SEC 2019-2020 discussion

[Gamecockfan77]

Favorite player in the class besides my Gamecocks. Can’t wait to see her develop.

Mine too.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I am interested to see how Mizzou does with Cunningham. I know they have two highly ranked recruits coming. They always seem to knock off some teams they shouldn't every year, but they never do anything in post-season. I hate playing them though because they always seem to give us problems.

They seem due for a big step back. I think it's essential they continue playing chippy to stay in upper half and still not sure they have the fire power.

 

[SCspur]

I'm convinced that season's team would fail to slow down Dungee in 10/10 meetings.

We'd probably would win most of them, but still.

I think Beal will be a big thorn in her side defensively and offensively these next couple of years

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Sidney Cooks is a big get for Miss State.

Any reason to suspect immediate eligibility?

 

[MSUFan2003]

I think she will have to sit for a year.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Does MSST have a scholly left for Minyon Moore?

 

[DanishBulldog]

Does MSST have a scholly left for Minyon Moore?

I think. The whole point was to land the 3 that came in the same weekend. 2 are in the house. Moore has yet to decide, but we should see her decision soon.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Does MSST have a scholly left for Minyon Moore?

No, we don't. Someone will be asked to leave if Moore comes.

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[Jmsdawg]

No, we don't. Someone will be asked to leave if Moore comes.

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Can they do that? That just does not seem fair to me, I realize we have some players that are not critical but can you just take a scholarship from a player simply because you want to add a transfer?

 

[SCspur]

Can they do that? That just does not seem fair to me, I realize we have some players that are not critical but can you just take a scholarship from a player simply because you want to add a transfer?

Attrition happens a lot in major programs. Players get recruited over all the time. That’s just part of the game and staying elite. I’m pretty sure that’s what happened to Jonika Garvin and Iggy Allen, and the same might be said for Nyah Tate if Moore does in fact commit to State.

Interested to see what he does for 2020 though being that he’s still recruiting Treasure Hunt, Kamilla Cardosa, and Madison Hayes hard. He’d only have one scholarship to offer.

 

[SCGamecock]

Can they do that? That just does not seem fair to me, I realize we have some players that are not critical but can you just take a scholarship from a player simply because you want to add a transfer?

The coaching staff can “nudge” a player. This usually happens during post season meetings. The staff may allude to a player getting lesser minutes next season, planting the seed for the player to pursue transfer options. That’s the kind way of doing it.

This is usually how it happens when a player transfers for playing time reasons.

 

[militarydog]

Can they do that? That just does not seem fair to me, I realize we have some players that are not critical but can you just take a scholarship from a player simply because you want to add a transfer?

Unfortunately it happens on teams all over the country from youth travel baseball to college athletics. Obviously we are not privy to the conversations with players and their families. However if a coach gets a reputation for running off players when they get the chance a better player then that can definitely hurt credibility and recruiting. As a fan of Mississippi State my inclination is to believe that Coach Schaefer is either aware of someone that has indicated they are leaving or someone that cannot return due to health. I can imagine some players see the writing on the wall that they aren’t going to get a chance to play. However who knows.
My son plays travel baseball and has been on both sides of it. He is still in middle school but already has a pretty business like approach to it and a thick skin. I’m sure athletes playing at this level are vastly more conditioned to take it in stride. If they want to stay and just go to school then there are ways to do that and stay on a full ride. However most want to still play and move on to other programs.

 

[bballnut90]

The coaching staff can “nudge” a player. This usually happens during post season meetings. The staff may allude to a player getting lesser minutes next season, planting the seed for the player to pursue transfer options. That’s the kind way of doing it.

This is usually how it happens when a player transfers for playing time reasons.

I don't like how that happens even though we see it at most programs. Just puts a bad taste in my mouth. The one I'd be okay with is if Zion Campbell gets nudged since she's been there 4 years on scholarship and likely has her degree already, so she could be a grad transfer if she wants to continue playing and Vic has honored her scholarship 4 years.

 

[SimpleDawg]

The one I'd be okay with is if Zion Campbell gets nudged since she's been there 4 years on scholarship

She's already gone. Graduated and moved onto law school elsewhere.

Nyah Tate is probably gonna be the one to get the shaft if Moore transfers in. Though there is a way to still add a couple of 2020 recruits in that scenario.

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[militarydog]

She's already gone. Graduated and moved onto dental school elsewhere.

Nyah Tate is probably gonna be the one to get the shaft if Moore transfers in. Though there is a way to still add a couple of 2020 recruits in that scenario.

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I kind of feel sorry for N Tate as her name is the one that comes up the most. However one of what might be considered the more talented players could also leave if they think they might not get the time they would like. However I haven’t heard anyone’s name come up.

 

[Jmsdawg]

She's already gone. Graduated and moved onto law school elsewhere.

Nyah Tate is probably gonna be the one to get the shaft if Moore transfers in. Though there is a way to still add a couple of 2020 recruits in that scenario.

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I assumed scholarships were good for four year if the recipient meet the requirements of the scholarship, I.e., grades, behavior, etc. Is athletic performance a requirement for WBB scholarship continuance?

 

[militarydog]

I assumed scholarships were good for four year if the recipient meet the requirements of the scholarship, I.e., grades, behavior, etc. Is athletic performance a requirement for WBB scholarship continuance?

Scholarships are year to year. Athletic performance is definitely part of the requirement for both getting it and keeping it.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Scholarships are year to year. Athletic performance is definitely part of the requirement for both getting it and keeping it.

What happens when performance is affected by an injury. For example, Iggy Allen, before her injury, was lauded by Vic for her athletic ability. I believe she was considered a starter as a sophomore, however after her injury she never was able to regain that level of performance. She transferred to Miami, was she nudged out?

 

[bballnut90]

What happens when performance is affected by an injury. For example, Iggy Allen, before her injury, was lauded by Vic for her athletic ability. I believe she was considered a starter as a sophomore, however after her injury she never was able to regain that level of performance. She transferred to Miami, was she nudged out?

Vic never commented and I don't follow the program closely enough to know, but looks like it is anyones guess at this point.

I think coaches should honor 4 years of scholarships to their kids provided they work hard and aren't detrimental to the team. WCBB has a whopping 15 scholarship limit....no team needs that many. Players should not be pressured to transfer or quit if a coach can't budget 15 scholarships accordingly. If players don't work hard/break rules/etc, then by all means pull the scholarship.

If a player has a scholarship but doesn't develop as well as hoped, I think is poor form to make a college student give up basketball and/or a scholarship if they decide not to transfer. Or just as bad, force a player to transfer out and uproot their life to a new city/school which could push back their graduation date or have other consequences.

I have no idea if Tate or anyone else is getting pushed out, but it is a slime ball move if it happens.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Roster issues tend to resolve themselves and I would guess it is pretty rare that any coach actually has to pull a scholarship for someone that is doing what they are supposed to.

Usually if you want to stay you stay. I've seen at least one coach not renew a scholarship of a player after they graduated when that player was not a contributor.

I'm not even sure you still can pull a scholarship that after the flurry of four year pledges and proposed rules to codify it.

 

[stwainfan]

Jordan got her jersey retired. Hope to see her get another jersey retired in four years.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Just wondering, can a non scholarship student try out for the team? If they can and make the team, does that player count against the 15 scholarship limit even if they are willing to play as a non scholarship player?

 

[DaBball]

Just wondering, can a non scholarship student try out for the team? If they can and make the team, does that player count against the 15 scholarship limit even if they are willing to play as a non scholarship player?

Yeah, but it is the coach’s decision. They wouldn’t count against the 15.

 

[militarydog]

Now that M Moore has committed to Oregon things can be projected a little better for Mississippi State. By the end of the summer games they should have a pretty good idea as to how things will shake out regarding positions. Obviously M Taylor will start at point to begin the summer but I think A Mathuru and possibly J Mingo-Young will be given every opportunity to push for significant minutes. The silver lining for this season is that MSU will most likely return everyone the next season and the point guards will have this year to work through any growing pains.
This summer should be good to work out the new players as C Bibby as well as possibility P Taylor and E Martinez are recovering from injuries. I’ll be interested to see how Y Morris performs this summer under the MSU staff.

 

[DefenseBB]

To me, you can’t rely on freshman to lead you to championships. So as much a the SC group is heralded and despite the duo of Ty Harris and MHH, I just don’t see where all the scoring will come from. MSU has to get all these players to mesh and Tenn has to adapt to a new system (or any system!).
I do think Texas A&M is the team to beat. With Arkansas and Kentucky also being included with the other 3 mentioned. From a STAR perspective, Carter, Rennia Davis along with Howard of Kentucky and Chelsea Dundee of Arkansas as big time scorers. I think the 1-5 seeds will be interesting but as noted overall, not a string year for the SEC, however in 2 years watch out!

 

[SCspur]

To me, you can’t rely on freshman to lead you to championships. So as much a the SC group is heralded and despite the duo of Ty Harris and MHH, I just don’t see where all the scoring will come from. MSU has to get all these players to mesh and Tenn has to adapt to a new system (or any system!).
I do think Texas A&M is the team to beat. With Arkansas and Kentucky also being included with the other 3 mentioned. From a STAR perspective, Carter, Rennia Davis along with Howard of Kentucky and Chelsea Dundee of Arkansas as big time scorers. I think the 1-5 seeds will be interesting but as noted overall, not a string year for the SEC, however in 2 years watch out!

I don’t necessarily think SC will rely on the freshman to lead them. I personally think they will provide a boost to what’s coming back. Harris is the active assist and steals leader in the SEC. Herbert Harrigan has the most blocks of any returning player and both should definitely see scoring increases with more touches and shot opportunities. I think Henderson, Saxton and Grissett are being overlooked. I expect Henderson and Saxton’s scoring averages to improve as both showed me last season in the SEC they could be double digit scorers. I think Grissett could surprise people with a bigger role and more playing time she could become a big key next year. She’s solid defensively and can grab rebounds as well but she could probably step up as a scorer next year too. I think Wesolek could potentially get more time as well and she’s a very good shooter. If she learns how to defend well enough she could definitely see the floor and score the ball.

 

[stwainfan]

I am ready for the season to start.

 

[SCspur]

I am ready for the season to start.

Thoughts on UT next year?

 

[stwainfan]

I really like this new coaching staff. I think this staff will do some really good things. Coach Harper had a good run last year at Missouri State. Now she has a more talented team. I am looking forward to seeing Horston play. I think the team will be better. I expect a better play and a better record. I will say sweet 16 possibly.

 

[militarydog]

To me, you can’t rely on freshman to lead you to championships. So as much a the SC group is heralded and despite the duo of Ty Harris and MHH, I just don’t see where all the scoring will come from. MSU has to get all these players to mesh and Tenn has to adapt to a new system (or any system!).
I do think Texas A&M is the team to beat. With Arkansas and Kentucky also being included with the other 3 mentioned. From a STAR perspective, Carter, Rennia Davis along with Howard of Kentucky and Chelsea Dundee of Arkansas as big time scorers. I think the 1-5 seeds will be interesting but as noted overall, not a string year for the SEC, however in 2 years watch out!

I agree with this. I’m not counting on any of the freshmen or Y Morris to be the key cogs to the season for MSU. However if MSU is going to have a successful season then some of the newcomers are going to have to make positive contributions. I’m not sure if this meets the spirit of your definition of “rely”.