diarra doesn't walk the ball up-court, but his passes can be scary. Joey, who might pass up-court more, could be an occasional point guard??? Joey is better at setting up Clingan. That is a clear benefit. Newton gets stuck and takes much to long setting up the offense. He did score some in this game, but we need some penetration from him. Our offensive sets are too easily read and show no creativeness.

At this point we have to deal with our parts and make them work for most of the game. The first half was well played. By playing more zone, especially with Clingan in the game in the second half the end result would have been a win!
These recent losses show a disturbing repeat of opponent's penetration, two points at the rim, shooting foul shots or both. Why can the coaches see this???? Man to man isn't working well, too many guards are getting beat with their recovery resulting in fouls for their them or our bigs who then have to cover the mistake.

For my senior eyes, I didn't see the adjustments the coaches made or they were ineffective.

What is sad is that even if you Frankensteined Newton (driving ability), Joey (outside shot, passing), and Diarra (energy and defense) together, you’d still have what should only be a backup in a league like the NBE. No point in including Alleyne in that equation at this point.

 

[PAHusky]

What is sad is that even if you Frankensteined Newton (driving ability), Joey (outside shot, passing), and Diarra (energy and defense) together, you’d still have what should only be a backup in a league like the NBE. No point in including Alleyne in that equation at this point.

This is the hard truth. We don't have any actual answers here.

Joey C is not good enough to start at pg for us. When his 3's don't fall he doesn't contribute offensively (he turns it over as frequently as he has a nice assist) and he gets routinely cooked on defense. Diarra can't shoot and just looks like he can drive because of how bad Newton and Joey are at that. He's also not as good as everyone thinks on D, again just looks good as he's the best of a bad bunch. Newton is probably the most talented but his two options are 1. 3 pointer or 2. slow drive to the rim and hope to get fouled. He's also putting in half an effort on D.

AJax can't play guard because he can't really play anything right now. Everyone in the building knows he can't shoot, he doesn't even pretend to, which means even though he does have good vision it doesn't matter because he's telegraphing everything. He's got more turnovers than assists. He can't get to the rim, can't really shoot, etc. Defensively he's more intent on showing off his hops than actually playing smart D.

The real problem here- we're counting on an incoming freshman (albeit a highly ranked one) who seems like more of a combo guard and that's about it. We could go back to the portal well again but that's a tough pull with a top ten pg coming in.

Castle looks like a fantastic player. It may be imperative for Dan Hurley's future at UConn that he's exactly what we need next year.

 

[freshler40]

Good points, Nelson. We play in a league like this precisely so we can run a gauntlet of tough games. A stretch like the one we’ve just been through is what prepares a team for the tournament. A team like ours can just as easily turn it around and win 5 out of the next 6 as quickly as they lost 5 out of 6.

With regard to your comment about guarding the 3 tightly against a team that doesn’t shoot the 3 well, I think this team does that because it’s a matter of going to their strength to exploit an opponent’s weakness. Seton Hall came into this game, hitting 31% of their 3’s, which is bad. But our D held them to an even worse 19%. If they had shot the 3 at their normal rate, they would have hit 3 more from the arc. That would have been 9 more points and it wouldn’t have been a close game. So, guarding the 3 tightly instead of laying off those perimeter shooters, paid off.

Where do all our misses at the rim figure in this????

 

[storrsroars]

AJax can't play guard because he can't really play anything right now. Everyone in the building knows he can't shoot, he doesn't even pretend to, which means even though he does have good vision it doesn't matter because he's telegraphing everything. He's got more turnovers than assists. He can't get to the rim, can't really shoot, etc. Defensively he's more intent on showing off his hops than actually playing smart D.

It's fine to complain. There's plenty to complain about. But making crap up out of thin air is not a good look.

First, if Jax "telegraphed" everything, then why the hell can't Sanogo anticipate and actually catch his passes.

Second, how does someone average 4.6 assists per game and only 1.8 turnovers per game and have "more turnovers than assists".

Really stupid post.

 

[Hurleyman216]

I will add that it doesn’t help that apparently playing UConn is Kadari Richmond’s Super Bowl. The guy isn’t that good, but he torches us for 20 points every time we play him. Look back at his previous games and he’s putting up 4 points, 8 points, etc.

 

[alphasigko]

The Sanogo offense has to be done with. Single-handedly lost us this game.

And 3 of the other 4

 

[alphasigko]

How in the hell do you not get that rebound in the end?

Why no DC on the floor after the TO?

 

[PAHusky]

It's fine to complain. There's plenty to complain about. But making crap up out of thin air is not a good look.

First, if Jax "telegraphed" everything, then why the hell can't Sanogo anticipate and actually catch his passes.

Second, how does someone average 4.6 assists per game and only 1.8 turnovers per game and have "more turnovers than assists".

Really stupid post.

thanks for your constructive feedback.

You're right, saying he has more turnovers than assists was hyperbole. Doesn't change the fact that he's a complete zero on offense right now and his passing has become predictable and overrated.

Sanogo can't catch his passes because 1. he throws half of them too hard and 2. Sanogo has hands like feet.

For a guy that can't score, he's not a good enough passer to be garnering playing time.

have a great day!