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intlzncster said:
Not a lawyer either, but 'For Cause' is typically a pretty high bar. Materially damaging the schools reputation (like Pitino or Paterno), major breaches of ethics, etc. Has nothing to do with performance or personal life (unless a law was broken).
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Cause could very well be performance based. It all depends on the contract terms.
 
Yorkeez4 said:
The NCAA is hoping that the FBI case takes years so they can invoke the statute of limitations on the heavy hitters and keep the status quo. Either that or after the federal case the NCAA investigation takes so many additional years that all the coaches involved have retired and they disperse the crowd saying "nothing to be seen here". Either way the bottom line is staus quo.
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Let’s hope the FBI knows what the Statute of Limitations is. Lol
 
intlzncster said:
Not a lawyer either, but 'For Cause' is typically a pretty high bar. Materially damaging the schools reputation (like Pitino or Paterno), major breaches of ethics, etc. Has nothing to do with performance or personal life (unless a law was broken).
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I believe for cause is defined in the contract. Failure to follow NCAA rules is a specific item but I’m sure not the only one.
 
fatlucy said:
Cause could very well be performance based. It all depends on the contract terms.
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CL82 said:
I believe for cause is defined in the contract. Failure to follow NCAA rules is a specific item but I’m sure not the only one.
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No doubt there are multiple things in there, but I'm guessing very few if any coach/agent is agreeing to negative performance 'cause' clause. There's performance incentives mind you.

But the whole point of a buyout is to protect your arse from firing, ie give you security. It also gives the school security if you do well, by restricting your movement.

Again, no lawyer here.
 
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TheChamps990411 said:
"Schools identified by Yahoo! as having players who possibly violated NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter Jr."

Those are some biiigggg names on this list. (gets popcorn ready) Lets start the show!!!
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Kinda sucks for USC...they are an awful program AND get caught cheating?!?
 
fatlucy said:
They can fire him for cause and let him take them to court to prove it. That gives them time to drag his name through the mud, bleed him for legal fees, ruin his relationships with the UCONN family, and allow the NCAA investigation to move forward hoping for some way to make it stick. This is hardball but so is his taking our money for ruining our program. If he plays hardball so should we. If he wants to stay part of the family, he negotiates and we part ways on good terms. Nice and clean.
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I definitely want him gone and he deserves to be fired. But if this is the method they go through, I would really have to reflect on whether or not I wanted to continue to watch and support the basketball program. He is still family and both parties signed a contract. Like someone said above, no one put a gun to the AD's head. Destroying a family member's reputation to save a few bucks might push me out. Just get it done quietly and let's all move on.
 
freescooter said:
That might be what they want but it isn’t what they’ll get. If there are indictments and more arrests they’ll happen over the next few months at most.
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Wetzel was on the radio with Clay Travis this morning and put the over/under on major college coaches who get fired because of this at 20. He said the FBI has 3,000 hours of recorded conversations from wiretaps and a ton of emails, and there are bound to be plenty of other coaches caught up in this. Said he expects that things will continue to drip out over the next couple years, with a particular rush when the trials take place next year and a lot of the evidence becomes public. Only way he sees it happening differently is if the NCAA enacts rule changes and declares a general amnesty on that basis.
 
selles said:
Wetzel was on the radio with Clay Travis this morning and put the over/under on major college coaches who get fired because of this at 20. He said the FBI has 3,000 hours of recorded conversations from wiretaps and a ton of emails, and there are bound to be plenty of other coaches caught up in this. Said he expects that things will continue to drip out over the next couple years, with a particular rush when the trials take place next year and a lot of the evidence becomes public. Only way he sees it happening differently is if the NCAA enacts rule changes and declares a general amnesty on that basis.
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I would be willing to bet the NCAA goes after the coaches and agents that broke their rules, but ultimately since there are so many schools involved, they will let them off scot free so long as they move on from the coaches implicated. Otherwise I just don't see how they could play basketball with half of the P5 programs banned from the tournament.
 
I've been spending down time at work going back through old stories of players taking $$ and gifts from agents. There are plenty of cases that we can point back to in history where the NCAA punished the schools involved with sanctions, vacated wins, etc. and it ends there. If the NCAA really wanted to uncover the massive underbelly of the sport, they had justification to do it back with Marcus Camby or even more recently with O.J. Mayo. But they will never be proactive with their investigations, only reactive. It's a "if we don't see it happening, we don't care" game. The FBI comes in with the resources and no stock in the NCAA, ends up following money trails to wherever it goes.

Bottom line, the NCAA will do whatever they can to keep the status quo, too much $$ at stake. Not sure they will come down with the hammer unless there is some push from a stronger entity (i.e. congress)
 
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spudzj6 said:
I've been spending down time at work going back through old stories of players taking $$ and gifts from agents. There are plenty of cases that we can point back to in history where the NCAA punished the schools involved with sanctions, vacated wins, etc. and it ends there. If the NCAA really wanted to uncover the massive underbelly of the sport, they had justification to do it back with Marcus Camby or even more recently with O.J. Mayo. But they will never be proactive with their investigations, only reactive. It's a "if we don't see it happening, we don't care" game. The FBI comes in with the resources and no stock in the NCAA, ends up following money trails to wherever it goes.

Bottom line, the NCAA will do whatever they can to keep the status quo, too much $$ at stake. Not sure they will come down with the hammer unless there is some push from a stronger entity (i.e. congress)
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I don't mean to defend the NCAA, but they don't exactly have the same powers to investigate that the FBI does. They can't subpoena anyone, they can't get warrants to search anyone's offices.

This is just further proof the entire college athletics model is a nonsensical anachronism that should probably just go away. Nowhere else in the world do they train young athletes this way, nowhere else in the world are university students made to subsidize the athletic careers of a small number of peers, nowhere else are young athletes unable to sign professional contracts. After becoming a soccer fan (mostly out of disgust with conference realignment), and really seeing how they do it with youth academies that are run by professional teams makes NCAA sports look idiotic by comparison. The incentives are ridiculous and the whole thing has become a clown show. I don't know how much longer I will stay interested.
 
If the NBA doesn’t want kids out of HS, why not let them go straight to the G League? Make it a mandatory 1 year stay. Teams that draft these kids know they won’t see the roster in first year. Their rookie deals can start in year 2. The one and done has killed college basketball dead. I can’t remember a time when I’ve become so distant from the sport. It ain’t all because UConn sucks.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
If the NBA doesn’t want kids out of HS, why not let them go straight to the G League? Make it a mandatory 1 year stay. Teams that draft these kids know they won’t see the roster in first year. Their rookie deals can start in year 2. The one and done has killed college basketball dead. I can’t remember a time when I’ve become so distant from the sport. It ain’t all because UConn sucks.
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The problem there is that the kids that can actually play at that level out of high school will most likely get paid more to attend Arizona for a year. It's a business and money talks. The elite kid doesn't care about school or attending class. The athletic department, boosters, and coaches don't really care about these kids education. It's time for the NCAA to stop pretending these kids are students.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
I don't mean to defend the NCAA, but they don't exactly have the same powers to investigate that the FBI does. They can't subpoena anyone, they can't get warrants to search anyone's offices.

This is just further proof the entire college athletics model is a nonsensical anachronism that should probably just go away. Nowhere else in the world do they train young athletes this way, nowhere else in the world are university students made to subsidize the athletic careers of a small number of peers, nowhere else are young athletes unable to sign professional contracts. After becoming a soccer fan (mostly out of disgust with conference realignment), and really seeing how they do it with youth academies that are run by professional teams makes NCAA sports look idiotic by comparison. The incentives are ridiculous and the whole thing has become a clown show. I don't know how much longer I will stay interested.
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Complete agree - I stated as such in previous posts, and noted that the FBI comes in with resources (and no stock in the NCAA to care about if it falls). But regardless of the NCAA reach, my overall point is the NCAA has treated past cases as isolated incidents, when they (and everyone on the planet) know the same kind of behavior is all over college sports. If they truly wanted this kind of behavior out of the sport more than they wanted to keep the money flowing, there were opportunities and justification to go down the rabbit hole. What that says about them involved in the current mess - they will do whatever they can to keep the status quo, and stir up as little change as possible.
 
selles said:
Wetzel was on the radio with Clay Travis this morning and put the over/under on major college coaches who get fired because of this at 20. He said the FBI has 3,000 hours of recorded conversations from wiretaps and a ton of emails, and there are bound to be plenty of other coaches caught up in this. Said he expects that things will continue to drip out over the next couple years, with a particular rush when the trials take place next year and a lot of the evidence becomes public. Only way he sees it happening differently is if the NCAA enacts rule changes and declares a general amnesty on that basis.
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Why would a NCAA general interesting amnesty make a difference one way or the other? The FBI isnt prosecuting NCAA rules, there prosecuting crimes.
 
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