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whaler11 said:
Getting better Carl. Only 750 words to restate the obvious.
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Better?
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Did Schiano transplant Rutgers from some remote location to within 25 miles of the world's largest media market?
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Yes. I believe it used to be in Saskatchewan . It is amazing how no one remembers that anymore.

Good on you Shady.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Leavitt was in a Patsy conference? It was the same one that Schiano was in, and South Florida just gets the scraps from their recruiting territory, NJ is actually very good recruiting territory so that argument fails.

P's slow decent into hell? His last year at Syracuse he tied for a Big East championship, something Schiano never did.

P had one losing season at Cuse. One in 14 years. Schiano was 4-8 his second to last year at Rutgers ......and P always played brutal schedules at Syracuse, Schiano is the master of the patsy out of conference schedule.
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You do understand the Big East was considered a patsy for the past decade, right? If you don't, I give up.

So, I understand your logic, Leavitt gets credit for not recruiting in an area of more fertile recuruiting than Jersey? Got it. The point I am trying to make is that RU got the scraps from the Jersey before Schiano. He changed that. Did Leavitt at USF?

P's last year, SU was 6-6 and ended up tied for first (wit 1/2 of the frigging conference) - the whole frigging conference was "winners" that year - we sent to Pitt to get b* slapped by Utah, before they were in the Pac12. That was the start of the behind the scenes discussion to take away the conference's bid and EVENTUALLY LED THE CONFERENCES TO SAY - F*IT, WE'LL JUST TAKE EVERY TEAM.

And measure the trajectory of each - would you say RU was heading up? Would you say SU was heading down? You can even phone a friend and ask each of the teams fanbases thru their message board.

Other than that, you are right, we should hire Jim Leavitt. No wonder the Mets never win.
 
Well USF didn't have a program before Levitt.

Schiano clearly improved their football program - but it's not like they were wildly successful or he's someone you want on your sidelines.
 
whaler11 said:
Well USF didn't have a program before Levitt.

Schiano clearly improved their football program - but it's not like they were wildly successful or he's someone you want on your sidelines.
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Some would argue RU didn't either!

I never said I wanted him on our sideline, but he would be an upgrade and would help build a program (if he brought Hafley). We hit the restart button 2 weeks ago, and we need someone who can lift the talent and appreciation of UConn FB or we will, I fear, be relegated to the dumpster, permanently. This hire is huge and I sure hope WM has the right guy in mind.
 
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gioff23 said:
You do understand the Big East was considered a patsy for the past decade, right? If you don't, I give up. You do realize Schiano was in the same conference? So if you knock Leavitt's accomplishments you are also knocking shady aren't you? You're not looking very bright here.

So, I understand your logic, Leavitt gets credit for not recruiting in an area of more fertile recuruiting than Jersey? Got it. The point I am trying to make is that RU got the scraps from the Jersey before Schiano. He changed that. Did Leavitt at USF? This is stupid, who are the in state schools RU is competing with for recruits who want to stay in state?

P's last year, SU was 6-6 and ended up tied for first (wit 1/2 of the frigging conference) -well Rutgers must have been in the bottom half the whole frigging conference was "winners" nope not Rutgers that year - we sent to Pitt to get b* slapped by Utah, before they were in the Pac12. That was the start of the behind the scenes discussion to take away the conference's bid and EVENTUALLY LED THE CONFERENCES TO SAY - F*IT, WE'LL JUST TAKE EVERY TEAM.

And measure the trajectory of each - would you say RU was heading up? Would you say SU was heading down? P getting fired was the best thing that happened to Schiano because Ray Rice was on his way to Syracuse which would have altered each schools trajectory a bit don't you think? You can even phone a friend and ask each of the teams fanbases thru their message board.

Other than that, you are right, we should hire Jim Leavitt. I never said that, now you are just making crap up dumb ass, but I would take him over shady No wonder the Mets never win. I'll have a hard time recovering from that one
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gioff23 said:
Some would argue RU didn't either!

I never said I wanted him on our sideline, but he would be an upgrade and would help build a program (if he brought Hafley). We hit the restart button 2 weeks ago, and we need someone who can lift the talent and appreciation of UConn FB or we will, I fear, be relegated to the dumpster, permanently. This hire is huge and I sure hope WM has the right guy in mind.
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He's an upgrade over walking corpses?

He's not the guy. Not sure why you are so passionate in arguing for him if you don't want him.
 
I wasn't trying to argue, merely point out that if you told someone in 2000 that RU would be a perennial bowl game attendee, ranked in top 25, even for a week, basically own recruiting in their home state, and would be moving to the B1G, you might get put away.

I cant seem to get the young lad to think about a time before playstation. How the heck can I convince him that FL has perhaps 1 or 2 more highly recruited kids than NJ a year coming out? Can you imagine the implausible look if he learned that as much as Rice made Schiano, McNabb killed P (by coming back for a final year and causing Vick to decommit and head to Tech, where he made Beamer a household name)?
 
metsfan2323 said:
There are many coaches who could have elevated Rutgers from their pre-Schiano level. What Edsall did here was more impressive, Jim Leavitt at USF was more impressive, Al Golden at Temple was much more impressive. Heck P at Syracuse was more impressive then Schiano at Rutgers. George O'Leary at UCF is more impressive.
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Leavitt had a better recruiting location than Schiano so he ranks below GS in program development. I'm not even going to comment on Al Golden since he wasn't there at Temple as long as GS was at RU. Coach P inherited a great SU program so he doesn't qualify. RU didn't have any relevant tradition prior to GS' arrival. Compared to Edsall I'd say it's a tossup; I can see how both sides can say who was more impressive in developing their program from the ground up. I don't know about O'Leary and if he worked at UCF he also fails. FL, TX, CA, PA are probably in the top 5 of recruiting hot beds. NJ may be in the top 10.
 
sportsart said:
Jay,

If we had PGDL as our coach and we were located in NJ we would be in the B1G.
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That's hypothetical. A conference isn't going to choose a school based solely on location. There are other factors (minor or major) that a majority of us don't know about.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Leavitt was in a Patsy conference? It was the same one that Schiano was in, and South Florida just gets the scraps from their recruiting territory, NJ is actually very good recruiting territory so that argument fails.

P's slow decent into hell? His last year at Syracuse he tied for a Big East championship, something Schiano never did.

P had one losing season at Cuse. One in 14 years. Schiano was 4-8 his second to last year at Rutgers ......and P always played brutal schedules at Syracuse, Schiano is the master of the patsy out of conference schedule.
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Didn't he go 6-6 his last year at Cuse? How can you defend a record like that after Cuse was still a relevant force in the Northeast?
 
"nope not Rutgers"....no,but they beat SU and PP in that last year before RR chose RU over SU along with all-state/ all-MSG NY/NJ team mate Cornell Greene from New Rochelle who joined him.Some say the RU loss was the last straw along with his unwavering loyalty to GDL(which I respect)!
 
JaYnYcE said:
That's hypothetical. A conference isn't going to choose a school based solely on location. There are other factors (minor or major) that a majority of us don't know about.
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Why does a school located between NYC and Boston need to be in NJ?If PP was RUs coach I doubt they would've been considered despite there location.I think hiring him hindered anyone from thinking UConn took FB serious enough at a critical time!I like and respect PP as a man with real old fashioned loyalties but others(B1G/ACC) perceive him as a dinosaur!
 
JaYnYcE said:
That's hypothetical. A conference isn't going to choose a school based solely on location. There are other factors (minor or major) that a majority of us don't know about.
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Right they pick them based on how many cable subscribers can be charged.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Theirs. What does that have to do with this discussion?
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You posted a link that is bashing RU and MD yet you would prefer to be in their shoes at the end of the day. That confuses me.
 
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JaYnYcE said:
You posted a link that is bashing RU and MD yet you would prefer to be in their shoes at the end of the day. That confuses me.
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Pointing out that on a pure athletic level UConn is more worthy than either Maryland or Rutgers while being envious of reality shouldn't be confusing unless you are being intentionally obtuse.
 
JaYnYcE said:
You posted a link that is bashing RU and MD yet you would prefer to be in their shoes at the end of the day. That confuses me.
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I posted that link as a response to the idiocy of claiming Schiano was instrumental in getting RU to the B1G.

But you already knew that.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
I posted that link as a response to the idiocy of claiming Schiano was instrumental in getting RU to the B1G.

But you already knew that.
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He was. He was the head coach who brought them from obscurity to bowl wins. To say he wasn't is lying.
 
Do you really believe that if RU were still playing at the same level they were pre-Schiano they would be in the B1G? I don't.
 
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gioff23 said:
Do you really believe that if RU were still playing at the same level they were pre-Schiano they would be in the B1G? I don't.
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Yes. Can I be any clearer about that?

They took Maryland after 2 years with a combined 6 wins and 20k in the stands. What else do you need to know? What's the common thread between the 2 schools? Geographic .
 
Getting back to Schiano as a coach, I would talk to him. He is to me one of those guys who is a made for college coach. I was surprised that an NFL team took him, and I am not surprised he is struggling there. There are some guys who work well in both college and the pros, but there are lots of guys who are much better at one level or the other. Good coaches, but their style just doesn't work at the NFL level or the college level. Guys like Saban and Spurrier are great examples. Both had great success in college but were less than masterful in the NFL. While I don't think Schiano is on their level, I think he is much better suited to college coaching too. the Rah Rah style and all that doesn't really work with professionals for more than a brief period, and it really doesn't work when you're not winning. I think Pete Carroll might be another, though he has been more successful in Seattle than either New York or New England.
 
It can't be said any better than this:
cryjeremiah said:
It blows my mind that people on this site have had the chutspah to throw his out as a candidate to be the next UConn HC. Really about the only thing he has on his resume is decent recruiting (shmoozing, conning, etc) abilities. how an NFL team thought it would be a good idea to hire him is beyond me. these teams ask about players most private details, but Tampa couldn't figure this guy out??

When it comes to the levels of sleaze, hiring Schiano would be about the equivalent of the b-ball program hiring the Squid. Except with the Squid, you might actually get to celebrate winning, at least until it all gets stripped.
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Schiano would make 3/4 of our fan base vomit.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Yes. Can I be any clearer about that?

They took Maryland after 2 years with a combined 6 wins and 20k in the stands. What else do you need to know? What's the common thread between the 2 schools? Geographic smut.
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MD had a better football program in those two bad years than Rutgers had prior to Schiano arriving at Rutgers.
 
metsfan2323 said:
It can't be said any better than this:


Schiano would make 3/4 of our fan base vomit.
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Schiano isn't even in the same league of slime as Callipari. He rebuilt Rutgers, or arguably built the program for the first time. Until Schiano I think it can be argued that the Ruts really tried to do 1A football on the cheap. Not even on the same universe with Callipari, though in terms of sliminess. ...but in either case, UConn fans would vomit right up until the coach in question wins a championship. At that point, he would be brilliant. That's just the way fans are. Any fans, really.
 
freescooter said:
Until Schiano I think it can be argued that the Ruts really tried to do 1A football on the cheap. Not even on the same universe with Callipari, though in terms of sliminess. ...but in either case, UConn fans would vomit right up until the coach in question wins a championship. At that point, he would be brilliant. That's just the way fans are. Any fans, really.
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Thanks for reminding me, Schiano spent Rutgers into the ground and had less success then UCONN did even though he had better recruits from NJ which he won't be able to get here.

There is no evidence Shiano can win a championship in anything, he is a terrible sideline coach who does less with more (his D got ripped two years ago by DeLeone and McEntee) UCONN needs to find someone who can do more with less. We need a Head Coach not just a recruiter with a bad, look at me, i'm great attitude. Schiano also always seems to have a stormy relationship with QB's which is the last thing we need now that we finally have a good one.

You seem a lot smarter when you post about Pete Lembo:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s-corner-ball-state-coach-pete-lembo/2959833/

Q: Did you have a favorite college team when you were growing up?
A: Yeah, I was a big Michigan fan growing up. In fact, I've got a picture of Bo Schembechler on my wall.
Q: How did you end up with Michigan?
A: Growing up in the Northeast, there just weren't that many big-time college programs. So you ended up watching whatever was on ABC. On Staten Island, we didn't have cable TV. We were the only borough in the city that didn't have cable TV. So you were just watching what was on CBS, NBC or ABC. Michigan, obviously, was always a top-25 team back then, and I ended up becoming a big Michigan fan growing up. The other thing I can remember watching growing up was the PBS channel in New York used to cover an Ivy League game of the week. So I'd come back from my Pop Warner game in the early 80s, late 70s, you'd turn on the TV and there was Princeton playing Cornell. That would be one of the games that would be on a TV on a Saturday. That Michigan thing for sure. I used to love the physicality and the ruggedness of those teams. And being an offensive lineman my whole life, how could you not like watching Michigan football back in the day?
 
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