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Self Imposed Sanctions

Jay Bilas has had more to say about Ollie's so called "injustice" over the last year than the debacles at North Carolina, Louisville and Michigan St. He has had a bee in his bonnet for a while. He loves to cherry pick a few "noble" causes to make him look like a champion for the less fortunate, but just like Dickie V he chooses to ignore all the major indescretions from the major schools. I mean Vitale is still trying to convince people Pitino is clean and deserving of another shot. Its pathetic.
 
uconnphil2016 said:
I’m imagining this football PSA was keyion dixon? Glastonbury kid. That’s the only name I can think of that makes sense unless it was an AOF kid who didn’t end up coming to UConn
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O’Reilly is also a Glastonbury kid who played football with Jalen
 
so this means that Uconn can't play in the American tournament this year yes? If so there goes any chance of me watching, just can't watch the rest of the conference if Uconn is not in it
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Oh god. Things are different outside the Boneyard bubble.

The most noteworthy thing about all of this is that it’s not even good cheating.
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Ya, that is my point. It is not good cheating, on Ollies part, so stop taking his side and slamming UConn.
 
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Jaker said:
These NCAA rules are pretty stupid , the fact that Ray or Rudy can't face time a recruit is a joke. Its not like they took the kid out and wine and dined him.
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Regardless, he knew the rules or at least should have, and broke them anyway. So he is either criminal or monumentally incompetent and stupid. Either way he is responsible and wrong.
 
socal613ws said:
so this means that Uconn can't play in the American tournament this year yes? If so there goes any chance of me watching, just can't watch the rest of the conference if Uconn is not in it
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huh? nothing here has to do with post-season play. Way to read the title of the thread then jump to the last page to throw in your two cents. Love it.
 
UCfor3 said:
Regardless, he knew the rules or at least should have, and broke them anyway. So he is either criminal or monumentally incompetent and stupid. Either way he is responsible and wrong.
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Had he been winning, it would not be an issue, just like it was not an issue with Calhoun.
 
Jaker said:
Had he been winning, it would not be an issue, just like it was not an issue with Calhoun.
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But it was an issue with Calhoun and the program was punished for it by the NCAA hence the clause in Ollie's contract. The University did not want a repeat performance. Ollie knew it was there, signed it, and still broke the rules despite his choir boy image. And by the way, the clause says you CAN fire someone for cause, not that you HAVE to. Of course winning matters. This is major college sports with millions of dollars on the line. This is not a moral or sentimental argument. It's a legal and practical one.
 
When the Ollie team called Ollie's firing racist, I said this was "legalese". Attorneys being attorneys

Now I agree with Ollie's Attorney, this move by UConn is about "legalese". They're hoping this gives them more weight in their "just cause" argument.

I think UConn's argument is better than Ollie's with regard to these two statements, at least they have a hook to hang their hat on while Ollie's is really kinda silly, but I just don't put much weight on this stuff.

With regard to sanctions, I'm not really concerned about them given what we know, but the NCAA is not very reliable, consistent or predictable.

This is all just part of the ongoing legal process we all should know is going to continue
 
willie99 said:
... Now I agree with Ollie's Attorney, this move by UConn is about "legalese". They're hoping this gives them more weight in their "just cause" argument.
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It’s more about having a specific timeframe to formally respond to the NCAA’s Notice of Allegations (it’s normally within 90 days but exceptions are granted). Believe the NOI hit very end of September.
 
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OK, but this is all part of their plan from the beginning. Fire Ollie, talk to a fired former assistant coach, get dirt, tell the NCAA, then self impose low level sanctions.

I'm happy Hurley is our coach, I'm just talking about the process. And unlike so many other people on the internet, I DON'T have any sources :). Just an opinion
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Oh god. Things are different outside the Boneyard bubble.

The most noteworthy thing about all of this is that it’s not even good cheating.
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Yeah if you’re gonna FaceTime why Ray? How about Stormy Daniels?
 
Ts5034 said:
I actually am a little annoyed by the scholarship reduction. Even though its just one, its a shame the new staff cant recruit with a full arsenal of open scholarships.
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this ocurred after Kofi declared for Illinois. This is all done with Hurley’s input. Designed to have no real impact. We now have one open scholarship left for this year unless there is a transfer. But next year, he has one extra.
 
Jaker said:
These NCAA rules are pretty stupid , the fact that Ray or Rudy can't face time a recruit is a joke. Its not like they took the kid out and wine and dined him.
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Didn’t he also arrange for workouts from an outside trainer, and then lie about it?

I still think both sides are to blame for letting things get to this point, but UConn seems to have the stronger case.
 
UCfor3 said:
Regardless, he knew the rules or at least should have, and broke them anyway. So he is either criminal or monumentally incompetent and stupid. Either way he is responsible and wrong.
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LOL.... the reason UConn is losing out on recruits is because it doesn't dirty its hands. It's just the way things are. This is really really minor stuff. Bilas is right. Anyone can see that. I understand that Ollie fell down on the job and that he doesn't deserve the money, but to any outsider, they see incredibly minor violations that would not result in the kind of mess UConn has now anywhere else. The $40m loss has a lot more to do with this fiasco than Ollie's incompetence.
 
Ncaa rules are beyond comical. Uconn can’t use 2 of our biggest stars Rudy and Ray - which uconn created - to FaceTime a recruit. Jesus. If a school is fortunate enough to have/develop a player like Ray Allen , we shud be at least allowed to capitalize off him and use that to our recruiting advantage. What a joke. Can’t do anything nowadays. If u breathe sideways it’s a violation. Meanwhile the blue bloods continue to do what they want. (Sigh)
 
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HooperScooper said:
Aren’t self imposed sanctions typically done with the NCAA's input so that they are accepted by the NCAA without additional penalties? So I'll assume this is it. And I agree it's not too bad. We can live with 12 scholarship players next season. The 1 week hiatuses shouldn't hurt that much.

So this adds another year to Hurley's contract. That was part of his contract if there were recruiting sanctions.
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Actually, that’s a great point about adding a year to Danny’s contract.
 
Thankfully we are not banning ourselves from this year's NCAA tourney.

Also, in light of the financial woes how the hell can we afford the $5000?
 
upstater said:
LOL.... the reason UConn is losing out on recruits is because it doesn't dirty its hands. It's just the way things are. This is really really minor stuff. Bilas is right. Anyone can see that. I understand that Ollie fell down on the job and that he doesn't deserve the money, but to any outsider, they see incredibly minor violations that would not result in the kind of mess UConn has now anywhere else. The $40m loss has a lot more to do with this fiasco than Ollie's incompetence.
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Most of the violations are minor. However...

"Ollie got a close personal friend named Derrek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after-hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was permissible."

Sorry, but there's nothing minor about that. This is the one violation that everyone in the media that's defending Ollie is choosing to ignore.
 
Rico444 said:
Most of the violations are minor. However...

"Ollie got a close personal friend named Derrek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after-hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was permissible."

Sorry, but there's nothing minor about that. This is the one violation that everyone in the media that's defending Ollie is choosing to ignore.
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No question about this violation but I ask this: what was the penalty for North Carolina keeping their players eligible with sham courses? Was that worse than a workout?
 
jibsey said:
No question about this violation but I ask this: what was the penalty for North Carolina keeping their players eligible with sham courses? Was that worse than a workout?
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You're not going to get me to disagree with you there.
 
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Rico444 said:
Most of the violations are minor. However...

"Ollie got a close personal friend named Derrek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after-hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was permissible."

Sorry, but there's nothing minor about that. This is the one violation that everyone in the media that's defending Ollie is choosing to ignore.
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It is minor really. Compared to the major stuff that is going on all the time. At most of the P5 schools.
 
Ts5034 said:
I actually am a little annoyed by the scholarship reduction. Even though its just one, its a shame the new staff cant recruit with a full arsenal of open scholarships.
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One or two more should open up, I’ll leave it at that. The bigger question is going to be who the staff can get to fill them.
 
upstater said:
It is minor really. Compared to the major stuff that is going on all the time. At most of the P5 schools.
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I mean, I guess we're arguing semantics here, but I doubt most people would agree that the bolded sections -- and the subsequent lies to the NCAA when questioned on it -- would be considered "really really minor stuff" or "incredibly minor violations" as you said in your first post. I can't deny that it's much lesser than the allegations against UNC the last few years or the stuff in the FBI investigation...but I never recall facilitating payments to players being considered a minor violation.
 
Rico444 said:
I mean, I guess we're arguing semantics here, but I doubt most people would agree that the bolded sections -- and the subsequent lies to the NCAA when questioned on it -- would be considered "really really minor stuff" or "incredibly minor violations" as you said in your first post. I can't deny that it's much lesser than the allegations against UNC the last few years or the stuff in the FBI investigation...but I never recall facilitating payments to players being considered a minor violation.
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Payments? You're talking about the Glen Miller claim? Didn't someone post something here a while back that the story was false? I believe I read that here.

I agree that payments are not at all minor violations. That's the bar I use when I label something a major violation.
 
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