SEC has 9 team projected to go to the NCAA Tourney

[npignatjr]

No

My statement is true, ESPN owns the SEC and ACC networks.

 

[npignatjr]

What is there to pay attention to? Their losses to Fordham, USC, and St Johns? The OT win over Toledo?

Their best win is Princeton.
They went 4-4 against Dep Marq Vill Crei.

A big reason they went 11-2 down the stretch is 7 games against Gtown Xav Butl, three really bad teams.

I hope they do well in the WNIT but the idea that they’re disrespected is hogwash.

Your opinion, his that his team is disrespected. Honestly if ESPN didn't own certain conference networks would they promote those over every other?

 

[Zinethar]

The Big East has 5 or 6 really good teams. After listening to the Seton Hall coach go off it got me to research why the Big East teams didn't get more respect. It is pretty easy to tell why after checking the data. They have good won/lost records. They pass the eye test. The problem is scheduling. Tons of teams with 0-2 records against ranked teams (read UConn). How do you expect the world outside of the Big East to think about you when you don't play ranked teams? One part is their schedule of 20 games + COVID. They, for the most part, chose to schedule record helpers rather than ranked schools. UConn has a strong OOC schedule every year. Makes you stronger and earns respect even if you lose hard fought games. Like the Smith-Barney adds of the past - you want respect you have to "earn it".

 

[Vowelguy]

My statement is true, ESPN owns the SEC and ACC networks.

You didn’t say ESPN - you said “the news media.”

Boston is the POY in the SEC.
And hardly earth shattering to say she’s NPOY. The only possible competitor is Clark.

And how exactly does this “promotion” work? Are the analysts instructed “don’t say what you believe; just make up good stuff about the SEC/ACC” ?

Are you seriously arguing that Lobo, Landers, Creme, Peck, etc all receive such orders. ?
And in all these years NOT A SINGLE analyst has ever left the network and said “I was forced to promote these conferences and to hell with objectivity.”

Not
One

But sure it’s all a conspiracy against YOUR team.

 

[mbr33ct]

Conferences getting 9 teams in the tourney bring back memories when the Big East ruled the NCAA Tourneys, truly the Beast of the East. In 2011 the Big East garnered 9 bids, with West Virginia with an 8-8 conference record received a #9 at-large bid.

 

[Plebe]

The Big East has 5 or 6 really good teams. After listening to the Seton Hall coach go off it got me to research why the Big East teams didn't get more respect. It is pretty easy to tell why after checking the data. They have good won/lost records. They pass the eye test. The problem is scheduling. Tons of teams with 0-2 records against ranked teams (read UConn). How do you expect the world outside of the Big East to think about you when you don't play ranked teams? One part is their schedule of 20 games + COVID. They, for the most part, chose to schedule record helpers rather than ranked schools. UConn has a strong OOC schedule every year. Makes you stronger and earns respect even if you lose hard fought games. Like the Smith-Barney adds of the past - you want respect you have to "earn it".

You're right that some of the other BE teams need to improve their OOC scheduling, but it's not like we have no data on them against noteworthy OOC opponents revealing their overall level of quality.

• Marquette got creamed by both Georgia (a borderline top 25 team) and Colorado (not a top 25 team but an NCAA tournament team).
• Villanova was beaten soundly by Maryland and Princeton but did narrowly beat Oregon State (a fellow bubble team).
• DePaul got destroyed by TAMU (a team not even postseason-eligible) but did get a good win at Kentucky. They were competitive with but ultimately lost to Notre Dame and Arizona.
• Creighton got a nice road win at Arkansas and came up just short against Nebraska. They lost to South Dakota but beat South Dakota State (playing without its best player).
• Seton Hall won over Princeton but lost by double digits to UCF, Fordham and USC.
• St. John's went to a holiday tournament and placed 8th out of 8 teams by losing to Penn State, Charlotte and UCLA.
• Providence lost home games to Boston College, UMass and Rhode Island (all of them bubble-ish teams).

I won't bother mentioning the records of Georgetown, Xavier and Butler.

Overall, notwithstanding a few decent wins here and there, not a compelling case.

 

[Zinethar]

You are certainly right with your data. Of course I don't know, and don't know if you do either, if any other things came into play in those games. UConn lost some games they likely would have won with a full team for example. some of those losses look quite bad but I still am in favor of the BE teams scheduling those games in an attempt to get better. I want the BE to be a powerful and respected conference. Unfortunately Georgetown, Xavier, and especially Butler don't help the image. Most every conference has bottom dwellers that the other feed on. I know Maryland was a highly ranked team early and has been a huge disappointment lately (I don't know why). Villanova early in the season was without Maddy and lost some games then but are much better now. When that game occurred it might have been a different result than compared to now. I'm a big BE advocate and I want to see those games and have the teams get more exposure with better teams. I know Seton Halled had huge virus issues earlier. Hopefully the losses will become wins in the next few years as I see the conference getting better and has even during this year.

 

[Zinethar]

One more thing that hurts teams trying to get better is the way conference scheduling work currently most OOC games must happen early in the season. Many use them to tune up good teams, others to pad their records. Teams that have recruited well are at times forced to play these good opponents have to play before their team has a chance to gel. I saw another post suggesting two time periods with no conference scheduling - one before the conference schedule and another in the middle. I wish that could be the norm so both can happen. Get god games when both are at their best for a true look at what they have. UConn seems to like playing their great OOC games later in the season for this reason.

 

[npignatjr]

You didn’t say ESPN - you said “the news media.”

Boston is the POY in the SEC.
And hardly earth shattering to say she’s NPOY. The only possible competitor is Clark.

And how exactly does this “promotion” work? Are the analysts instructed “don’t say what you believe; just make up good stuff about the SEC/ACC” ?

Are you seriously arguing that Lobo, Landers, Creme, Peck, etc all receive such orders. ?
And in all these years NOT A SINGLE analyst has ever left the network and said “I was forced to promote these conferences and to hell with objectivity.”

Not
One

But sure it’s all a conspiracy against YOUR team.

Who pays them? Where did Landers coach, Peck? Sorry for not directly mention the network that broadcasts the SEC games, the WCBB tournament and owns the SEC and ACC networks.

 

[npignatjr]

Conferences getting 9 teams in the tourney bring back memories when the Big East ruled the NCAA Tourneys, truly the Beast of the East. In 2011 the Big East garnered 9 bids, with West Virginia with an 8-8 conference record received a #9 at-large bid.

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And that was too many.

 

[HuskyNan]

Not another grievance thread.