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Jmpenn said:
The problem I have is that you are acting like the reason you gave is a fact and have no sources. There was actually a shoe article that came out that said sources close to Parker said the reasons she was given was that she was no longer the best at her position and that she didn't match up well with Australia. Nothing about her not playing in the World's and this was at least from sources and in print. And I do not think either reason is a good one since they take muliple forwards and the Australian national coach recently called her a matchup nightmare and one of the top 3 players in the world.
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Of course there aren't any sources since no one from the Olympic committee, nor the Olympic players, are talking. So all we are left doing is making guesses. I have my own opinions on the subject, and zero of it has to do with a personal vendetta against Parker. IMHO she was left off the team for several reasons not having to do with her basketball talent.

If I had quotes from the Committee, or other players, we wouldn't have to play the game of "maybe this is why". I think almost all fans can agree that Parker is talented enough. But she apparently did things that caused the Committee to leave her off the team. If we ever find out all the reasons, we can have a whole different debate as to whether those reasons were valid.

One factor that is quantifiable is her skipping the 2010 and 2014 WC's. Is it a valid reason? Did she discuss it with the US National Committee? Did she do everything she could to represent her country? I wasn't privy to any of those conversations, but the fact that she did miss both of those, especially 2014, could be a factor.
 
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ericsandiego said:
Of course there aren't any sources since no one from the Olympic committee, nor the Olympic players, are talking. So all we are left doing is making guesses. I have my own opinions on the subject, and zero of it has to do with a personal vendetta against Parker. IMHO she was left off the team for several reasons not having to do with her basketball talent.

If I had quotes from the Committee, or other players, we wouldn't have to play the game of "maybe this is why". I think almost all fans can agree that Parker is talented enough. But she apparently did things that caused the Committee to leave her off the team. If we ever find out all the reasons, we can have a whole different debate as to whether those reasons were valid.

One factor that is quantifiable is her skipping the 2010 and 2014 WC's. Is it a valid reason? Did she discuss it with the US National Committee? Did she do everything she could to represent her country? I wasn't privy to any of those conversations, but the fact that she did miss both of those, especially 2014, could be a factor.
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Ok, completely fine if those are your opinions. Did you read the article I linked? Not sure how valid those sources are but they state the reasons Candace was given.
 
Jmpenn said:
Ok, completely fine if those are your opinions. Did you read the article I linked? Not sure how valid those sources are but they state the reasons Candace was given.
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"Officially, according to sources close to Parker, she was given two reasons for not being included on the final roster. Parker was told she was no longer the best player at her position, with that nod presumably going to Elena Delle Donne. She was also told she “didn’t match up well with Australia.”

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IMO both of these are valid basketball reasons for Candace not being selected for the 2016 Olympic team.
 
Candace was told that the reason she was overlooked was because "Officially, according to sources close to Parker, she was given two reasons for not being included on the final roster. Parker was told she was no longer the best player at her position, with that nod presumably going to Elena Delle Donne. She was also told she “didn’t match up well with Australia.” Parker was said to be floored by the reasoning".

Of course those are "sources close to Parker". Did we get a quote from anyone on the USOC? Still murky, but hey, it's all we have to go on. Who is Nick Depaula? Why is he using sources close to Parker, and not getting direct quotes, or saying who told Parker this stuff?
 
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But one has to wonder about the selections. Did Coach and the committee look backwards instead of forwards? This is a team that relies on some much older players, with half the players thirty or older. And there are only three true guards: Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, and Lindsey Whalen. All are 33 or older. And looking at Sue Bird's early stats, is she really the player she was four years ago? What if Whalen gets hurt, or gets into foul trouble?

Speaking of playing as a team- Angel McCoughtry? Hard to see who should be taken off. But Sue? Great as she once was. Should she have been chosen, at this point in her career, over Jewell Loyd? Odyssey Sims?

Did Coach Geno go with the players he knew? Did he opt for a comfort factor? Looking back, or looking forward?

This isn't the first national team selection that was enormously controversial for leaving out a national star. Remember Jurgen Klinsmann's decision to leave Landon Donovan off the national team for the World Cup? Ultimately, that decision did not look good.

Pretty controversial....
 
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Jmpenn said:
The problem I have is that you are acting like the reason you gave is a fact and have no sources. There was actually a shoe article that came out that said sources close to Parker said the reasons she was given was that she was no longer the best at her position and that she didn't match up well with Australia. Nothing about her not playing in the World's and this was at least from sources and in print. And I do not think either reason is a good one since they take muliple forwards and the Australian national coach recently called her a matchup nightmare and one of the top 3 players in the world.

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I actually meant to put my reply above as a reply to you. Honestly, if that article REALLY is the reason she was left off the team, I'd be sort of confused too. She wasn't the best player at her position? EDD presumably is? or Maya? I would have to imagine that maybe starters would be Sue, Dee, EDD, Maya and Griner (or maybe Charles?) I don't know - that seems like a pretty weak reason to me (yeah that's me sort of agreeing with you)...

And not matching up well with Australia? Kind of scratching my head on that one too. Point is, even if you think Maya and EDD are "better" than Parker (sort of 3/4 hybrids), who comes off the bench for them? Catch, Stewie, Angel, and maybe Tina if she's a 4? It's not up to me - glad I'm not on the Committee. IF those are the actual reasons she was given... hmm...
 
ericsandiego said:
I actually meant to put my reply above as a reply to you. Honestly, if that article REALLY is the reason she was left off the team, I'd be sort of confused too. She wasn't the best player at her position? EDD presumably is? or Maya? I would have to imagine that maybe starters would be Sue, Dee, EDD, Maya and Griner (or maybe Charles?) I don't know - that seems like a pretty weak reason to me (yeah that's me sort of agreeing with you)...

And not matching up well with Australia? Kind of scratching my head on that one too. Point is, even if you think Maya and EDD are "better" than Parker (sort of 3/4 hybrids), who comes off the bench for them? Catch, Stewie, Angel, and maybe Tina if she's a 4? It's not up to me - glad I'm not on the Committee. IF those are the actual reasons she was given... hmm...
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Not sure how legit the article I linked is or the sources in the article are but it is there. The article mentions that those reasons were given to Parker but then try to make it about the shoe controversy. So who knows.

If Nike has anything to do with it Jefferson may be in trouble for because she just signed with Adidas.
 
ericsandiego said:
Of course there aren't any sources since no one from the Olympic committee, nor the Olympic players, are talking. So all we are left doing is making guesses. I have my own opinions on the subject, and zero of it has to do with a personal vendetta against Parker. IMHO she was left off the team for several reasons not having to do with her basketball talent.

If I had quotes from the Committee, or other players, we wouldn't have to play the game of "maybe this is why". I think almost all fans can agree that Parker is talented enough. But she apparently did things that caused the Committee to leave her off the team. If we ever find out all the reasons, we can have a whole different debate as to whether those reasons were valid.

One factor that is quantifiable is her skipping the 2010 and 2014 WC's. Is it a valid reason? Did she discuss it with the US National Committee? Did she do everything she could to represent her country? I wasn't privy to any of those conversations, but the fact that she did miss both of those, especially 2014, could be a factor.
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but Griner missing 2012 so she could play on her skateboard and break her wrist was ok? I think if they accept reasons for some missing WNT BB they need to extend the same courtesy to others.
 
Gate81 said:
but Griner missing 2012 so she could play on her skateboard and break her wrist was ok? I think if they accept reasons for some missing WNT BB they need to extend the same courtesy to others.
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Yea and Elena Delle Donne and Sylvia Fowles should have tough out the Lyme disease and the bad foot in 2014 also. I mean how much trouble could one tick cause and it wasn't Sylvia's right foot either.

Bad back keeps Delle Donne from U.S. team
 
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Gate81 said:
but Griner missing 2012 so she could play on her skateboard and break her wrist was ok? I think if they accept reasons for some missing WNT BB they need to extend the same courtesy to others.
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I think Griner actually turned down the Olympics before she broke her wrist. At the time she turned it down because she wanted to be with her sick mother. Then she broke her wrist and wouldn't have been able to play anyway. That is how I remember it anyway. Please correct me if I am wrong.

But I did read here I think from eastcoasttexas maybe that Griner wrote about the reason she turned down the Olympics in her book and I haven't read it.
 
ericsandiego said:
I actually meant to put my reply above as a reply to you. Honestly, if that article REALLY is the reason she was left off the team, I'd be sort of confused too. She wasn't the best player at her position? EDD presumably is? or Maya? I would have to imagine that maybe starters would be Sue, Dee, EDD, Maya and Griner (or maybe Charles?) I don't know - that seems like a pretty weak reason to me (yeah that's me sort of agreeing with you)...

And not matching up well with Australia? Kind of scratching my head on that one too. Point is, even if you think Maya and EDD are "better" than Parker (sort of 3/4 hybrids), who comes off the bench for them? Catch, Stewie, Angel, and maybe Tina if she's a 4? It's not up to me - glad I'm not on the Committee. IF those are the actual reasons she was given... hmm...
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The not matching up well with Australia could be a reference to the semi-final game in London in which Parker basically was a no-show against the physical Opals. It wasn't that she shot poorly or got in foul trouble, her effort and toughness were lacking in the game that effectively decided the gold medal. She played like she wanted no part of the physical Australia players. There was a possession toward the end of the 3rd quarter when Australia was out-fighting USA for loose balls and rebounds and Parker didn't go hard after a rebound and then a loose ball. She was taken out, Asjha Jones entered the game and the combination of Charles and Jones was able to contain Cambage and Jackson and the momentum eventually turned in USA's favor.

Parker's performance in London was not that great.

Two of USA BB's last three major international competitions have been played without Candace Parker (Prague WCs in 2010 and Istanbul WCs 2014). USA BB has won gold without her so I honestly don't see the big deal.
 
UConnCat said:
The not matching up well with Australia could be a reference to the semi-final game in London in which Parker basically was a no-show against the physical Opals. It wasn't that she shot poorly or got in foul trouble, her effort and toughness were lacking in the game that effectively decided the gold medal. She played like she wanted no part of the physical Australia players. There was a possession toward the end of the 3rd quarter when Australia was out-fighting USA for loose balls and rebounds and Parker didn't go hard after a rebound and then a loose ball. She was taken out, Asjha Jones entered the game and the combination of Charles and Jones was able to contain Cambage and Jackson and the momentum eventually turned in USA's favor.

Parker's performance in London was not that great.

Two of USA BB's last three major international competitions have been played without Candace Parker (Prague WCs in 2010 and Istanbul WCs 2014). USA BB has won gold without her so I honestly don't see the big deal.
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That isn't how I remember it at all. Candace was one of the best in the London Olympics. During the game against Australia Cambage did play very well especially in the first half and the team as a whole didn't defend her well. Candace wasn't even playing center so she wasn't even the primary defender. The stats for the London Olympics will show that Candace was one of the top performers. The Australian Olympic coach said right before the team was announced that she would be shocked if Parker was not on the team and that Parker was a matchup nightmare for them and one of the top 3 players in the world. I think USA will win anyway but that she should be on the team.
 
UConnCat said:
Two of USA BB's last three major international competitions have been played without Candace Parker (Prague WCs in 2010 and Istanbul WCs 2014). USA BB has won gold without her so I honestly don't see the big deal.
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USA basketball has won last two Olympic gold medal with CP, so why mess up a good thing?
 
Jmpenn said:
That isn't how I remember it at all. Candace was one of the best in the London Olympics. During the game against Australia Cambage did play very well especially in the first half and the team as a whole didn't defend her well. Candace wasn't even playing center so she wasn't even the primary defender. The stats for the London Olympics will show that Candace was one of the top performers. The Australian Olympic coach said right before the team was announced that she would be shocked if Parker was not on the team and that Parker was a matchup nightmare for them and one of the top 3 players in the world. I think USA will win anyway but that she should be on the team.
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Watch the game against Australia on you tube. She was a no-show and she knew it. She was in there to defend Jackson and the other post players and it was obvious she wanted no part of them. It was Charles and Jones who stepped up and turned things around in the 2nd half.

Wasn't there a report that she reached out to Summitt after the game because she knew how poorly she played? Again, players have bad shooting games or get in foul trouble, but there's no excuse for lack of effort, energy and intensity.
 
CocoHusky said:
USA basketball has won last two Olympic gold medal with CP, so why mess up a good thing?
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Maybe allowing someone to pass on two consecutive world championships but then make the more desirable and glamorous Olympic team would be unfair to those core players who agreed to play in Prague and agreed to play in Istanbul. Maybe USA BB didn't like the message that would send. Maybe the players who showed up to play in Prague and Istanbul because they thought they had to in order to make the Olympic team thought it would then be unfair for a player to make the Olympic team without playing in the world championships. Maybe USA BB didn't want to mess a good thing whereby players know the world championships are important too.
 
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UConnCat said:
Maybe allowing someone to pass on two consecutive world championships but then make the more desirable and glamorous Olympic team would be unfair to those core players who agreed to play in Prague and agreed to play in Istanbul. Maybe USA BB didn't like the message that would send. Maybe the players who showed up to play in Prague and Istanbul because they thought they had to in order to make the Olympic team thought it would then be unfair for a player to make the Olympic team without playing in the world championships. Maybe USA BB didn't want to mess a good thing whereby players know the world championships are important too.
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Maybe, quite possibly.:cool:
 
UConnCat said:
Maybe allowing someone to pass on two consecutive world championships but then make the more desirable and glamorous Olympic team would be unfair to those core players who agreed to play in Prague and agreed to play in Istanbul. Maybe USA BB didn't like the message that would send. Maybe the players who showed up to play in Prague and Istanbul because they thought they had to in order to make the Olympic team thought it would then be unfair for a player to make the Olympic team without playing in the world championships. Maybe USA BB didn't want to mess a good thing whereby players know the world championships are important too.
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Well some players also missed the most recent training camp in Spain and Candace was one of the few vets that made it. Those are important as well.
 
Jmpenn said:
Well some players also missed the most recent training camp in Spain and Candace was one of the few vets that made it. Those are important as well.
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Nowhere near as important as the world championships. Not. Even. Close.
 
Jmpenn said:
That isn't how I remember it at all. Candace was one of the best in the London Olympics. During the game against Australia Cambage did play very well especially in the first half and the team as a whole didn't defend her well. Candace wasn't even playing center so she wasn't even the primary defender. The stats for the London Olympics will show that Candace was one of the top performers. The Australian Olympic coach said right before the team was announced that she would be shocked if Parker was not on the team and that Parker was a matchup nightmare for them and one of the top 3 players in the world. I think USA will win anyway but that she should be on the team.
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UConnCat said:
Watch the game against Australia on you tube. She was a no-show and she knew it. She was in there to defend Jackson and the other post players and it was obvious she wanted no part of them. It was Charles and Jones who stepped up and turned things around in the 2nd half.

Wasn't there a report that she reached out to Summitt after the game because she knew how poorly she played? Again, players have bad shooting games or get in foul trouble, but there's no excuse for lack of effort, energy and intensity.
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UConnCat said:
Nowhere near as important as the world championships. Not. Even. Close.
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CP was not the only player to miss the 2014 world Championships EDD and Sylvia also missed because of injuries.
 
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HuskyNan said:
If missing any competition eliminated a player from consideration, then why would any player deemed not eligible be invited to camp?
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Not sure if this question is directed at my post, but I never said anything about being "eliminated from consideration" or "deemed not eligible." I raised what may have been a factor in not choosing a particular player who was part of the player pool.
 
triaddukefan said:
I can't wait until the next Seattle-LA matchup :rolleyes:
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I doubt you have to wait for that match-up. Could be every WNBA game played by Candace Parker or Sue Bird or Breanna Stewart will be a referendum on their making or not making the team. Won't that be fun.
 
UConnCat said:
Watch the game against Australia on you tube. She was a no-show and she knew it. She was in there to defend Jackson and the other post players and it was obvious she wanted no part of them. It was Charles and Jones who stepped up and turned things around in the 2nd half.

Wasn't there a report that she reached out to Summitt after the game because she knew how poorly she played? Again, players have bad shooting games or get in foul trouble, but there's no excuse for lack of effort, energy and intensity.
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I just watched the first half. In the first quarter I didn't see either score over Candace. When Candace came in Cambage went out and they only wound up playing against each other for a little bit. Cambage and Jackson both scored over Charles and Fowles a lot. In the second quarter Jackson scored over Candace once and Cambage scored over Candace 3 times and was fouled once. Candace also causes Cambage to miss a few times and to turn it over once.
CocoHusky said:
CP was not the only player to miss the 2014 world Championships EDD and Sylvia also missed because of injuries.
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Catch also did not go because of back problems.
 
UConnCat said:
I doubt you have to wait for that match-up. Could be every WNBA game played by Candace Parker or Sue Bird or Breanna Stewart will be a referendum on their making or not making the team. Won't that be fun.
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Yes it will, I can hardly wait. Popcorn anyone? :cool:
 
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