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Sanogo and Cole make all-Big East First Team, Hawkins all Frosh

Honestly a bit surprised we got both Cole and Sanogo 1st team. Congrats to them and they both deserve it. I figured one of them would have been snubbed with 2nd team

Unfortunately, that's probably why Martin didn't even get an honorable mention, which is a big snub.
 
auror said:
I've posted this elsewhere, but Champagnie on the first team is a joke based on his play during conference season. 97 ORTG. He wasn't even a top 10 player by any metric (let alone top 5), even the ones that adjust for high usage. He took 6 3's a game and only hit 28% of them. Only made 42% of his 2's. That cost his team some games.
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I have watched a lot of St John's games and I agree. Champagnie when he is on might be the best player in the Big East but there are too many times when he is off and he misses a lot of open perimeter shots. I don't think he enhanced his draft prospect at all this year. In fact, I think he felt the pressure and it affected his performance.
 
bendm said:
I’m sorry but what’s the point in putting 6 on the first team, 5 in the second team, and 4 on the third team just do 5-5-5. But congrats to Cole and sanogo.
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The 1st and 2nd teams are 5 players technically. The POY is not included but will come from 1 of the 6 1st team guys and is just announced later. I'm not positive on the last part but I believe the HM is not a 3rd team but just anyone else who received a vote
 
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navery12 said:
The 1st and 2nd teams are 5 players technically. The POY is not included but will come from 1 of the 6 1st team guys and is just announced later. I'm not positive on the last part but I believe the HM is not a 3rd team but just anyone else who received a vote
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i see. then congrats to colin g on BE POY.
 
creighton is going to be good for a while w/ 3 guys on the all frosh team
 
Tough for Martin, few guys bring such a strong all around game. Inside, outside, rebounding, defense. Guy is a beast. Hope it fires him up. Sanogo and Cole deserve the spots. Surprised by Hawkins.
 
Warning to the rest of the Big East, word is the Friars are pissed off with all the snubs and that is not good for the rest of you when they play with a chip on their shoulders!!! Everyone keep the disrespect going, it’s fuel!!
 
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McLovin said:
Side note, really impressive for Sanogo since he wasn’t on any of the preseason lists and now is 1st team Big East and 1 of 5 finalists for top center in the entire NCAA.

The dude is only a sophomore too… his ceiling is so high.
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A month ago, he was still a teenager.
 
Rico444 said:


Well deserved!
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Agree that it is odd they didn’t pick 5 players for the Honorable Mentions? Seems like Tyrese would fit in perfectly with the other players stats-wise. Here is the breakdown:

Kalkbrenner: 13.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG
Morsell: 13.3 PPG, 3.6 RPG
Alexander: 14.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG
Nunge: 13.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG

Tyrese averages 13.4 PPG and 7.6 RPG- very comparable. The only reason why maybe the other 4 were selected is because of their defense? (I know Morsell and Alexander are very solid defenders.) Although I would say Tyrese is a pretty good defender himself. Just found it odd they didn’t list 5 players here, he should be the 5th IMO.
 
UCLJ0211 said:
Agree that it is odd they didn’t pick 5 players for the Honorable Mentions? Seems like Tyrese would fit in perfectly with the other players stats-wise. Here is the breakdown:

Kalkbrenner: 13.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG
Morsell: 13.3 PPG, 3.6 RPG
Alexander: 14.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG
Nunge: 13.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG

Tyrese averages 13.4 PPG and 7.6 RPG- very comparable. The only reason why maybe the other 4 were selected is because of their defense? (I know Morsell and Alexander are very solid defenders.) Although I would say Tyrese is a pretty good defender himself. Just found it odd they didn’t list 5 players here, he should be the 5th IMO.
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i think there are typically only two honorable mentions, so there must have been some ties.

i would have had nunge second team. would certainly take rese over morsell and probably posh, though.
 
UCLJ0211 said:
Agree that it is odd they didn’t pick 5 players for the Honorable Mentions? Seems like Tyrese would fit in perfectly with the other players stats-wise. Here is the breakdown:

Kalkbrenner: 13.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG
Morsell: 13.3 PPG, 3.6 RPG
Alexander: 14.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG
Nunge: 13.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG

Tyrese averages 13.4 PPG and 7.6 RPG- very comparable. The only reason why maybe the other 4 were selected is because of their defense? (I know Morsell and Alexander are very solid defenders.) Although I would say Tyrese is a pretty good defender himself. Just found it odd they didn’t list 5 players here, he should be the 5th IMO.
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Others have said honorable mention isn't specifically selected, it's just people who got votes but didn't make second team. So there's no particular number.
 
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Creighton dominated the freshman team. I'm ok with Creighton being very good next year or the following.... as long as they make some noise in the tournament.
 
There will be a bullseye on all the 1st team players. Just an incredible accomplishment in 2 years of Big East.
Now just prove what everyone fears, and can feel the rightful owner is here and wants his stuff back.
 
jibsey said:
Explain how Hawkins is all freshman. Weak group?
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This one is confusing to me too, but we'll certainly take the recognition. Hopefully a nice confidence boost for him.
 
Does it say who had more votes between Cole and Sanogo?
 
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jibsey said:
Explain how Hawkins is all freshman. Weak group?
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Because of the extra Covid year I don't think many freshmen got a lot of run. Villanova had a bunch of 4 star recruits who never played also.
 
HooperScooper said:
Because of the extra Covid year I don't think many freshmen got a lot of run. Villanova had a bunch of 4 star recruits who never played also.
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Longino was playing a bunch earlier in the season. Not sure if his diminished playing time was because of injury or poor play but something changed.
 
Worth noting that Creighton had the freshman of the year and 3 players total on the all freshman team. They’re going to be a major problem for the next few years as so many players around the league lose eligibility.
 
UcannUconn said:
Longino was playing a bunch earlier in the season. Not sure if his diminished playing time was because of injury or poor play but something changed.
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He barely played all year, the only games he got double digit minutes in were cupcakes and blowouts
 
Cole has better numbers than Gillespie and is more important to his team, but Gillespie gets pumped by the media so he’ll win POY. He’s the most Duke-like player in the conference. I think it’s a coin flip between Cole and Gillespie for POY, but voters in the league apparently don’t. Not as criminal as when Kemba had the POY stolen from him, but still annoying
 
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