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Senator Murphy’s Legislation on College Athletes

Every university has a department call admissions. The best thing about working in and admissions department is you don't have to have a very good reason to reject an applicant. In the case where a University thinks that boosters have paid too much for an athlete the University can reject the applicant.
So let me flip your questions around. What booster is going to pay $50K for a kid that's not going to be admitted to their favorite university. For already enrolled students free market and public disclosure could work much better than the current system of under the table payments like we seen in movies like Blue Chips. We are also only talking about two sports Men's basketball and Football.
Absolutely, gotta get the right players. Sounds like the coach, boosters, and admissions will have to get back to collaborating on "buying the groceries". Like they did back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s before the NCAA started gumming up the works with all those new rules. ;)
 
What about the "already-enrolled" students who were promised the $50K "contract" before they enrolled, to be awarded after they're in place?

BTW for the top high-end MBB and football players it's already a lot more than $50K
:eek: Him you should kick out of school right away! Anyone who would operate on a $50K promise and not get the money up front doesn't have much potential=not college material.
 
I believe the top schools will only prosper from this legislation for the simple reason that the handful of top HS athletes like Paige, will have an even greater incentive to attend “high profile” universities where their print & media exposure will be significantly greater.
Agree. Without couching it I would more plainly say high profile schools would appeal to the recruit by literally showing them their proposed marketing plan to get them exposure.
 
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Why stop in college include high school too. If an athlete is good enough they can go to any hs they choose if the money is right Same thing for AAU ball and other travel teams. lol
 
Every university has a department call admissions. The best thing about working in and admissions department is you don't have to have a very good reason to reject an applicant. In the case where a University thinks that boosters have paid too much for an athlete the University can reject the applicant.
So let me flip your questions around. What booster is going to pay $50K for a kid that's not going to be admitted to their favorite university. For already enrolled students free market and public disclosure could work much better than the current system of under the table payments like we seen in movies like Blue Chips. We are also only talking about two sports Men's basketball and Football.
In my suggestion, it's the lure of booster money that convinces the student to attend. Since it can be done out in the open, there will be no need to pay the student athlete until they are accepted and enrolled.
Out in the open and full disclosure just means a school doesn't have to worry anymore.
 
I agree, when and if this happens I will no longer support the sport and search elsewhere for my entertainment.
I'm with you Moose .. and it's why I no longer follow pro sports, nor mens' college basketball and football .. i m perfectly content following womens' college hoops [which my daughters played] and boys and girls high school sports .. I feel that TV [money] has caused a lot of trouble...
 
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To not be in favor of this is to be absurd.

How many college athletes with promising professional aspirations had their career hijacked by an injury or other such setback, and were thus unable to realize their life's financial potential?

How much of a "learning institution's" budget is funded by the sweat of athletes?

I don't want to drop the "S" word about this, but I think you know where I'm coming from...
 
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To not be in favor of this is to be absurd.

How many college athletes with promising professional aspirations had their career hijacked by an injury or other such setback, and were thus unable to realize their life's financial potential?

How much of a "learning institution's" budget is funded by the sweat of athletes?

I don't want to drop the "S" word about this, but I think you know where I'm coming from...
Speaking for myself, it's not that I'm not in favor of it, but how does it get enacted and subsequently not abused by those with money? For you to label something as absurd because they don't see an issue the same way as you is also absurd.
All of them are student athletes. They are given a full education in trade for playing a sport. If the student athlete gets injured, the scholarships are almost always, if not always, continued. The student athlete still has the opportunity to get a degree and make the most of their life. Just because they can't play a given sport anymore doesn't mean they can't fulfill their life's potential. How many CEOs played pro sports? To be fair, most pro basketball players do not do it in the NBA. I don't know how much they make overseas, but it's not NBA money.
The S word is just silly. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement. In many instances the student athlete is given an opportunity that they may not have gotten based off their high school academics. Nobody is being forced to go to college, it is a choice.
 
So, will the athletes now be required to pick up the tab for their education, instead of receiving a multiple 10's of thousand dollar education in exchange for engaging in their chosen sport? IMHO, this is just another bad idea...
 
The cry of those mean colleges taking advantage of its players is absurd. No one would even go to see those games if they were not associated with their respective colleges. You can gage the value of those teams by comparing them to the lower professional leagues. Players who play for any team other than the top professional teams get paid very little id anything at all. Even the top professional league except fot baseball popularity was fueled by the popularity of college games.

It is not the quality of the team that gives the college game value. Most simi pro teams are better. Rather it is the market value of the alumni that dictates TV value. Which is why ND was still on a national TV network each week even when the team was not that good. Just observe how many peope pay to see simi pro teams in basketball. National TV has ruined the market value for local teams.

If players start getting paid, then teams will just become simi pro teams using the schools facilities. The actual conection to the schools and the support it garners will be lost. You can see this in many professional teams over seas that are affilliated with colleges. They need to be financed by cities of corporations.
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Speaking for myself, it's not that I'm not in favor of it, but how does it get enacted and subsequently not abused by those with money? For you to label something as absurd because they don't see an issue the same way as you is also absurd.
All of them are student athletes. They are given a full education in trade for playing a sport. If the student athlete gets injured, the scholarships are almost always, if not always, continued. The student athlete still has the opportunity to get a degree and make the most of their life. Just because they can't play a given sport anymore doesn't mean they can't fulfill their life's potential. How many CEOs played pro sports? To be fair, most pro basketball players do not do it in the NBA. I don't know how much they make overseas, but it's not NBA money.
The S word is just silly. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement. In many instances the student athlete is given an opportunity that they may not have gotten based off their high school academics. Nobody is being forced to go to college, it is a choice.
The points you raise are valid, and have been argued by the proponents of the current system for many years. But the current system is broken. At many big time schools the “student” part of the student-athlete experience has been subjugated to a year round focus on football or basketball.

At P-5 schools in particular, football & basketball generate over $15 billion in direct revenue from ticket sales, broadcast revenue & merchandise sales, and that’s before including substantial support from alumni contributions to schools that finance everything from athletic scholarships and coach’s salaries to upgraded facilities.

The massive business of college sports is built on the foundation of the athletes themselves and the one sided bargain which favors the institutions that make millions off of their labor. This would not be tolerated in any other business in America. IMO, it is time for this business to change.
 
The massive business of college sports is built on the foundation of the athletes themselves and the one sided bargain which favors the institutions that make millions off of their labor. This would not be tolerated in any other business in America. IMO, it is time for this business to change.
I agree with your point that it is broken and that schools must do a better job on the academic experience. But like most academic experiences, some of that is on the student as well. You get out what you put in. Emeka is an example of a driven student who got out of college what he put into it.

I do disagree with the statement quoted above. Every big business makes millions off the backs of their laborers. Small businesses also make money off the backs of their laborers. The differences across the businesses is what the laborers get paid. At McDonald's or a mom and pop shop it may be minimum wage. In pro sports it's much higher. In the case of college sports, they get a free education and a diploma that also carries additional earnings vs a high school grad. Right now 4 years at UConn for in state with no aid is over $120K.
 
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I agree with your point that it is broken and that schools must do a better job on the academic experience. But like most academic experiences, some of that is on the student as well. You get out what you put in. Emeka is an example of a driven student who got out of college what he put into it.

I do disagree with the statement quoted above. Every big business makes millions off the backs of their laborers. Small businesses also make money off the backs of their laborers. The differences across the businesses is what the laborers get paid. At McDonald's or a mom and pop shop it may be minimum wage. In pro sports it's much higher. In the case of college sports, they get a free education and a diploma that also carries additional earnings vs a high school grad. Right now 4 years at UConn for in state with no aid is over $120K.
The other businesses you reference are all subject to collective bargaining laws. The NCAA is not. The other obvious point is that employees in any of these businesses can seek employment, and higher compensation elsewhere. NCAA athletes are basically subject to the same rules at every school in the country.

In her 2014 decision in the Ed Obannon case, in which EA Sports paid licensing fees to the NCAA for the rights to use former players “likenesses” in their video games, without compensation to these now ex-college athletes, Judge Wilkens ruled that the NCAA was engaged in “an unreasonable restraint of trade in violation of antitrust laws.”
 
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I believe the top schools will only prosper from this legislation for the simple reason that the handful of top HS athletes like Paige, will have an even greater incentive to attend “high profile” universities where their print & media exposure will be significantly greater.
If we believe in free markets and currently do allow anybody with a lemonade stand to make money, this change is in our future. Yes, a scholarship counts and should but beyond that for the top athletes, who in major sports only play a year or two, such rewards to other student won't account for much. Coaches make tons of money now in Div 1 top sports. How to allocate the enormous TV pool fairly will be a challenge. Most schools lose money on paper due to the funny allocation of scholarship moneys and other operating costs. The fans/taxpayers are duped into viewing such losses as real. A normal business could have closed years ago.

Consolidation of top players in top colligate sports has been going on for a long time and just continues. The rich get richer.
 
The other businesses you reference are all subject to collective bargaining laws. The NCAA is not. The other obvious point is that employees in any of these businesses can seek employment, and higher compensation elsewhere. NCAA athletes are basically subject to the same rules at every school in the country.
Nobody is making them go to a college. It is in their best interest if they have professional aspirations given the quality of play and visibility, but they don't have to go. LaMelo Ball left high school before his junior year and played professionally in Lithuania. I assume there are other options as well. They have other options.
 
Nobody is making them go to a college. It is in their best interest if they have professional aspirations given the quality of play and visibility, but they don't have to go. LaMelo Ball left high school before his junior year and played professionally in Lithuania. I assume there are other options as well. They have other options.
We all have options. Players like Lebron James, who skip college and go directly to the pros, are exceedingly rare. In college football, such players don’t even exist. This has nothing to do with individual choice. It is all about a system that is set up to exploit athletes so that colleges, tv networks and other entities can make millions of dollars. There is something hypocritical and frankly, un-American about such a system.

As someone pointed out, we live in a free market system. The NCAA has made its case for special protection all the way to the Supreme Court, and they have lost. Whether anyone likes it or not, the day when college athletes can earn money off their name, image or likeness is coming.

I do agree that navigating this brave new world will be like traversing a minefield. There will be abuses. But the courts have made it clear to the NCAA that they had better figure it out.
 
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Nobody is making them go to a college. It is in their best interest if they have professional aspirations given the quality of play and visibility, but they don't have to go. LaMelo Ball left high school before his junior year and played professionally in Lithuania. I assume there are other options as well. They have other options.
The NBA and the NFL are certainly not making them go to college but it is limiting their options by imposing draft eligible restrictions such as age. Contrast that with MLB where a player can be drafted right out of high school and DOES NOT lose the option of playing NCAA baseball.
 
What it means is the schools with the ability to provide the highest profile to a student-athlete will get first dibs on the top talent. The more marketing and exposure a school can offer, the more money making potential for a prospective recruit. It would just be one more thing to add to the overall package a school could offer. A coach could say if you come to our university, we'll offer you the best coaching, training, TV exposure, marketing, biggest potential to make money, and way way down on the list in small letters a top notch education. There would of course be corruption with such an arrangement, but we'll put that aside for a moment. Imagine what this would do for the top football schools like Ohio State or Alabama? I think the impact is less in basketball because teams are much smaller, the talent is less specialized and is forced to disperse across many schools. It would help steer the top shelf talent to the schools with the largest media footprints ultimately.
"Paige don't go to UConn and make a paltry 500K a year. Here at Texas we can get you to 5 mil a year." Said a Texas Booster.
 
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We all have options. Players like Lebron James, who skip college and go directly to the pros, are exceedingly rare. In college football, such players don’t even exist. This has nothing to do with individual choice. It is all about a system that is set up to exploit athletes so that colleges, tv networks and other entities can make millions of dollars. There is something hypocritical and frankly, un-American about such a system.

As someone pointed out, we live in a free market system. The NCAA has made its case for special protection all the way to the Supreme Court, and they have lost. Whether anyone likes it or not, the day when college athletes can earn money off their name, image or likeness is coming.

I do agree that navigating this brave new world will be like traversing a minefield. There will be abuses. But the courts have made it clear to the NCAA that they had better figure it out.
Since 2006 NBA Players have not been allow to go from HS straight to NBA- Agree that this is entirely Un-American.
 
"Paige don't go to UConn and make a paltry 500K a year. Here at Texas we can get you to 5 mil a year." Said a Texas Booster.
That might be true in football, but not in WBB.
 
Since 2006 NBA Players have not been allow to go from HS straight to NBA- Agree that this is entirely Un-American.
Yes, I was aware. This change was the result of a number of high profile players skipping college only to crash and burn in the pros, as well as pro teams not being particularly fond of throwing big money at untested HS kids.

I’m sure you’re familiar with the name Sebastian Telfair, who actually hung around the NBA or International ball for 13 seasons, signing with 13 different teams over that period of time.

Telfair skipped college, and while he made a few dollars chasing his basketball dream, legal and financial problems eventually derailed his career. He is now appealing a weapons conviction that includes a 3.5 year prison sentence.
 
College athletes making money is a slippery slope, a VERY slippery slope.
Yes it is. But there is so much money around college sports today that some athletes are already sliding down that slope, albeit under the table. While I’m not naive to the potential pitfalls, my hope would be that if you bring college athlete compensation out in the open, perhaps colleges can better monitor and manage the situation.
 
Yes, I was aware. This change was the result of a number of high profile players skipping college only to crash and burn in the pros, as well as pro teams not being particularly fond of throwing big money at untested HS kids.

I’m sure you’re familiar with the name Sebastian Telfair, who actually hung around the NBA or International ball for 13 seasons, signing with 13 different teams over that period of time.

Telfair skipped college, and while he made a few dollars chasing his basketball dream, legal and financial problems eventually derailed his career. He is now appealing a weapons conviction that includes a 3.5 year prison sentence.
I'm indeed familiar with Sebastian Telfair and may others that have made several bad "life" choices. I don't believe you can effectively teach people to make better life choices by restricting their options. In contrast to Telfair there have been several NBA players who have made the decision to go to the NBA straight out of high school and have been very successful: You previously mentioned Lebron, Kevin Garnett, Moses Malone did and that Icon Kobe didn't do so bad for himself either. You can also contrast that with NBA players that spent a great deal of time in college and eventually flamed out.-Dolonte West was homeless and struggling with weapons charges & mental issues much more serious than Telfair.
 
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I'm indeed familiar with Sebastian Telfair and may others that have made several bad "life" choices. I don't believe you can effectively teach people to make better life choices by restricting their options. In contrast to Telfair there have been several NBA players who have made the decision to go to the NBA straight out of high school and have been very successful: You previously mentioned Lebron, Kevin Garnett, Moses Malone did and that Icon Kobe didn't do so bad for himself either. You can also contrast that with NBA players that spent a great deal of time in college and eventually flamed out.-Dolonte West was homeless and struggling with weapons charges & mental issues much more serious than Telfair.
You hit on some of the NBA successes. For every success, there’s a Kwame Brown who crashed and burned.

For what it’s worth, I like the way the NBA is now handling this issue with the Professional Development program through the G-League. In effect, if a top HS kid doesn’t want to go to college, the NBA has created their version of baseball’s minor league.
 
The timing of all this is just great with legalize gambling online now. If you think gambling money won't be involved in all this then you are dreaming.
 
College athletes making money is a slippery slope, a VERY slippery slope.
Nah..... The real slippery slope is the (upwards mostly) trajectory of some of these obese coaches salaries.
From 10 years ago and is gotten worse since:
If coaches are getting paid this much from NON-UNIVERSITY sources of funding then the player should be compensated something. We can argue about how much something is but please don't digress to a discussion of the cost of room and board and tuitions. Because then I have to bring up something called "incremental" cost which is the true cost to the University of adding 1 more student.
The basketball team ad Duke is going to wear what ever shoe the university and Coach K decides. Coach K should get to pocket an extra $1M/year because that shoe happens to be Nike.
 
You hit on some of the NBA successes. For every success, there’s a Kwame Brown who crashed and burned.

For what it’s worth, I like the way the NBA is now handling this issue with the Professional Development program through the G-League. In effect, if a top HS kid doesn’t want to go to college, the NBA has created their version of baseball’s minor league.
The G league is a joke of a band aid. For every Kwame Brown there was a successful NBA story of HS to professional. Jalen Rose has this saying: You are not a failure if you can afford to buy your Mama a house". Not only was Kwame Brown able to buy his momma a house but with his first NBA contract he was able to acquire enough wealth for his parents, himself, and his kids=3 generations. That's not a failure in my book. It is a great American story. In America you get to make personal choices some of which turn out to be bad and others that turn out to be good. College is not the right answer for everyone.
 
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The G league is a joke of a band aid. For every Kwame Brown there was a successful NBA story of HS to professional. Jalen Rose has this saying: You are not a failure if you can afford to buy your Mama a house". Not only was Kwame Brown able to buy his momma a house but with his first NBA contract he was able to acquire enough wealth for his parents, himself, and his kids=3 generations. That's not a failure in my book. It is a great American story, where you get to make personal choices some of which turn out to be bad and others that turn out to be good. College is not the right answer for everyone.
Your opinion on the G League is hardly a universally held consensus. One of the reasons the NBA started the Professional Development program was to keep top HS kids from heading overseas. At present, the poster kid for this program is Jalen Green, who can earn almost a million dollars before eventually being drafted into the NBA. Many pro scouts believe Green could go #1.

Beyond a top HS kid like Green, the G League has been a springboard for lots of players who would not otherwise have made it to the NBA. Adrian Griffin, Aubrey’s dad, went undrafted out of Seton Hall, banged around in the G League for a few years, parlayed that into an 8 yr journeyman career in the NBA and ultimately ended up as an Ast Coach for the Raptors.

Another player with a connection to UConn WBB is Piath’s brother Wenyen. After a couple years at KY, Wenyen took the G League route and has now earned a roster spot with the Pelicans.

You can dismiss the G League all you want, but for many players it provides an essential opportunity for them to successfully live out their dream in the NBA.
 
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First thing I want to point out is that a gift of $50K is illegal right for anyone ( not just athletes) unless Uncle Sam get his cut .
You probably can't fully control this but here are some possible partial solutions.
1) Make the athletes employees of the university. As employees of the University the players would then be subject to an agreement to report all outside compensation. The university can then set a limit on this compensation by simply saying if you are making >$ ( Pick a number ) in outside compensation your employment agreement is terminated because clearly you don't need us. 2) Treat the $50K as taxable income reported to the IRS=not reporting it make this a federal crime.
Love you Coco, but strongly disagree.

1) The $50k in that scenario would be compensation from the booster, probably reported on a IRS form 1099 (and yeah Uncle Sam still gets his piece as he would with any other income.)
2) Making athletes employees of the University would be a disaster. They'd probably come under collective bargaining agreements which would make removal problematic. (Consider that Kevin Ollie is still "arbitrating" his removal from 3 years ago.)
3) What university is going to cap outside income? Why would a top recruit go somewhere where his image remuneration is limited?
 
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