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There are seniors on the team who make the same mistakes. For example Ono at the beginning of the game. Double dribble at top of key. Geno keeps saying we have no depth. Geno, sir, this is your bench, your depth, coach them up.
He is "coaching them up." But you want to see one version that you prefer of "coaching up" yet the HOF coach with 13 consecutive Final Fours and 11 National Championships has a much different way of coaching them up than yours.
 
He’s doing it to preempt future fouls to his star player. Coaches do that all the time even when (sometimes especially when) it is clearly an accidental/unintentional foul. They are attempting to imprint on the referee the sure and certain expectation that they (the refs) can expect a serious tantrum if they get lax on calling fouls against the star player, especially those fouls that may be rough or potentially dangerous to that player. Of course they are also concerned about all the other players as well but they (coaches) are particularly sensitive about their star, especially when that star is fairly slight/small and thus might be the deliberate target of rough or intimidating play in an effort to physically affect her/his performance.
that's great if the refs weren't looking back at the play and clearly saw that was accidental. Refs aren't going to be intimidated no matter how many rings Geno has. Refs are there to do the best job possible they can, if a foul is a foul they will call it.
 
see I always saw that differently. I never thought of it being about Paige, I thought about the rest of the team. Paige is not a fast player imo, there are other players that have been at Uconn 3-4 seasons, another player would technically be a senior if she played her whole career at Uconn. Why are they getting outworked by a sophomore? I won't mention any names, but some of the players in their games you can see why they are inconsistent. Either they don't have the strength to keep up, or they don't have the work ethic.
I think it’s telling that Paige said recently that they need to be dawgs and killers on the court and nice off it. We have three seniors that should be leaders. Right now we don’t have dawgs where she trusts in. Not even Geno is giving that confidence to us fans . In a timeout he told Paige to shoot every time she’s open. Because we are not good enough right now to experiments every Possession is important. We have very good players but need one or two more consistent battle ready players that Paige can say hey let’s go and dominate. I believe Azzi can be that amazing shooter that she will defer to, but I mean right now we need a post or two to show out and unfortunately we don’t have any ready to step up. We need that inside game otherwise we will need Jordanesque games by Paige to even have a shot against great teams with inside post players and good guards like SC.
 
Negativity abounds after a 25 point win. It is very unusual for fan expectations to be steeped in reality and Uconn fans are no different.
Ono and Williams are what they are, good players but after three years many still expect them to be something they are not. Westbrook, in my mind is much the same, a good player. Edwards appears to be much the same player as last year, I see little improvement, certainly none in the energy department. All four have holes in their games and are prone to disappear at times.
Bueckers to me has improved significantly, significantly, especially on defense. On offense, she also seems to understand that she needs to look for her own shot and she is doing it much more than last year.
So the bench, and here is where I think Auriemma’s major weakness is showing. The idea of earning time in practice is fine, obviously, but what that means exactly is different to different people. If Ducharme has the skills he has said she has, and hustles and shows those skills in practice then she needs to get minutes to relax and get comfortable on the court. Not at crunch time, but what exactly is the purpose giving 30 to 30+ minutes to four starters in a 25 point blowout? Now one could make the argument that was because of the 11 day layoff but I don’t buy it, that coaching style has been Auriemma’s MO for a long time.
Nika Muhl has also shown, in limited opportunities, to be much the same player as last year. To those who want to judge players by their scoring, she should never get a minute at this level. But there is more to the game than scoring and that is where IMO, her value lies. First, her defense, her energy and aggressiveness; in the minutes she was in the game last night, Park-Lane did next to nothing, Seton Hall’s offense started a couple of feet further out or became bogged down trying to get the ball to her again after she gave it up. I would be remiss if I didn’t note that Bueckers also hounded her very, very effectively when she was on her. Which brings me to my second point regarding Muhl, and it directly concerns Bueckers; it is VERY difficult to have a true team offensive flow when your point guard is also your primary scorer, never mind the effort Bueckers expends on defense and rebounding. I usually don’t go there but late in the game Bueckers went to the ground near one of the benches in a scrum with a SHU player and I couldn’t help but think what a disaster it would be if she got hurt late still on the court in a blowout. I think moving Bueckers over to the 2 is a move that would best serve the team on several levels and have thought and posted that more than once.
Which brings me to Fudd. I have no idea how good she is or can be. I don’t care what she did in HS, in four games at this level she had one great stand still shooting game and did little else in the other three, while showing to be a major liability on defense. Now that very well may be because of injuries, or maybe the several injuries she evidently has had has slowed her down to the point she is just not quick enough to be effective at this level as anything other than a stand still shooter. For any who take offense, I will be the first to say that four games is absolutely nowhere near enough to make anything resembling a solid opinion, it is nothing more than a first impression.
For anyone else on the team, how can anyone judge them since they don’t play?
In short, my feeling is to develop depth and team chemistry you need to play depth and stop chasing “the perfect game”. Players need to sometimes play through mistakes, especially young players and I think it is very counter productive to let starters play through mistakes, many the same over and over, while yanking reserves after any and all.
I think this is a good overall analysis.
Regarding Fudd, I have had the same thought as you.
Her high school injuries were very serious. We’re they serious enough to permanently diminish her physical
abilities?
 
I get the main point but it sounded to me like Stephanie said "Get Stewie the Ball". I can definitely see a half time interview with CW, Liv or Evina" saying " Need to get Paige the Ball" :rolleyes:
That was not the main point. The reporter started the question talking about the importance of Senior leadership. My Main point is that this team is lacking it. The question posed to Dolson was: "What are you going to tell them ( your teammates at half time)." Imagine that a senior leader addressing the team in a tough situation. Third and most important point: The message was not let's get the ball to Stewie. What Dolson said was that she plan to tell Stewie that she needs to step up and make some shot. That is a leader challenging the teams best player to step up. Do you really envision anyone on this team doing that to Paige?
 
I don't care what ND does. UCONN plays ND tomorrow. Do you want Caroline to play or not?

I think Caroline should get at least 20 minutes of PT. When Citron and Azzi were playing USA basketball last year I thought Citron was the better prospect but Azzi had her injury back then and she is still playing almost exactly like she played on USA basketball late last year. Azzi is not the same player she was when she was 15. She needs to get healthy. And Caroline may not be at Citron's level right now but she is in the ballpark. She needs PT to improve. What is the point of putting players on the court who do not have the potential to be major contributors in March? We are going to need Caroline. She's a little bigger than Citron and I'm fine with the matchup. Citron probably wins that matchup but frankly the only player we have at her ability is Paige and maybe CW. We need to put players on the floor who can MAYBE win a championship. The sooner the better. More PT for Gorka also.
 
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Geno said it all after the game. “Paige can take over a game but it’s not enough”. I don’t know what has happened to this team. It’s not rust. The talent discrepancy in this game was huge. But those turnovers against this team makes you wonder where their minds are at. Paige can win the BE by herself. But it ends there. We know they are better than this because we have seen the same players play like a a well oiled machine. It’s not physical. Do they have a team shrink?
Agreed.I've been saying that over and over. From my experience it seems all mental. They aren't handling the expectations well, which comes especially playing at UConn. I know most of the team played last year but consider how they played- in a vacuum so to speak, but freely.The focus on Paige took the spotlight off, plus no fans, limited press interaction. So it set up to not be prepared for the heat of the spotlight.

Another part of the issue I believe was coming in as freshmen and having to start not usually how it's done at UConn (with some exceptions), no bench when they arrived so no time to acclimate learn from upperclassmen. When Maya and DT came in they had the benefit of a working team and experienced PG to learn from. We have 4 Upperclassmen- who really haven't had much impact (as yet galvanizing this team) Paige is the only one I see trying to lead the Squad be vocal. Whatever they're doing in practice its not being effectively translated on the court. To have to work so hard to fire up the competitive juices in what the players claim to be a pivotal season is just....idk.
 
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Stop making excuses and trying to change how Geno runs the the team. Caroline was put into the game yesterday ironically because Christyn Williams was not playing well at 7:07. That was less than 3 minutes into the game and UCONN was leading 7 to 6. Caroline was sub out @ 4:31. That's 2:36 of game time in which Caroline committed two fouls, missed a 3Pt shot and committed a turnover which enabled SH to take a 13 to 7 lead. That's correct UCONN did not score with Caroline on the floor during this stretch. What in Haties are you asking Geno to do, leave her in the game to dig a bigger hole? Since when is putting a player into the game less than 3 minutes in considered a daily kick in the pants?
It's actually Hades and you are 100% correct. I was at the game. The look on her face was " I don't want to be here". She looks at the bench after every mistake. Waiting for the other shoe to drop. It did. He had to take her out.
 
The Seton Hall game put the SC game in context, elevated my appreciation of that game and my feeling about the really good potential of UConn going forward.

UConn is right now not a very good team. Those first games were not just aberrations or rust, they were representative of where the team is. Yet for 30-35 minutes that disorganized team played SC at a high level and showed toughness and strength, despite the disarray. I suspect the ND game will not be pretty but will show that despite being a work-in-progress there is a core toughness here that will make this team something special once the natural skills begin to evidence. Unlike SC, I expect them to finish that game, pretty or not. ONO, CW, AE, Evina are not playing consistently well, no news there, but they are all playing tougher and stronger than last year. Nika, always tough, is lost (as she was early last year) but will be found. The new players are not playing weak or getting pushed around, not at all; this is very surprising to me; they are simply bewildered; that is a solvable problem.

It may be that Geno simply needs a little more time than usual to get his team cohesive.
I agree. They are certainly not an NC challenging team right now and are not a typical UCONN team at this point considering the seniors on the team. There is something amiss. I think the top weave offense is not working. Once the ball goes into a big at the top of the key, the offense becomes a 2 man movement event at best. I would love to see the 1-4 offense return and fast.

AE seems like she actually took a step back and so does Nika. Evina is too non-assertive on offense, Caroline is not ready, and Dorka is not aggressive enough. Honestly, I was pretty disappointed last night at the game and so were all the Husky fans sitting around me. I hope it was just the lay off after the SC game but there clearly was not a bounce back kick their ass fire in their eyes.
 
I attended the game v. SHU and it provided a perspective you probably can't obtain on TV. When Caroline, Nika etc were in the game, every whistle they looked to the bench to see if they were coming out. They can't play their game if the sole goal is to remain in the game. There is a lack of confidence outside of the starting 5. Most players come off the bench and offensively look for Paige or to frankly just get rid of the ball. If you aren't threatening with the ball, that doesn't help Paige or CW get open and/or score. It actually drains them of energy instead. I hope the bench becomes a threat for ND.
 
Lot of y'all are so negative. Be thankful you have Paige. That's all I have to say.
Huh..while I'm not on the negative side....I think that's the problem right there. Just saying.
 
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Agree that Liv’s double dribble to start the game was a head-scratcher, but Liv did some good things as well. Caroline dribbling off her foot, committing dumb fouls and throwing up an Airball, all in just a few minutes, reminded me of some of the kids who played in my son’s YMCA league when he was 8 yrs old.
Ouch, Oldude. When I checked last, Caroline is a Huskies freshman. That's a pretty tough comparison...
 
Understood.
Interesting numbers from last nights action:

SOUTH CAROLINA- won by 21 points
12 players saw action.
Non starters got 79 minutes

UCONN-won by 25 points
9 players saw action.
Non starters got 41 minutes

So SC won by a smaller margin but non starters saw nearly TWICE as much playing time as UConn’s.

I realize that one game is merely a snapshot, but this is a trend at UConn,and has been for quite some time.
You know how they used to teach young Spartans to swim in Ancient Greece?
They’d throw them in the deep end.
You survive, you’re closer to becoming a Spartan Warrior.
( little extreme, but you get my point?)
I watched Colorado go 8-0 immediately after the UConn game, also winning by 25, though it could have been more. Everyone played. Starters played 81 minutes. Granted it was a weak opponent and Colorado has four players who might be called the sixth (so)man and traditionally subs early and frequently. Midway through the first quarter all five on the floor were bench players but bench players were mixed in with starters thru this and earlier games and got 119 minutes. Yes, their coach thought it was not their best game but a bench player led team in scoring and third string pg scored 10. That prepares a team for tough PAC-12 competition. So let Caroline play through mistakes, put Amari in, is Mir for real? Let’s find out. So we win by 10 or 15, so what?
 
Huh..while I'm not on the negative side....I think that's the problem right there. Just saying.
You guys have 99% more talentt than all d1 schools, you have players on the bench that would start in 99% of other d1 schools, not sure why you need to be negative after a 20+ point blowout. You have one of the best players in the country.
 
As I said I'm not being negative..I've looked at it more of team chemistry and mindsets not where they need to be as a team. Yes we have the best player in the country but I need to see all that talent executing outside of the best player. High expectations..definately - they set themselves up there with the "unfinished business" talk so I don't think it's negative or unreasonable to have certain expectations. As you point out there's all that talent. Just saying
 
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The UConn staff and players should watch the Seton Hall vs St. John game. St. John, with players not as talented as UConn's, had no trouble, none, running their offense against Seton Hall. They scored nearly 80 points and won easily. Espinoza-Hunter played and made little difference. For those of you who still tout UConn's offense as effective, it is not against the better teams. It seems they know how to stop it. Some of the lesser teams slow seems to have solved it. Either that or UConn's seniors should feel bad that they have not mastered it yet because they truly struggle running it. That has been the case for the past two seasons. They have trouble getting Westbrook and Williams open shots. IMO, something needs to change. Just saying.
 
Understood.
Interesting numbers from last nights action:

SOUTH CAROLINA- won by 21 points
12 players saw action.
Non starters got 79 minutes

UCONN-won by 25 points
9 players saw action.
Non starters got 41 minutes

So SC won by a smaller margin but non starters saw nearly TWICE as much playing time as UConn’s.

I realize that one game is merely a snapshot, but this is a trend at UConn,and has been for quite some time.
You know how they used to teach young Spartans to swim in Ancient Greece?
They’d throw them in the deep end.
You survive, you’re closer to becoming a Spartan Warrior.
( little extreme, but you get my point?)
I know, right? In the important part of this is that the rosters are identical, so the comparison of the bench minutes to the starters minutes is absolutely meaningful and on point.
 
I know, right? In the important part of this is that the rosters are identical, so the comparison of the bench minutes to the starters minutes is absolutely meaningful and on point.
Azzi and Aubrey are injured.

Mir, Piath and Amari apparently are way down on the depth chart and will be likely to stay there until Geno feels Liv, Aaliyah, and Dorka don’t need as many minutes. I think he’s concentrating on those three right now to give UConn an important post presence but when they’re close to where he wants them, he can rotate in the less experienced players.

Also, Geno has said many times he doesn’t like to play someone unless he has an idea what to expect from them in a game. He most likely doesn’t want to get the team in a groove then knock it out of kilter with someone dribbling off their foot or making goofy fouls. For now, he’s trying to get his starters to stop doing that. One thing at a time.
 
Azzi and Aubrey are injured.

Mir, Piath and Amari apparently are way down on the depth chart and will be likely to stay there until Geno feels Liv, Aaliyah, and Dorka don’t need as many minutes. I think he’s concentrating on those three right now to give UConn an important post presence but when they’re close to where he wants them, he can rotate in the less experienced players.

Also, Geno has said many times he doesn’t like to play someone unless he has an idea what to expect from them in a game. He most likely doesn’t want to get the team in a groove then knock it out of kilter with someone dribbling off their foot or making goofy fouls. For now, he’s trying to get his starters to stop doing that. One thing at a time.
For what it’s worth Nan, my post with sarcasm.
 
I said this in an earlier thread after the SC game and some self professed geniuses saw fit to make some snide comments. Geno just said it in the post game interview.

If it wasnt for Paige Bueckers, this team wouldn’t even be in the top 5. Bueckers will be worn out by midseason.

The recruits are underwhelming.
Okay, but I’m not that high on the veterans either. Remember when we used to have a couple (or more) AAs year after year? I don’t see even a second all-BE first team member right now. Hopefully I’ll have to eat my words after the season.
 
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