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I'm just confused.

Pretty sure the poster implied it was especially bad that I was posting about being disconcerted about the level of effort in the blowout because I had questioned the effort of bench players before.

i don't think I've questioned the effort of the team before.

It doesn't matter though.
No, his implication was that in blowout wins the bench was “piling it on”. Read the quote again:

”There is something a little disconcerting about how hard the backups play in garbage time, but at same time it's hard to ask them to play poorly.”
 
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You’re not wrong, but I still think we need to continue playing Clemson. It’s just nice to give the little programs in state a chance to experience the sport at the highest level.
Oh, I agree about Clempsun. Indeed, they can generally be a Quad 2 program. But MS VSt? Quad 4 and at the bottom of that? Those type of games, if scheduled at all, should be against SCState, CoC, Wofford USC upstate etc.

I realize that MSSVSst was a late fill in for Stanford but dayum. No. 1 vs No. 358 is . . .
 
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Oh, I agree about Clempsun. Indeed, they can generally be a Quad 2 program. But MS VSt? Quad 4 and at the bottom of that? Those type of games, if scheduled at all, should be against SCState, CoC, Wofford USC upstate etc.

I realize that MSSVSst was a late fill in for Stanford but dayum. No. 1 vs No. 358 is . . .
Where did you hear that MV St. was a fill in for Stanford? I thought I had read it was a fill in for Coastal Carolina who backed out at the last second.
 
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Where did you hear that MV St. was a fill in for Stanford? I thought I had read it was a fill in for Coastal Carolina who backed out at the last second.
Oh heck, I don’t remember where I read it among the many things I’ve read but it was a very late addition to the schedule after it became clear that Stanford was a no-go. I’ll accept you version.
 
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Oh heck, I don’t remember where I read it among the many things I’ve read but it was a very late addition to the schedule after it became clear that Stanford was a no-go. I’ll accept you version.
The issue for all those second guessing this game is that it takes two to tangle. Because of our success, there were a number of high division 1 schools who refuse to schedule us. This leaves us with trying to complete a schedule to ensure that we play the maximum number of games allowed. Since we have recently played in overseas tournaments, this was not an issue, but you have to find a team that one is willing and has the availability to play the game and also will be willing to come to us. We gave Stanford a big gate last year, and they back out of our home game. The girls did what they had to do so I have no problem with this game. It was beyond their control.
 
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No, his implication was that in blowout wins the bench was “piling it on”. Read the quote again:

”There is something a little disconcerting about how hard the backups play in garbage time, but at same time it's hard to ask them to play poorly.”

Ok I'm resolving the confusion in my brain gradually. It takes time sometimes.

I made the comment about how it felt to me watching the team playing extremely extremely hard up 70.

Then you said that the backups playing hard in a 70 point blowout prepares them for playing in a future tight game, which was a separate point. I meant to say that I did not see the two situations being very similar. (Aside: if anything it might teach bad habits like overplaying for steals vs a defeated opponent that would probably be fouls in a tight game.)

You responded that I had just been "bitching about the bench players playing hard" which didn't make sense to me as it seemed like you were saying the two things were inconsistent. Bitching about bench players playing hard (I wouldn't call it bitching) wouldn't be inconsistent with saying that playing up 70 is not really good preparation for playing in a tight game.

So I thought you must be saying I'd previously made an inconsistent statement questioning the effort of the backups. I misunderstood your second post.

My apologies. I think I understand now.
 
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The issue for all those second guessing this game is that it takes two to tangle. Because of our success, there were a number of high division 1 schools who refuse to schedule us. This leaves us with trying to complete a schedule to ensure that we play the maximum number of games allowed. Since we have recently played in overseas tournaments, this was not an issue, but you have to find a team that one is willing and has the availability to play the game and also will be willing to come to us. We gave Stanford a big gate last year, and they back out of our home game. The girls did what they had to do so I have no problem with this game. It was beyond their control.

Not sure why our matchup here is any worse that the cupcakes on everyone else's schedule. I wouldn't worry about it much.

I'd worry more whether the big dogs we did schedule turn out to be the actual big dogs this year.

Seems like UCLA and Texas might be it. We've schedule both in past and it does take two. Seems like UCLA might be coming back down the road?
 
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I just wanted to clear up any confusion. I was the one who speculated Stanford could possibly be the game this replaced not that this is a fact.

Dawn said this was a late addition and as we remember we were one of the last schools to release our schedule. So I'm sure by the time we went around looking for teams it was slim pickings as it relates to finding teams willing to play us at CLA and play us during the Thanksgiving break with all the tournaments going on.

I still don't think this game is worth getting upset over. The first four games were against power 5 schools and one of the top mid majors and we follow it up with two more ACC schools. This young team is getting challenged enough that one easier game here and there is hardly detrimental.
 
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In a few minutes we'll see if the Gamecock Men can make it a sweep over the Irish this season.
 
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In a few minutes we'll see if the Gamecock Men can make it a sweep over the Irish this season.
They won! I'm starting to become a believer in Lamont Paris! Mississippi State men's team lost so we're the last standing undefeated men's /women's teams in the SEC.
 
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Whole different team from last year. As a MBB season ticket holder the last 10 years, it has been fun to attend the games. Terrific crowd today. Lower bowl was at least 90% full - likely greater. Good crowd up top. A lot of fans curious if this team is for real.

Basketball squads avenging the Gator Bowl loss. ;)
Lower bowl was less than 90% full?
 
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You’re not wrong, but I still think we need to continue playing Clemson. It’s just nice to give the little programs in state a chance to experience the sport at the highest level.
Kind of like what the Clemson football team does for the Gamecocks!
 

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They won! I'm starting to become a believer in Lamont Paris! Mississippi State men's team lost so we're the last standing undefeated men's /women's teams in the SEC.

I just looked at the schedule. Don't start to believe yet... :rolleyes:



Clemson is undefeated as well.... should be interesting on Wednesday night. They are legit.
 
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I just looked at the schedule. Don't start to believe yet... :rolleyes:



Clemson is undefeated as well.... should be interesting on Wednesday night. They are legit.
Good point. Arkansas looks like they might be pretty tough. :confused:
 
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I just looked at the schedule. Don't start to believe yet... :rolleyes:



Clemson is undefeated as well.... should be interesting on Wednesday night. They are legit.
I'm looking at it from a different perspective of building a program that was left in shambles after Frank Martin was let go. Sure, we may not have a winning record at the end of the season but unlike the past we're winning the games we should win and they actually look like a well coached team for once. To me right now it's more about the team chemistry and execution of LPs system. I think LP is taking the right steps towards building a program that can compete in NCAA tournament on a consistent basis. That is where my hope is built. I'm not expecting to be in the top half of the SEC but I also don't expect to be a bottom dweller either.
 
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I'm looking at it from a different perspective of building a program that was left in shambles after Frank Martin was let go. Sure, we may not have a winning record at the end of the season but unlike the past we're winning the games we should win and they actually look like a well coached team for once. To me right now it's more about the team chemistry and execution of LPs system. I think LP is taking the right steps towards building a program that can compete in NCAA tournament on a consistent basis. That is where my hope is built. I'm not expecting to be in the top half of the SEC but I also don't expect to be a bottom dweller either.

I don't really think this is the place to discuss USC MBB.

But it's worth mentioning that Frank's only losing season in his last 8 years was the Covid year when he had multiple health problems in that chaos.

Lamont is half way through his second OOC and has lost to plenty of teams that you might think a HM should not lose to.

Not to slam Lamont, I like the QZ, but we did not lose every game under Martin. We were 18-13, 9-9 his final season. Which is a top quarter result for post ACC USC hoops.
 
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I don't really think this is the place to discuss USC MBB.

But it's worth mentioning that Frank's only losing season in his last 8 years was the Covid year when he had multiple health problems in that chaos.

Lamont is half way through his second OOC and has lost to plenty of teams that you might think a HM should not lose to.

Not to slam Lamont, I like the QZ, but we did not lose every game under Martin. We were 18-13, 9-9 his final season. Which is a top quarter result for post ACC USC hoops.
Martin lost plenty in his first two seasons and inexplicably continued to lose to non conference cupcakes deep into his tenure. The basketball program was spinning its wheels in mud and going nowhere under Frank. His recruiting was very middling, either very late to the party with high level recruits or not even bothering at all whereas Lamont has reportedly been aggressive going after 4 and 5 star talent, that will likely be beneficial down the road in his rebuild. And of course we no longer have Martin’s embarrassing demeanor on the sidelines. The change in atmosphere in the CLA was vastly evident even from Paris’ first game as Gamecock HC.

And I’ll stop there with MBB stuff for now.

Go Gamecocks - Beat the Tarholes!
Hope Pao Pao has an awesome game and Tessa knocks down a couple from deep as well if she makes it into the game.
 
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Martin lost plenty in his first two seasons and inexplicably continued to lose to non conference cupcakes deep into his tenure. The basketball program was spinning its wheels in mud and going nowhere under Frank. His recruiting was very middling, either very late to the party with high level recruits or not even bothering at all whereas Lamont has reportedly been aggressive going after 4 and 5 star talent, that will likely be beneficial down the road in his rebuild. And of course we know longer have Martin’s embarrassing demeanor on the sidelines. The change in atmosphere in the CLA was vastly evident even from Paris’ first game as Gamecock HC.

And I’ll stop there with MBB stuff for now.

Go Gamecocks - Beat the Tarholes!
Hope Pao Pao has an awesome game and Tessa knocks down a couple from deep as well if she makes it into the game.
Awesome post…thx

I’m thinking something like 84-68 SC….
 
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