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Samson Johnson - The Value of Waiting Your Turn. Will the Fab Five Follow the Model? What Say You?

superjohn said:
There were these guys named Rip Hamilton, Kevin Freeman, and Jake Voskuhl who played at UConn.

There was also this guy Caron Butler and his buddy Taliek Brown who played at UConn.

There was also these guys Jerome Dyson, Hasheem Thabeet, Marcus Johnson, Stanley Robinson, Curtis Kelly, Doug Wiggins.

I don't know why you create these wild arguments. Of course we've had freshmen who contributed greatly under Calhoun and under Hurley and of course most of them got better as sophomores.
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90s are too far back for me. The Dyson and Hasheem team was the one I was referring to. I don’t think you’re bringing in transfers over guys who were scoring 15 PPG either with Rip and Caron anyways.

I’m pulling from the middle tier here on experienced teams, but you can’t tell me any of Hurley’s freshmen have played fearless like these guys. Again, there’s way better examples to pull from too outside of these two. But that’s how Calhoun coached them to play. And they were better off for it.



 
I just want Solo to attack the rim more, specifically on close outs because teams will know he’s a willing shooter. Seems like most of his 2s have come on putbacks. I love that aspect of crashing, but use that otherworldly athleticism and wingspan and go force a foul or get a bucket.
 
Palatine said:
You know, Samson didn't "wait his turn." He was injured and unable to play which led to him losing his spot in the rotation.

The so called Fab Five are all healthy. They have to opportunity to win playing time but none (Castle excepted) has done so. Solo is merely a place holder for the injured Castle. It unlikely any will wait their turn if they are healthy and sit for two years.
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Solo although he hasn't shot it well yet has definitely earned playing time. I think Stewart will continue to improve and see a few minutes regularly. We knew Singare was a project and Ross wasn't projected to see much time year one. And of course Castle is a stud so the freshman are probably performing as expected. I'm still pretty high on this class and we weren't going to play a rotation of more than 8 maybe 9
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
90s are too far back for me. The Dyson and Hasheem team was the one I was referring to. I don’t think you’re bringing in transfers over guys who were scoring 15 PPG either with Rip and Caron anyways.

I’m pulling from the middle tier here on experienced teams, but you can’t tell me any of Hurley’s freshmen have played fearless like these guys. Again, there’s way better examples to pull from too outside of these two. But that’s how Calhoun coached them to play. And they were better off for it.



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I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Our best freshman has been out with injury, our freshman who replaced him in the starting lineup has the green light and just shot 8 threes last game. A freshman led us in minutes last year and our other freshman last year backed up the best big in the country and was hugely important to UConn winning the title. Bouknight averaged 26 minutes as a freshman despite being wildly immature and getting in major trouble off the court. Akok averaged 28 minutes per game as a freshman, Gaffney 19 minutes per game. Sanogo got 17 minutes per game, I thought it should've been bumped up to around 20 minutes per game but whatever. Jackson got 16 minutes per game. Hawkins got 15 minutes per game. Neither of them were ready and they were still thrown into the fire, they would've gotten more minutes if they didn't get dinged up.


Marcus Williams averaged 14 minutes per game and 3 ppg as a frosh before having to sit out. Why on earth are you posting a highlight film of him? He's the best and most creative passer in UConn history, of course we haven't had another player who plays like him. Same goes for Boat, we haven't had another 5'10 jumping jack off the bounce iso player like him.
 
superjohn said:
I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Our best freshman has been out with injury, our freshman who replaced him in the starting lineup has the green light and just shot 8 threes last game. A freshman led us in minutes last year and our other freshman last year backed up the best big in the country and was hugely important to UConn winning the title. Bouknight averaged 26 minutes as a freshman despite being wildly immature and getting in major trouble off the court. Akok averaged 28 minutes per game as a freshman, Gaffney 19 minutes per game. Sanogo got 17 minutes per game, I thought it should've been bumped up to around 20 minutes per game but whatever. Jackson got 16 minutes per game. Hawkins got 15 minutes per game. Neither of them were ready and they were still thrown into the fire, they would've gotten more minutes if they didn't get dinged up.


Marcus Williams averaged 14 minutes per game and 3 ppg as a frosh before having to sit out. Why on earth are you posting a highlight film of him? He's the best and most creative passer in UConn history, of course we haven't had another player who plays like him. Same goes for Boat, we haven't had another 5'10 jumping jack off the bounce iso player like him.
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You can say something about every UConn freshmen for Calhoun that played well.

You’d say Rashad was the best 3 point shooter, Kemba was the most electric, Bazz crafty, etc. etc.

We should be calling Solo one of the best athletes but we’re not because he only has the green light to shoot 3s all day instead of showcasing that. We should’ve been calling Hawkins one of the best shooters like Rashad his freshman year.

Things work themselves out once guys have bigger roles to play more freely, but I do miss watching freshman consistently come in ready to make plays.
 
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Hurley wants Solo to shoot those shots, he’d pull him out if he didn’t. It’d be nice if he was making more for sure. If he passed on an open one for a drive that ended in a turnover then he’d probably get pulled.
 
JohnnyJr said:
Hurley wants Solo to shoot those shots, he’d pull him out if he didn’t. It’d be nice if he was making more for sure. If he passed on an open one for a drive that ended in a turnover then he’d probably get pulled.
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That’s an issue if he can’t make mistakes on drives to the rim the same way he makes mistakes shooting 3s. Complete waste of his athletic talent.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
You can say something about every UConn freshmen for Calhoun that played well.

You’d say Rashad was the best 3 point shooter, Kemba was the most electric, Bazz crafty, etc. etc.

We should be calling Solo one of the best athletes but we’re not because he only has the green light to shoot 3s all day instead of showcasing that. We should’ve been calling Hawkins one of the best shooters like Rashad his freshman year.

Things work themselves out once guys have bigger roles to play more freely, but I do miss watching freshman consistently come in ready to make plays.
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No, I wouldn't say any of that.

I'm sorry I ever even responded to you. This is a masturbatory exercise for you and I'll leave you alone.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
That’s an issue if he can’t make mistakes on drives to the rim the same way he makes mistakes shooting 3s. Complete waste of his athletic talent.
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Jackson was able to be valuable by defense and distributing but he was not an offensive threat going to the rim either since they sagged off so much. For a G/F to be successful in Hurleys offense they have to be able to shoot the three and drive. It’s way too early to put him in a Jackson role in this offense.
 
superjohn said:
No, I wouldn't say any of that.

I'm sorry I ever even responded to you. This is a masturbatory exercise for you and I'll leave you alone.
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That’s superweird you would go that far. I don’t know why you have to go to these insane insults when we’re just talking basketball. I’ve never said anything rude to you but if I matched your energy I’d for sure be the bigger which is super unnecessary.

Just say you disagree and leave it at that stop being weird.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
That’s superweird you would go that far. I don’t know why you have to go to these insane insults when we’re just talking basketball. I’ve never said anything rude to you but if I matched your energy I’d for sure be the bigger which is super unnecessary.

Just say you disagree and leave it at that stop being weird.
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It wasn't an insult and there's nothing weird about it. You create these wild arguments, hammering over and over at them for days on end and nobody ever agrees with you. It's self-absorbed and pointless.

You really shouldn't be thin skinned when this is the board persona you created.
 
superjohn said:
It wasn't an insult and there's nothing weird about it. You create these wild arguments, hammering over and over at them for days on end and nobody ever agrees with you. It's self-absorbed and pointless.

You really shouldn't be thin skinned when this is the board persona you created.
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I don’t mind a lot of the jokes if it’s funny. Masturbatory exercise is weird though.

I’ve WFH the past few days with extra time on my hands for this round. Just passionate about UConn basketball and seeing our guys succeed is all. So I get super frustrated when a situation like Solo’s is going on, the same way I was frustrated with Hawkins his freshman year, and Andre from last year. All situations that seem fixable with a little coaching adjustment instead of doing the same thing over again expecting a different result.
 
1. Thru 7 games newcomer Cam Spencer is the greatest initial impact transfer in the history of UConn basketball. "Initial impact" b/c Tristen Newton is doing everything but drive the damn bus back-and-forth from Storrs to Hartford. Offseason projection was for Spencer to fill the Alleyne role, instead Cam's filled that shooting wise & arguably the AJ role ball movement wise. Methinks that has something to do with less time/impact for the frosh.

2. If Stephon Castle is playing the angst over the other freshman is diffused. Torn between rushing him back to play v. Kansas to get 'yarders to stfu OR that long-term for him & team its better for Kansas game to be harder which includes stressing freshman. That certainly benefits long-term, but is hit or miss this early. Heaven forbid the freshman don't contribute in arguably the toughest road gym in the country resulting in much soiling of baby 'yarder diapers.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t mind a lot of the jokes if it’s funny. Masturbatory exercise is weird though.

I’ve WFH the past few days with extra time on my hands for this round. Just passionate about UConn basketball and seeing our guys succeed is all. So I get super frustrated when a situation like Solo’s is going on, the same way I was frustrated with Hawkins his freshman year, and Andre from last year. All situations that seem fixable with a little coaching adjustment instead of doing the same thing over again expecting a different result.
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It's just not clear to me what I would look at to see some evidence that Hurley is mishandling the freshmen relative to Calhoun. And the world you're describing under Jim Calhoun is one that bears no resemblance whatsoever to my memory of it. The idea that Calhoun emboldened freshmen and "let them make mistakes" while Hurley is some rigid taskmaster that forces them to play timid is, to me, just completely disconnected from reality. That's what I find strange about all this.

Also, just as an aside, it is wild to invoke Hawkins's freshman year as a "fixable" problem Hurley created rather than an instance of a kid just getting much better while at UConn than he was when he got here. Just a very strange way to look at things.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
It's just not clear to me what I would look at to see some evidence that Hurley is mishandling the freshmen relative to Calhoun. And the world you're describing under Jim Calhoun is one that bears no resemblance whatsoever to my memory of it. The idea that Calhoun emboldened freshmen and "let them make mistakes" while Hurley is some rigid taskmaster that forces them to play timid is, to me, just completely disconnected from reality. That's what I find strange about all this.

Also, just as an aside, it is wild to invoke Hawkins's freshman year as a "fixable" problem Hurley created rather than an instance of a kid just getting much better while at UConn than he was when he got here. Just a very strange way to look at things.
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I probably said this before, but there’s a difference between chewing a guy out like Calhoun did with Boatright and letting him fix his mistake compared to pulling him from a game limiting his minutes like Hurley used to do with Hawkins.

I talk about that Auburn game all the time as the prime example. It killed Hawkins confidence not because of the mistakes, but because how Hurley reacted to it. He had 15 minutes in an OT game where he scored 15-16 points. Hurley showed that it didn’t matter how well he was scoring, if you make mistakes I’m not going to let you play through them. Even though not everyone on the team was held to that same standard. So that’s how Hawkins had to operate from there on out. Then everyone was surprised when he absolutely clamped up.

I’m seeing Solo play the same way right now, personally. Playing to not make mistakes because as a freshmen he knows he doesn’t have the same freedom as the older guys.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t mind a lot of the jokes if it’s funny. Masturbatory exercise is weird though.

I’ve WFH the past few days with extra time on my hands for this round. Just passionate about UConn basketball and seeing our guys succeed is all. So I get super frustrated when a situation like Solo’s is going on, the same way I was frustrated with Hawkins his freshman year, and Andre from last year. All situations that seem fixable with a little coaching adjustment instead of doing the same thing over again expecting a different result.
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So are you disappointed that Hawkins ended up a lottery pick and Andre exceeded expectations and was drafted early 2nd round?

The outcomes for both seemed pretty good. Their development was excellent under Hurley & Co.'s tutelage.

Why wouldn't you just expect the same to be true for Ball, Stewart, & Ross???? Have some patience, chill out and trust the darn process.

You'll be less stressed, and less attacked for your somewhat unrealistic and borderline crazy takes!

Peace out and go Huskies!!!
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I probably said this before, but there’s a difference between chewing a guy out like Calhoun did with Boatright and letting him fix his mistake compared to pulling him from a game limiting his minutes like Hurley used to do with Hawkins.

I talk about that Auburn game all the time as the prime example. It killed Hawkins confidence not because of the mistakes, but because how Hurley reacted to it. He had 15 minutes in an OT game where he scored 15-16 points. Hurley showed that it didn’t matter how well he was scoring, if you make mistakes I’m not going to let you play through them. Even though not everyone on the team was held to that same standard. So that’s how Hawkins had to operate from there on out. Then everyone was surprised when he absolutely clamped up.

I’m seeing Solo play the same way right now, personally. Playing to not make mistakes because as a freshmen he knows he doesn’t have the same freedom as the older guys.
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Where's the evidence and facts to support your theory here? Did you get a chance to do a 1-on-1 interview with Hawkins and he told you specifically it was all Hurley's fault? Your takes are just wild, man!
 
JustbrewitMan said:
So are you disappointed that Hawkins ended up a lottery pick and Andre exceeded expectations and was drafted early 2nd round?

The outcomes for both seemed pretty good. Their development was excellent under Hurley & Co.'s tutelage.

Why wouldn't you just expect the same to be true for Ball, Stewart, & Ross???? Have some patience, chill out and trust the darn process.

You'll be less stressed, and less attacked for your somewhat unrealistic and borderline crazy takes!

Peace out and go Huskies!!!
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I don’t know how people see a 6’6 super athletic wing with amazing playmaking ability get drafted in the 2nd round and think that was a good development job. Let alone exceeded expectations.

We didn’t give him not one skill he could use to score with in 3 years.

Hawkins skillset fits the develop your 3 mindset over everything else this program has.
 
Hurley did say that they run a very sophisticated system and that it takes time for players to understand the system and to understand their role within that system. Unless you have a lot of experience (transfers) or size (Clingan) or skill (Castle), it's going to take some time to learn it. Karaban was an exception because he joined the team early and was able to practice and learn the system.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t know how people see a 6’6 super athletic wing with amazing playmaking ability get drafted in the 2nd round and think that was a good development job. Let alone exceeded expectations.

We didn’t give him not one skill he could use to score with in 3 years.

Hawkins skillset fits the develop your 3 mindset over everything else this program has.
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A college coaches job boils down to essentially two things - develop your players and win. They're pretty intertwined but not always.

Jackson can't shoot. He came in not being able to shoot, he left not being able to shoot, and even the pro team he's on has made some adjustments but they don't really know how to solve it either. What Hurley did is put him in positions to maximize his athleticism and otherworldly bball IQ to the point where NBA teams were willing to overlook I would argue the single most important thing for a guard/wing in the modern NBA to be able to do - shoot - because of his exceptional other talents (again, highlighted by Hurley). Oh, and Dan Hurley did that all while winning a national championship.

You clearly thing Ball should be a rim attacking pg. Hurley clearly sees his role right now as someone who should do that, mostly via cuts, but who also has the green light to shoot threes. This clearly benefits the team now, and will benefit the team in the future. If he's as good a shooter as Dan Hurley thinks he is, getting him comfortable in low stakes games shooting 3's will pay huge dividends down the road for both his individual development and the team's.

P.S. they're calling you onanistic because you're repeating the same non sensical arguments over and over
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I probably said this before, but there’s a difference between chewing a guy out like Calhoun did with Boatright and letting him fix his mistake compared to pulling him from a game limiting his minutes like Hurley used to do with Hawkins.

I talk about that Auburn game all the time as the prime example. It killed Hawkins confidence not because of the mistakes, but because how Hurley reacted to it. He had 15 minutes in an OT game where he scored 15-16 points. Hurley showed that it didn’t matter how well he was scoring, if you make mistakes I’m not going to let you play through them. Even though not everyone on the team was held to that same standard. So that’s how Hawkins had to operate from there on out. Then everyone was surprised when he absolutely clamped up.

I’m seeing Solo play the same way right now, personally. Playing to not make mistakes because as a freshmen he knows he doesn’t have the same freedom as the older guys.
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Where is this even coming from. I was at a game where Okwandu made a mistake Calhoun practically dragged him off the court and screamed at him to "Go back to Africa"
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t know how people see a 6’6 super athletic wing with amazing playmaking ability get drafted in the 2nd round and think that was a good development job. Let alone exceeded expectations.

We didn’t give him not one skill he could use to score with in 3 years.

Hawkins skillset fits the develop your 3 mindset over everything else this program has.
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LOL. At this point, you might as well just start a "Fire Hurley for Coaching Malpractice" thread. Lunacy.
 
Solo missed a one foot put back versus UNH. That isn't because he can't make a one-footer, it's because he rushed the shot and turned a bunnie into a difficult shot. Sooner or later that will be a gimme. But right now he is making everything difficult on himself.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
90s are too far back for me. The Dyson and Hasheem team was the one I was referring to. I don’t think you’re bringing in transfers over guys who were scoring 15 PPG either with Rip and Caron anyways.

I’m pulling from the middle tier here on experienced teams, but you can’t tell me any of Hurley’s freshmen have played fearless like these guys. Again, there’s way better examples to pull from too outside of these two. But that’s how Calhoun coached them to play. And they were better off for it.



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They just aren’t ready. Every player is different. It’s been 7 games.

I can’t believe this is even a discussion. I bet you were one of the ones slandering Hurley for not playing Rashool Diggins a few years ago too.

Strange
 
Well Castle doesn't need to wait his turn but figured I'd put this here.

4. Stephon Castle, UConn​

Stats: 14.5 PPG | 6.5 RPG | 3.5 APG | 66.7% FG

Look, you can argue that Castle shouldn't be on this list because the sample size is too small. He has only played in two games this season and hasn't appeared since Nov. 11 because of a knee injury. However, when he was on the floor, he was easily a top-five freshman in his class. UConn (in his absence) still looks like a well oiled machine, but having him back in in the fold just raises an already strong floor this Huskies team has.

www.cbssports.com

Ranking college basketball's best freshmen: Kentucky's D.J. Wagner earns Freshman of the Week honors

A look at the top performing freshmen in college basketball three weeks into the season
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
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