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the both played excellent games and seem to like each other. put me in the camp that doesn't believe Stewart got the last spot over Parker for the USA team. there are several USA players that have either passed their peak or aren't as talented as Parker. those are the players who were erroneously selected.
 

Yes, it wasn't a good idea then and isn't now but even then most of the team was in place. The should wait argument is just an excuse to extend the whining.[/QUOTE]
Would you same the same if Candace got off to a bad start? Extending the selection is not really an argument is it? They actually did it so that would make it a FACT!
 
I can't remember where I read it but during one of the training camps I remember Stewart saying that Candace helped her a lot. I know Candace is disappointed but I bet she isn't holding it against anyone who made the team. Thought I would share the above picture because I remembered seeing them laughing together during the game. Probably about how they couldn't stop each other.
Sometimes the "kids" are more mature than a lot of the much older fans.
 
the both played excellent games and seem to like each other. put me in the camp that doesn't believe Stewart got the last spot over Parker for the USA team. there are several USA players that have either passed their peak or aren't as talented as Parker. those are the players who were erroneously selected.

In a Courant article "Auriemma admitted that sentimentality and loyalty influenced the selection of this initial group." (Roster Taking Shape)
I also remember that Carol Callan mentioned (in an article that I cannot find at the moment) that "sentimentality" played a part in the selection process.
I think "sentimentality" was the justification for including the players who had passed their peak (except for DT, who I think is still in top form). "Loyalty" I can understand, but "sentimentality" seems more difficult to support as a criteria in the selection of an Olympic team, and seems like a poor choice of words. That said, I am happy for everyone who made the team.:cool:
 
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In a Courant article "Auriemma admitted that sentimentality and loyalty influenced the selection of this initial group." (Roster Taking Shape)
I also remember that Carol Callan mentioned (in an article that I cannot find at the moment) that "sentimentality" played a part in the selection process.
I think "sentimentality" was the justification for including the players who had passed their peak (except for DT, who I think is still in top form). "Loyalty" I can understand, but "sentimentality" seems more difficult to support as a criteria in the selection of an Olympic team. That said, I am happy for everyone who made the team.:cool:

" Carol spoke about how the following factors played a role in the selection process: individual talent, players who fit roles on the team, sentimentality, age, previous Olympic or international experience, previous opportunities to be in the Olympics, and previous relationships with coaching and administrative staff."

Selecting the 2016 Women's Olympic Basketball Team (VIDEO)
 
Yes, it wasn't a good idea then and isn't now but even then most of the team was in place. The should wait argument is just an excuse to extend the whining.
Would you same the same if Candace got off to a bad start? Extending the selection is not really an argument is it? They actually did it so that would make it a FACT!


It would still be irrelevant if Candace was off to a great start or bad start. It would be irrelevant if she was off the team or on the team. I have already said there are players that an argument can be made for Candace being chosen over. BUT that the argument is not compelling enough to demand her being chosen over them and that there is strong argument for each of the players on the team. What is stupid is treating Candace as if she was necessity and irrefutable choice. She wasn't and isn't.
 
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Would you same the same if Candace got off to a bad start? Extending the selection is not really an argument is it? They actually did it so that would make it a FACT!
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If irrelevant, (extending selection time) , why did you incorrectly bring it up as a bad idea?
 
If irrelevant, (extending selection time) , why did you incorrectly bring it up as a bad idea?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't speaking of extending the selection time.
 
Bayarea, It is Candace not that I want to be the spelling police but there is a certain disrespectful element that deliberately misspells Geno's name when trying to be cute- & I would never associate you with that element.
Any Geno character assignations as a result of this selection are flat out wrong.
Any hint of Bias towards UCONN players in the selection process of the Olympic team is more wrong.
The de-selection of CP from this Olympic team is not justifiable on a basketball skills basis.
The exclusion of Charles Barkley from 1984 Olympic team is not even close because in 1984 Charles Barkley was not nearly the player he later became in fact he was not even 2nd team All-American=basketball skills reason.
The exclusions of Becky from the 2004 Olympic team ? Well, Becky was going to have to beat out Diana, Sue or Katie Douglas to make that team, she did not =basketball skills reason.

Yes my mistake on the spelling.... and thank you... i like candace and would never misspell her name intentionally....

I remember Barkley in 84 true he was not the superstar he would become during NBA career but I remember there was still great surprise he was not selected....

I guess my point in all this is that to read many of the write ins.... it is a case of Candace vs. (pick your) UConn player for roster spot. And behind that, is allegation that Geno is totally responsible for that..... and should be castigated for that

And that is what I get very tired of hearing.

In my career .... have lost jobs a couple of times thinking I was the best qualified. And as coach (albeit HS level) have chosen teams leaving someone out frequently who others thought should have been selected to team.
 
The horse no longer exists.... it's been beaten into dust.... there's an imprint of where the dead horse laid. Stop trying to beat the dead horse that no longer exists :P

Have a wonderful day :)

xoxo :oops::eek::D
 
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It would still be irrelevant if Candace was off to a great start or bad start. It would be irrelevant if she was off the team or on the team. I have already said there are players that an argument can be made for Candace being chosen over. BUT that the argument is not compelling enough to demand her being chosen over them and that there is strong argument for each of the players on the team. What is stupid is treating Candace as if she was necessity and irrefutable choice. She wasn't and isn't.
There were two separate threads predicting the 2016 Olympic team. There was no single Post predicting CP would not be on the Olympic Team.
There were several people predicting CP as an "irrefutable" choice for the team.

Here are some examples.

Locks in my mind... for 2016 Dee (she said she wants to come back and she's fitter than ever) Moore, Whalen, Parker, Charles, Fowles, Stewart, Augustus, McCaughtry, EDD

With Delle Donne, Candace Parker and Brittany Griner, Maya Moore, Dee and Sue, you can put anybody else out there with them and they still win by far!


The Absolute Sure shots- Tamika, Maya, Delle Donne, Parker, Diana, Brittney, Tina, Sue Bird. I have NO DOUBT about this great eight.


PFs

Candace Parker-starter, lock

Breanna Stewart-she's a lock. Based on Geno's track record, there's no way he is leaving her off the roster

Barring injuries, the only position that I think is really up for grabs is Augustus's. Sims could contend, McCoughtry may nab the spot. I don't see it going to Diggins. As good as Dupree and Ogwumike are, they don't have the skills to be perimeter small forwards and they will not be chosen over Stewart and Parker.


Bird - lock

Taursi - lock

Maya - lock

Candace - lock

Griner - lock

My dream scenario: Seeing Taurasi run the point with EDD and Maya on the wings and a dominating Parker/Griner duo in the frontcourt. Make it happen Geno! I don't care about position labels...

Do you consider all these people to be stupid?
 
Coached for over 15 years girl varsity HS. Cut 2 seniors during my tenure. Again, attitude is everything. Neither time was the cut disputed by the rest of the team.

That's because you've got a mean vicious bite Doggie. None of the other girls wanted to incur your wrath, or join those two seniors. :eek:

BTW.............................I've known MDoggie personally for over 15 years. We worked in buildings that were adjacent to one another for years. I do vouch for him being a coach. He joined the yard at my invitation. I'm just messing with him. :)
 
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That's because you've got a mean vicious bite Doggie. None of the other girls wanted to incur your wrath, or join those two seniors. :eek:
BTW.........I know MDoggie personally. We worked in buildings that were adjacent to one another for years. I do vouch for him being a coach. He joined the yard at my invitation. I'm just messing with him. :)
My only question is who is going to warn MDoggie about you and the company he's keeping? :cool:
 
My only question is who is going to warn MDoggie about you and the company he's keeping? :cool:

I never thought about that Coco, you might have something there. :eek:
 
Yes my mistake on the spelling.... and thank you... i like candace and would never misspell her name intentionally....

I remember Barkley in 84 true he was not the superstar he would become during NBA career but I remember there was still great surprise he was not selected....

I guess my point in all this is that to read many of the write ins.... it is a case of Candace vs. (pick your) UConn player for roster spot. And behind that, is allegation that Geno is totally responsible for that..... and should be castigated for that

And that is what I get very tired of hearing.

In my career .... have lost jobs a couple of times thinking I was the best qualified. And as coach (albeit HS level) have chosen teams leaving someone out frequently who others thought should have been selected to team.
The Geno I know is a very stand up guy, that makes it very easy for me to ignore these allegations. I don't know the committee, but if they were half the standup person, like Geno, they would justify the non-selection of Parker. By not justifying or explaining this non-select the committee leaves Geno, the UCONN players, the selection process, and CP to absorb pieces of highly misplaced blame. CP not being a team player or good enough to be member of this team? Give me a break!
 
In a Courant article "Auriemma admitted that sentimentality and loyalty influenced the selection of this initial group." (Roster Taking Shape)
I also remember that Carol Callan mentioned (in an article that I cannot find at the moment) that "sentimentality" played a part in the selection process.
I think "sentimentality" was the justification for including the players who had passed their peak (except for DT, who I think is still in top form). "Loyalty" I can understand, but "sentimentality" seems more difficult to support as a criteria in the selection of an Olympic team, and seems like a poor choice of words. That said, I am happy for everyone who made the team.:cool:
One can argue that Sue and Tamika could have been left off the team for a younger guard and Candace. Diana could play the point just fine. To me, it's more of a travesty not to bring along a young point guard than to leave Candace off the team, although that's pretty awful, too.
 
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One can argue that Sue and Tamika could have been left off the team for a younger guard and Candace. Diana could play the point just fine. To me, it's more of a travesty not to bring along a young point guard than to leave Candace off the team, although that's pretty awful, too.

I will note here that Courtney Vandersloot looked very good in Chicago's opener and leave it at that, lol.
 
And to Ice's point about whether or not the season's play should be taken into consideration.
It's one game...but the senior ladies did not distinguish themselves this weekend.
If they continue to play at this level, they become a problem for their W teams, forget the Olympics (hardly anticipated)
As Nan noted above ...Diana can more than adequately handle the point if required.
And the team seemingly has enough firepower to carry some sentimental fav's (if required)
But suppose the lack of service of a speedy young point becomes a liability that other teams attack?
 
It would still be irrelevant if Candace was off to a great start or bad start. It would be irrelevant if she was off the team or on the team. I have already said there are players that an argument can be made for Candace being chosen over. BUT that the argument is not compelling enough to demand her being chosen over them and that there is strong argument for each of the players on the team. What is stupid is treating Candace as if she was necessity and irrefutable choice. She wasn't and isn't.


No knowledgable women's basketball fan would leave Parker off the roster. If there was one power forward or center who you'd expect to be a lock, it was Candace. She has steadily played at an incredibly high level her entire career and is so uniquely skilled with her ability to score in multiple ways and create for others while being an uber athletic 6-4 forward. She is playing as well as anyone in the world and just came off a ridiculous WNBA season where she averaged 19 points, 10 boards and 6 assists. If her stats were averaged over the course of a season, she would have been #4 in the league in scoring, first in rebounding, first in assists, 5th in steals, 5th in blocks and the #2 assist/TO ratio in the league. Not to mention shooting 49% from the floor (good for 11th in the league).

In the WNBA, she has averaged between 17-20 ppg in every season where she wasn't coming back after giving birth, grabbed 7-10 rebounds per game and shot between 47-52% from the floor. Every year excluding her rookie season (where she averaged 15 points, 10 boards, 4 assists and 2 blocks) she has improved her numbers in the playoffs. Talent wise, there is zero question she should be a lock on the team.


When you look at USA Basketball experience, Parker was an integral part of both gold medal winning teams in 2012 and 2008. In 2012 she was 3rd on the team in scoring, 1st in rebounding, and 1st in blocks. After one bad half of basketball against Australia, in the gold medal game she led USA with 21 points and 11 rebounds. In 2008 she was a major contributor, averaging 9.4 ppg off the bench. She was also a member of the 2006 FIBA squad and had an even bigger role on that team. She also was on the USA jr teams in high school, leading teams to gold in 2003 and 2004. Experience wise, she should be a lock.

As for her missing 2010 and 2014 due to injuries, the idea that the committee punishes her for planning her surgeries around playing for team USA is ridiculous. Other players have missed camps/tournaments. Brittney Griner sat out in 2012 and Elena Delle Donne withdrew from tournaments in 2007. Playing basketball year round at the highest levels, dealing with injuries and being a full-time Mom.

Attitude wise, there have never been any reports of Parker being a poor or difficult teammate. Nor has she had off the court issues. She doesn't bark at her teammates, she shares the ball and by all accounts seems extremely likable. Angel McCoughtry has a long history of yelling at her teammates during games and of taking poor shots when there are open teammates available. Off the court, Brittney Griner has had multiple issues over the last 7-8 years but everyone overlooks those. The worst that can be said about Parker is that she comes off as cocky/arrogant. Well, that's the exact same trait that fans love and adore Diana Taurasi for, so I can't see that being the issue.

People can try to create reasonings for why Parker was left off the team, but there really isn't any logical argument for her being left off other than there is stuff behind the scenes we aren't made aware of.
 
Non-basketball skills related reasons for the deselecting someone from the Olympic team should be left to AAU basketball- you know the amateurs!
Well I'll go with the Olympic Committee on this one. I would hardly call them amateurs! Neither would I call Geno an amateur!
 
The Geno I know is a very stand up guy, that makes it very easy for me to ignore these allegations. I don't know the committee, but if they were half the standup person, like Geno, they would justify the non-selection of Parker. By not justifying or explaining this non-select the committee leaves Geno, the UCONN players, the selection process, and CP to absorb pieces of highly misplaced blame. CP not being a team player or good enough to be member of this team? Give me a break!

I agree with you about Geno being stand up guy..... but do not agree that have to have a media circus (which would turn out to be) to explain why this person was selected and this one not selected....

Anyway, whether you or others want that, it just is not done for the obvious reasons.....
 
The good thing about Candace not being on Olympic team. Is that she can focus on season with Sparks. The rest up during break.
 
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People can try to create reasonings for why Parker was left off the team, but there really isn't any logical argument for her being left off other than there is stuff behind the scenes we aren't made aware of.
Bingo! As yet, no one on the Olympic Committee, nor any of the Olympic players, have weighed in. I think most of us know there were other reasons, but again, because there's no official word, we can't post the reasons. One that is irrefutable is her missing the 2014 World Championships.

Some people seem to think that players are somehow "owed" a spot on the Olympic team. It's an honor to be selected, and it's an honor that has to be EARNED. Representing your country is in large part about team and country before self. I would submit that opting for the elective surgery once it was realized the Sparkes were going nowhere in 2014, so that her rehab would be done in time for the lucrative overseas season, but required her to rehab during the 2014 WC's in Istanbul was one reason. The others, as I said, can't be discussed without official statements from other Olympic players, or the Committee...

FWIW I was one, like most, who thought Parker was a lock for the Olympic team. That she wasn't selected (and knowing the $hitstorm that would follow), I would guess the Olympic Committee felt there was something(s) that was/were egregious enough to keep her off the team. We may never know - which is a bummer because it allows for speculation and outrage, but without all the facts...
 
Non-basketball skills related reasons for the deselecting someone from the Olympic team should be left to AAU basketball- you know the amateurs!
Deselection would imply that a player was on the last National Team selected for competition in 2014 - so deselected players were Nneka, Odyssey, and Candice (Dupree).

Also - no idea about the 2008 process, but the 2012 process of selection was 11 players with the 12 place left open for Griner who then declined. Do not remember when Jones was then named, but part of the consideration for her was that she was very familiar with all the systems Geno was running with the national team.
 
Bingo! As yet, no one on the Olympic Committee, nor any of the Olympic players, have weighed in. I think most of us know there were other reasons, but again, because there's no official word, we can't post the reasons. One that is irrefutable is her missing the 2014 World Championships.

Some people seem to think that players are somehow "owed" a spot on the Olympic team. It's an honor to be selected, and it's an honor that has to be EARNED. Representing your country is in large part about team and country before self. I would submit that opting for the elective surgery once it was realized the Sparkes were going nowhere in 2014, so that her rehab would be done in time for the lucrative overseas season, but required her to rehab during the 2014 WC's in Istanbul was one reason. The others, as I said, can't be discussed without official statements from other Olympic players, or the Committee...

FWIW I was one, like most, who thought Parker was a lock for the Olympic team. That she wasn't selected (and knowing the $hitstorm that would follow), I would guess the Olympic Committee felt there was something(s) that was/were egregious enough to keep her off the team. We may never know - which is a bummer because it allows for speculation and outrage, but without all the facts...
Actually missing the 2014 World Championships because of having surgery is not an irrefutable reason unless you have seen something that I have not. I have not seen that reason given anywhere except by mystery sources here. Others also missed the 2014 Worlds and also other training camps and Griner even declined the last Olympics.

And one more thing no one knows how much pain Candace was playing in. She may have been in a lot of pain and would have been in a lot of pain to try and make it through the World's. Not only are you speculating a lot about the reason she didn't make the team but also about her body and surgery without anything to back it up.
 
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Nobody from USA Basketball should come out and articulate any reason why or why not someone was selected...... This is just not done..... probably because it would just open Pandora's box......

Nobody cried any tears for Becky Hammon when in 2004 she was not chosen after obliterating many NCAA records at Colorado State.

It still amazes me that people deem themselves all powerful and omniscient and state beyond reservation that Parker should absolutely be given a spot on roster.

Is she one of the 12 best? I'll go along with that absolutely. Is there a mitigating factor which pushed someone else by her. Yes to that also.
 
Actually missing the 2014 World Championships because of having surgery is not an irrefutable reason unless you have seen something that I have not. I have not seen that reason given anywhere except by mystery sources here. Others also missed the 2014 Worlds and also other training camps and Griner even declined the last Olympics.

And one more thing no one knows how much pain Candace was playing in. She may have been in a lot of pain and would have been in a lot of pain to try and make it through the World's. Not only are you speculating a lot about the reason she didn't make the team but also about her body and surgery without anything to back it up.
Well you are obviously going to believe whatever you want. Maybe ask yourself this - unless the Olympic Committee has some sort of personal vendetta against Parker, then there MUST be a reason she was left off the team. She's certainly been on Geno coached teams before, so you can't blame him for it.

It's a fact that she missed the 2010 WC's as well as the 2014 WC's. @UConnCat had more info when she posted in the original "Parker off Olympic team" thread when she said:

The 2010 shoulder surgery was legit, though there is a story out there that she had originally intended to have it after the season and thus have to miss the world championships. She injured her shoulder, had the surgery early and that was that.

In 2014 she played in 32 games for the Sparks, including 2 playoff games and then decided a few days later to have what ESPN said was "minor surgery" which apparently couldn't wait a couple of months. She skipped the world championships again. Many of her veteran USA teammates probably needed some rest and minor procedures too but instead headed over to Istanbul to play for Team USA
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You can decide whatever you want and have opinions on the subject. There ARE reasons she's not on the team. That is a fact. Without direct quotes from the committee, all we can do is try to figure out what those reasons might be. No amount of boo-hooing at this point is going to get her on the team and you can claim it was a terrible decision based on whatever reasons you want to believe.
 
Well you are obviously going to believe whatever you want. Maybe ask yourself this - unless the Olympic Committee has some sort of personal vendetta against Parker, then there MUST be a reason she was left off the team. She's certainly been on Geno coached teams before, so you can't blame him for it.

It's a fact that she missed the 2010 WC's as well as the 2014 WC's. @UConnCat had more info when she posted in the original "Parker off Olympic team" thread when she said:

The 2010 shoulder surgery was legit, though there is a story out there that she had originally intended to have it after the season and thus have to miss the world championships. She injured her shoulder, had the surgery early and that was that.

In 2014 she played in 32 games for the Sparks, including 2 playoff games and then decided a few days later to have what ESPN said was "minor surgery" which apparently couldn't wait a couple of months. She skipped the world championships again. Many of her veteran USA teammates probably needed some rest and minor procedures too but instead headed over to Istanbul to play for Team USA
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You can decide whatever you want and have opinions on the subject. There ARE reasons she's not on the team. That is a fact. Without direct quotes from the committee, all we can do is try to figure out what those reasons might be. No amount of boo-hooing at this point is going to get her on the team and you can claim it was a terrible decision based on whatever reasons you want to believe.
The problem I have is that you are acting like the reason you gave is a fact and have no sources. There was actually a shoe article that came out that said sources close to Parker said the reasons she was given was that she was no longer the best at her position and that she didn't match up well with Australia. Nothing about her not playing in the World's and this was at least from sources and in print. And I do not think either reason is a good one since they take muliple forwards and the Australian national coach recently called her a matchup nightmare and one of the top 3 players in the world.

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