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billybud said:
I get it...this is a frustrated rant...but you have little ammunition...if Cincinnati was undefeated with an SOS of 50...they would get a lot more consideration. They might indeed be good...but wins-losses is also a function of your schedule.

What separates Cincinnati from Liberty? wins? Or 7-0 San Jose State ?
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You mistook my statement of facts for a rant.......or you are deflecting. I suspect the latter.
 
uconndogs said:
You mistook my statement of facts for a rant.......or you are deflecting. I suspect the latter.
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OK..maybe I was off some...I conflated your post with that of gtcam in my replay as you can see...and I was really replying to his post

But...the truth is, with 120 plus teams that range from Alabama to UTSA...there is no way that they all will compete on the same footing.

Always...strength will be distributed on a Bell Curve and the bottom three quartiles have no shot to win a championship. Football, because the season is only 12 games, uses the season as part of the playoff...lose that second game and you are out...play a SOS of 80 plus, you may not get the credit of a team with similar wins that plays a schedule ranked much tougher.

Folks want the "appearance" of having a shot...similar to the illusion that we buy into in basketball. But lining a Camry up in the back row at Darlington is not really a shot.

Because of the nature of the game, basketball has the luxury of having a tourney that feeds an illusion of being able to compete although the data is very clear that it is, in fact, an illusion. Seeds #4-16 have, historically, not been able to move to the Finals. If you cut the tourney down to just four seeds, it would have no real affect on the Championship game. But you would forgo the egalitarian aspect and the illusion we love...that many have a chance.


I have made a lot of points in this discussion which are not addressed....the only replys seem to be "the G5 are disadvantaged to the point of not being in the picture when it comes to the playoff". Of course that is true and will be true until they expand to an 8 team playoff. And even then, an Alabama will blow away some G5 designee.
 
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I suppose that if they were playing #1-8 in the CFP this year......Cincinnati would be facing Alabama.. A rough seeding.

I guess that would be the main chance to make a splash.,

FSU's turning point, I believe, was playing the Bear's defending SEC champ team to a tie...The TV mike caught Bear screaming "What the hell is 's going on out there?"

1967...Also the first year that FSU beat the Gators in Gainesville...

Cincinnatii aquitting itself well as a favorite against Georgiia could also be a turning point.
 
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Durks07 said:
Anyone remember when the Irish fans' arrogantly believed they were a top program and were actually good enough to win "big games?" Now, their fans are just happy to be invited to lose them.

You'll want to keep lowering your standards. You aren't going to lose in the National Championship game. That pie in the sky dream will be dead two possessions in against the Tide.
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Lowering the standards? By wanting to play in the championship game? Playing in the game for the National Championship is the standard that I hope ND always has.
 
Maybe the Buckeyes also have to avoid the Notre Dame big game hoodoo....

They are 0-4 against Clemson....all in big post season games....if they go zip for five against the Tigers....the word will be out.
 
billybud said:
Maybe the Buckeyes also have to avoid the Notre Dame big game hoodoo....

They are 0-4 against Clemson....all in big post season games....if they go zip for five against the Tigers....the word will be out.
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Excepts that Ohio State has won the big game.
 
They did,,,the only time since 2006 that the SEC has not been in the Title game....the Buckeyes are .250 against Bama..all bowls.
 
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Irishfan said:
Lowering the standards? By wanting to play in the championship game? Playing in the game for the National Championship is the standard that I hope ND always has.
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Looks like joining the ACC was the wrong move.
 
Irishfan said:
but just think, only one team all year was able to beat the #1 team in the country. It was Notre Dame.
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Last I checked, ND did not beat Alabama. If you're talking about Clemson, pretty sure I saw Ohio State demolish them on Friday.
 
2022 NC said:
Last I checked, ND did not beat Alabama. If you're talking about Clemson, pretty sure I saw Ohio State demolish them on Friday.
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yes, I’m talking about Notre Dame beating #1 Clemson. When Ohio State beat Clemson they were not ranked #1. Face it, ND was the only team this year to beat a team ranked #1.
 
2022 NC said:
Last I checked, ND did not beat Alabama. If you're talking about Clemson, pretty sure I saw Ohio State demolish them on Friday.
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.....with Trevor Lawrence btw
 
uconndogs said:
.....with Trevor Lawrence btw
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so evidently Trevor Lawrence wasn’t all that important. So Missing Trevor Lawrence might not have been as damaging as ND losing two offensive linemen.
 
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Irishfan said:
yes, I’m talking about Notre Dame beating #1 Clemson. When Ohio State beat Clemson they were not ranked #1. Face it, ND was the only team this year to beat a team ranked #1.
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I’m gonna put this here too.

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Irishfan said:
Just curious, would you rather have had these losses, or no appearances?
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are those the only 2 options? One would always prefer to be the Vikings or Bills than the Lions, but they'd prefer to be the Lions than the St. Louis Rams. Not sure what your point is
 
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gioff2323 said:
are those the only 2 options? One would always prefer to be the Vikings or Bills than the Lions, but they'd prefer to be the Lions than the St. Louis Rams. Not sure what your point is
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It’s a simple question. Would you prefer to play for the National Championship and lose , or would you rather not be invited to play for the championship, or in any top bowl game.
 
We had an appearance, thanks. We did as well as you’ve done every single time u have played in a meaningful bcs bowl. Apparently we are even. More, at this juncture we seem to have the same odds of being invited back.
 
Irishfan said:
Just curious, would you rather have had these losses, or no appearances?
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The fact that your boys get waxed every time supports the premise that ND doesn't deserve what they get.
 
Waquoit said:
The fact that your boys get waxed every time supports the premise that ND doesn't deserve what they get.
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as long as ND is the only team in the country to beat the #1 team in the country, they will probably be selected to play in the playoff.
 
Irishfan said:
as long as ND is the only team in the country to beat the #1 team in the country, they will probably be selected to play in the playoff.
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Sounds like you deserve a Helms National Championship banner for that! Cuz ND ain’t winning a real National Championship anytime soon despite more advantages than almost any program in the country.
ND - doing less with more since 1988!
 
Irishfan said:
Just curious, would you rather have had these losses, or no appearances?
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I’m pretty content with being undefeated against mighty Notre Dame, if I’m being honest, independent of all other things.
 
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