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Johnny Mac said:
I had to look it up but Schiano was 28-48 in the Big East. His 8-13 BE performance from '09-'11 got him his Tampa gig. I don't understand where he gets this aura.
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But he beat Louisville in 2006!
 
LRock34 said:
He won at RU when the BE was actually a tough conference. We went to the BCS in a down year, don't kid yourself. I would welcome him, we need a guy who can recruit like him and get the fanbase fired up. We're in the AAC people, we need a salesman.
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When did he win the Big East? The best he did was tied for second. He's swamp-scum!
 
sportsart said:
All I can tell you is what I know to be true. There's a reason D Brown jumped ship so quickly. This year PP was basically running the defense, or at least the majority of it.

PP appears to be a stubborn, know it all, and had his hands way to deep in everything.
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This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We've heard plenty about PP/GDL totally overriding TJW from the get-go. We know how the handled Foley. Would it really be any surprise that the defensive guru PP would override his staff??
 
cryjeremiah said:
It blows my mind that people on this site have had the chutspah to throw his out as a candidate to be the next UConn HC. Really about the only thing he has on his resume is decent recruiting (shmoozing, conning, etc) abilities. how an NFL team thought it would be a good idea to hire him is beyond me. these teams ask about players most private details, but Tampa couldn't figure this guy out??

When it comes to the levels of sleaze, hiring Schiano would be about the equivalent of the b-ball program hiring the Squid. Except with the Squid, you might actually get to celebrate winning, at least until it all gets stripped.
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Schiano has cache. Hiring him would be a good start in getting our program to some sort of relevancy.
 
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Schiano brought RU out of the basement and got them stuck in the elevator.

Let me explain: the only thing he was successful at was convince kids to be excited about and come to rutgers. That's about it. There is no evidence to point to him being a good coach. He had one "dream" season, but I would attribute that more to Ray Rice than anything else.
 
JaYnYcE said:
Schiano has cache. Hiring him would be a good start in getting our program to some sort of relevancy.
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After how he has handled Tampa Bay, Freeman, MRSA infections, NFLPA investigations, etc., I think it's safe to say Schiano's cache accounts will be empty.

you see what i did there??.....
 
JaYnYcE said:
Schiano has cache. Hiring him would be a good start in getting our program to some sort of relevancy.
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If by relevancy you mean laughingstock you are right.

Schiano used to be the subject of many bad coaching threads in here when he was at Rutgers, i'm sure other fan bases feel the same way. The guy is not a good coach and UCONN would be laughed at if they hired him. Why don't we go after Rich Kotite too? He was an NFL head coach with local ties.

I'd rather see P rehired without GDL then Schiano. I'm not kidding.

If we want to go after a former NFL head coach Tony Sparano would be a much better option, he actually had some success in the NFL (runner up NFL coach of the year). I'm not saying Sparano is my guy (he'd be about #15 on my list) but I would take him over Schiano. The Dolphin players actually liked Sparano.
 
Schiano was like TB's 12th pick. No joke, they probably haven't fired him yet because they don't want to go through another hiring process.
 
You guys can raise your noses to the thought of hiring Schiano all you want, but he was instrumental in getting Rutgers in the B1G. We're in a cluster duck of a mess wrapped in misery right now and Schiano pointing to a playmaker like Ray Rice to help our recruiting absolutely helps.

Our two conference championships were great for the program and the kids who worked hard for them; but they meant absolutely nothing because everyone outside of The Boneyard knew what kind of teams we were when we won those titles. We need someone who can sell our program not only to recruits but also to investors and the power conferences. Schiano can do this, no matter how you feel about him.
 
JaYnYcE said:
You guys can raise your noses to the thought of hiring Schiano all you want, but he was instrumental in getting Rutgers in the B1G. We're in a cluster of a mess wrapped in misery right now and Schiano pointing to a playmaker like Ray Rice to help our recruiting absolutely helps.

Our two conference championships were great for the program and the kids who worked hard for them; but they meant absolutely nothing because everyone outside of The Boneyard knew what kind of teams we were when we won those titles. We need someone who can sell our program not only to recruits but also to investors and the power conferences. Schiano can do this, no matter how you feel about him.
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Did Schiano transplant Rutgers from some remote location to within 25 miles of the world's largest media market?
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
Did Schiano transplant Rutgers from some remote location to within 25 miles of the world's largest media market?
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No, but would they have been invited if they still played at the level they did pre-Schiano? NO! You are missing the perception the media and most of the country has as to the 2 programs - us and them. They are kicking our at every level when it comes to CFB. Stop throwing out the hey. we beat them in 2011 and we wona championship after getting beat by 50 by the co-champ routine because no one outside of the BY frigging cares.
 
gioff23 said:
No, but would they have been invited if they still played at the level they did pre-Schiano? NO! You are missing the perception the media and most of the country has as to the 2 programs - us and them. They are kicking our at every level when it comes to CFB. Stop throwing out the hey. we beat them in 2011 and we wona championship after getting beat by 50 by the co-champ routine because no one outside of the BY frigging cares.
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There is one word that refutes everything you said......Maryland.
 
JaYnYcE said:
You guys can raise your noses to the thought of hiring Schiano all you want, but he was instrumental in getting Rutgers in the B1G. We're in a cluster of a mess wrapped in misery right now and Schiano pointing to a playmaker like Ray Rice to help our recruiting absolutely helps.

Our two conference championships were great for the program and the kids who worked hard for them; but they meant absolutely nothing because everyone outside of The Boneyard knew what kind of teams we were when we won those titles. We need someone who can sell our program not only to recruits but also to investors and the power conferences. Schiano can do this, no matter how you feel about him.
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Jay,

If we had PGDL as our coach and we were located in NJ we would be in the B1G.
 
gioff23 said:
No, but would they have been invited if they still played at the level they did pre-Schiano? NO! You are missing the perception the media and most of the country has as to the 2 programs - us and them. They are kicking our at every level when it comes to CFB. Stop throwing out the hey. we beat them in 2011 and we wona championship after getting beat by 50 by the co-champ routine because no one outside of the BY frigging cares.
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There are many coaches who could have elevated Rutgers from their pre-Schiano level. What Edsall did here was more impressive, Jim Leavitt at USF was more impressive, Al Golden at Temple was much more impressive. Heck P at Syracuse was more impressive then Schiano at Rutgers. George O'Leary at UCF is more impressive.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
I can't believe people hang onto this notion that anything other than physical geography played a role in the B1G's decision.
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Having a better coach and having a team that was as good as Louisville last season might have given us an edge and made us look more attractive to FSU and Clemson. Those schools were worried about football relevance.
 
JaYnYcE said:
You guys can raise your noses to the thought of hiring Schiano all you want, but he was instrumental in getting Rutgers in the B1G. We're in a cluster of a mess wrapped in misery right now and Schiano pointing to a playmaker like Ray Rice to help our recruiting absolutely helps.

Our two conference championships were great for the program and the kids who worked hard for them; but they meant absolutely nothing because everyone outside of The Boneyard knew what kind of teams we were when we won those titles. We need someone who can sell our program not only to recruits but also to investors and the power conferences. Schiano can do this, no matter how you feel about him.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab-...competence-with-move-to-big-ten-19541709.html
 
metsfan2323 said:
There are many coaches who could have elevated Rutgers from their pre-Schiano level. What Edsall did here was more impressive, Jim Leavitt at USF was more impressive, Al Golden at Temple was much more impressive. Heck P at Syracuse was more impressive then Schiano at Rutgers. George O'Leary at UCF is more impressive.
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I'm sorry, but you have to be under 25. There were many coaches who tried to elevate RU. Joe Pa even snt one of his trusted liutenants there to wake up the ghosts. Every single one failed miserably. You're too young to recall the days when RU stood for, RU available for our homecoming game. They were a perennial loser who not one kid from Jersey would consider playing for. HCRE's accomplishments were impressive; did someone say they were not? Leavitt? Are you serious? He was sitting in the most fertile recruiting region in the country, playing in a patsy conference and did nothing - NOTHING. I'll let you chew on your P statement until the sour taste passes. Syracuse was a perennial powerhouse (Top 25) before P. It was a slow descent in to hell from there. Are you suggesting you would be happy if we hired Leavitt? P? HCRE?

The BIG picked geography, yes, but they waited for RU to be relevant. I can not be convinced they would have picked RU had RU not progressed since GS.

As i have said several times, I am not an advocate of GS as the next HC. I also said he would likely look at us as being beneath him. But stop letting your hatred of the school and jealousy that they found a winning lottery ticket blind you to the fact that without him, we are still asking if RU should be in the conference.
 
gioff23 said:
I'm sorry, but you have to be under 25. There were many coaches who tried to elevate RU. Joe Pa even snt one of his trusted liutenants there to wake up the ghosts. Every single one failed miserably. You're too young to recall the days when RU stood for, RU available for our homecoming game. They were a perennial loser who not one kid from Jersey would consider playing for. HCRE's accomplishments were impressive; did someone say they were not? Leavitt? Are you serious? He was sitting in the most fertile recruiting region in the country, playing in a patsy conference and did nothing - NOTHING. I'll let you chew on your P statement until the sour taste passes. Syracuse was a perennial powerhouse (Top 25) before P. It was a slow descent in to hell from there. Are you suggesting you would be happy if we hired Leavitt? P? HCRE?

The BIG picked geography, yes, but they waited for RU to be relevant. I can not be convinced they would have picked RU had RU not progressed since GS.

As i have said several times, I am not an advocate of GS as the next HC. I also said he would likely look at us as being beneath him. But stop letting your hatred of the school and jealousy that they found a winning lottery ticket blind you to the fact that without him, we are still asking if RU should be in the conference.
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You have yet to explain RU's co-invitee.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
There is one word that refutes everything you said......Maryland.
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Not sure I follow, but Maryland, like RU, is not only a geographic gold mine, both in terms of eyeballs and recruits, but they are Oregon East, circa 2000. Under Armour will pour money in there until they beg them to stop. And as they get the local talent to stay home, which they are doing, they will be a perennial bowler. Why would you not want UMd in a P5?
 
gioff23 said:
Leavitt? Are you serious? He was sitting in the most fertile recruiting region in the country, playing in a patsy conference and did nothing - NOTHING. I'll let you chew on your P statement until the sour taste passes. Syracuse was a perennial powerhouse (Top 25) before P. It was a slow descent in to hell from there.
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Leavitt was in a Patsy conference? It was the same one that Schiano was in, and South Florida just gets the scraps from their recruiting territory, NJ is actually very good recruiting territory so that argument fails.

P's slow decent into hell? His last year at Syracuse he tied for a Big East championship, something Schiano never did.

P had one losing season at Cuse. One in 14 years. Schiano was 4-8 his second to last year at Rutgers ......and P always played brutal schedules at Syracuse, Schiano is the master of the patsy out of conference schedule.
 
gioff23 said:
Not sure I follow, but Maryland, like RU, is not only a geographic gold mine, both in terms of eyeballs and recruits, but they are Oregon East, circa 2000. Under Armour will pour money in there until they beg them to stop. And as they get the local talent to stay home, which they are doing, they will be a perennial bowler. Why would you not want UMd in a P5?
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Not sure YOU follow? In one breath you claim that without Schiano's "winning" (LOL) at RU they wouldn't get invited. But Maryland, there were many other factors other than winning and attendance.

How about this. How many eyeballs and more importantly cable subscriptions fall under the NY/NJ and DC/Baltimore metro areas? Because that's about the only thing, other than athletic debt and mediocrity, that these 2 programs share in common.
 
ZooCougar said:
Edsall's two losing seasons helped Maryland fail upwards.
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Mds success and talent can be attributed to Mike Locksley and his RE saving recruiting prowess.Otherwise RE wouldn't still be there!
 
Not many schools have the good fortune of winning programs(except FB recently) and being squarely between 2 mega media markets....its only a matter of time before we (UConn b4 someone takes offense)get an invite but anyone in this position would get paranoid about CR!!
 
ZooCougar said:
Having a better coach and having a team that was as good as Louisville last season might have given us an edge and made us look more attractive to FSU and Clemson. Those schools were worried about football relevance.
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And that there, is proof positive of what I've been talking about whatever is left of this realignment stuff. The people that actually vote are the only reason we are not in another conference, and most of the time, the people that vote, really don't know what they're voting for, other than personal relationships.

If the people that voted, and did not include us in the ACC were actually concerned about football - and not the relationships they had in generating a vote - they'd have voted to bring a program in that makes geographic sense for all traveling sports, a program that brings basketball power, and for football programs like FSU and Clemson, money and exposure in giant media markets. Louisville, other than a basketball program, gives the ACC, and specifically the football programs at FSU and Clemson - none of that.

Tom Jurich banked well over a decade of relationship building when the landscape of intercollegiate athletics went haywire in the early 1990s and Louisville ended up in C-USA, and he cashed in on it in 2012.

That is all that happened.

For us, it's about continuing along the path of becoming the most prominent and healthy public university in New England, tri-state NY,NJ,CT area, and for athletics, It's entirely about building relationships, and maintaining personal relationships and good will, such that people that actually vote on such things (and there are very few) actually vote in our favor next time a vote comes up.

In sports, it's about winning and losing, and that's it. But in intercollegiate athletics, it's about politics, and politics is about personal relationships.
 
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