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Was at the Rutgers Michigan game last night. Some may not like what I am going to say but in truth, Rutgers looked like they belonged in the B1G last night. There was a full house that was rocking and intimidating. Rutgers win over Michigan was a good win for UCONN's aspirations. I was also rooting for Maryland to knock off Ohio State. If invited we have a good core 4 of Rutgers, Penn State and Maryland within driving distance.
 
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They had a good atmosphere against Penn State too. Give them credit, they are making the most out of their punched cable box lottery ticket.

We had a rocking atmosphere against Michigan too and if it weren't for a sack-kicking interception and an incompetent coaching staff, we just might have won that game.
 
Dooley said:
They had a good atmosphere against Penn State too. Give them credit, they are making the most out of their punched cable box lottery ticket.

We had a rocking atmosphere against Michigan too and if it weren't for a sack-kicking interception and an incompetent coaching staff, we just might have won that game.
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Exactly my point. UCONN had a great crowd and almost pulled it out against Michigan, which along with Rutger's W last night helps UCONN's cause. The Big East was always unfairly bashed as an inferior conference.
 
Confident Carl said:
Exactly my point. UCONN had a great crowd and almost pulled it out against Michigan, which along with Rutger's W last night helps UCONN's cause. The Big East was always unfairly bashed as an inferior conference.
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Completely agree. Nobody can convince me that the 2000-whenever WVU left Big East wasn't on par with or better than other "Power" conferences (I'm looking at you, ACC).
 
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One of these days people are going to realize that RU and MD were not added because they draw big crowds or have "great atmospheres".

And what they accomplish on or off the field has absolutely no bearing on us getting an invite. Expansion is over folks. Might as well come to grips with that now.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
One of these days people are going to realize that RU and MD were not added because they draw big crowds or have "great atmospheres".

And what they accomplish on or off the field has absolutely no bearing on us getting an invite. Expansion is over folks. Might as well come to grips with that now.
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They did an interview with Delany. I think, from what I heard, that they are not done expanding east. He mentioned going east many times during that short segment.
 
minidarren said:
They did an interview with Delany. I think, from what I heard, that they are not done expanding east. He mentioned going east many times during that short segment.
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I would love to hear that.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
One of these days people are going to realize that RU and MD were not added because they draw big crowds or have "great atmospheres".

And what they accomplish on or off the field has absolutely no bearing on us getting an invite. Expansion is over folks. Might as well come to grips with that now.
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Beg to differ. What I witnessed last night was a great college game dame atmosphere. It was a sell out of over 50K and could see it grow.
 
Yippee for them - the table was set for them (golden ticket to the B1G, relatively weak Michigan team in town) and they made the most of it by squeaking out a W. What's not for the locals to get enthused about?

Like Dooley said, the Michigan game at the Rent last year had a good college game atmosphere too. And that was post-CR and in the midst of a coaching staff driving the program off a cliff.
 
BoatShow said:
Michigan is bad. Like really bad.
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Rutgers beat Michigan

The Rutgers fans were ecstatic! As they should be. I was elated when UCONN beat Rutgers last year at the rent 28-17 and I want to destroy them the next time we meet. I still believe it was good for UCONN that Rutgers beat the Wolverines.
 
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Rutger's success, and I'm happy for them, as it helps improve the image of Eastern FB. Unfortunately it does not help UConn.

Its like saying, Rutgers is in the East. They play competitively with BIG Teams in their first year. UConn is in the East. Therefore they will play competitively in the BIG in their first year.

As much as I would hope that to be true, lets be realistic.

We don't have the talent base of a New Jersey, Maryland, or PA, and out of state recruiting is a challenge when you enter someone else's home territory, and what we have gives us a team in the lower 1% of FBS.

The success of Rutgers, Penn State, or Maryland will not get us an invite. The invite comes with success on the field only, and an appearance there is a fan base that cares.

Empty seats and barely competing with Stony Brook doesn't do it.
 
tduconn said:
Rutger's success, and I'm happy for them, as it helps improve the image of Eastern FB. Unfortunately it does not help UConn.

Its like saying, Rutgers is in the East. They play competitively with BIG Teams in their first year. UConn is in the East. Therefore they will play competitively in the BIG in their first year.

As much as I would hope that to be true, lets be realistic.

We don't have the talent base of a New Jersey, Maryland, or PA, and out of state recruiting is a challenge when you enter someone else's home territory, and what we have gives us a team in the lower 1% of FBS.

The success of Rutgers, Penn State, or Maryland will not get us an invite. The invite comes with success on the field only, and an appearance there is a fan base that cares.

Empty seats and barely competing with Stony Brook doesn't do it.
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This is SILLY

Of Course ... Rutgers doing well HELPS UConn. You cannot make a valid argument in any way that it doesn't. Frankly, many of you remind me of the Cartoon Character that always had rain falling on them in Andy Capp. Rutgers is competitive. Both Maryland and Rutgers fans have embraced the B1G. And the UConn Athletic Department is ACTUALLY far more accomplished at developing Programs in various sports. Given time, we can fit. So ... go find some other thing to cry about.
 
TRest said:
That's so Rutgers.
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Oof. I will say, I have been impressed with Rutgers this season, but storming the field after beating a likely 4 win team?
 
tduconn said:
Rutger's success, and I'm happy for them, as it helps improve the image of Eastern FB. Unfortunately it does not help UConn.

Its like saying, Rutgers is in the East. They play competitively with BIG Teams in their first year. UConn is in the East. Therefore they will play competitively in the BIG in their first year.

As much as I would hope that to be true, lets be realistic.

We don't have the talent base of a New Jersey, Maryland, or PA, and out of state recruiting is a challenge when you enter someone else's home territory, and what we have gives us a team in the lower 1% of FBS.

The success of Rutgers, Penn State, or Maryland will not get us an invite. The invite comes with success on the field only, and an appearance there is a fan base that cares.

Empty seats and barely competing with Stony Brook doesn't do it.
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Oh you of little faith. Perhaps gaining an understanding of UCONN's recruiting footprint will bolster your confidence in UCONN's ability to procure talent:

When describing the recruiting territory, Diaco said it will look literally like a footprint — Big Toe in Boston, little toe in Buffalo and the heel into Northern Virginia. The recruiting territory where UConn calls home will be from just South of D.C., Eastern PA all the way through to all of Massachusetts. That’s the home base.

“We are going to recruit our footprint like it’s our home state,” Diaco said. “New York, all five boroughs. Massachusetts completely, Eastern Pa. to Northern Virginia — a round semi-circle, portion of Virginia, D.C. and up to Baltimore then Delaware and straight up the coast, which is whole state of New Jersey.”

That’s going to be the footprint, but the Huskies will also have major presences in American Athletic Conference markets. Anywhere that has multiple direct flights a day from Bradley to an AAC city will have a major UConn presence.

“We are going to Dallas to fight against SMU, Tulsa in that area and those other schools,” Diaco added. “Cincinnati, Charlotte, to fight against East Carolina, South Florida (Tampa) and Central Florida (Orlando), we’re active in those cities. “

That’s going to be the footprint in major areas, and like always, the Huskies will also go into areas if they have a connection or a player expresses interest.
 
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Confident Carl said:
Oh you of little faith. Perhaps gaining an understanding of UCONN's recruiting footprint will bolster your confidence in UCONN's ability to procure talent:

When describing the recruiting territory, Diaco said it will look literally like a footprint — Big Toe in Boston, little toe in Buffalo and the heel into Northern Virginia. The recruiting territory where UConn calls home will be from just South of D.C., Eastern PA all the way through to all of Massachusetts. That’s the home base.

“We are going to recruit our footprint like it’s our home state,” Diaco said. “New York, all five boroughs. Massachusetts completely, Eastern Pa. to Northern Virginia — a round semi-circle, portion of Virginia, D.C. and up to Baltimore then Delaware and straight up the coast, which is whole state of New Jersey.”

That’s going to be the footprint, but the Huskies will also have major presences in American Athletic Conference markets. Anywhere that has multiple direct flights a day from Bradley to an AAC city will have a major UConn presence.

“We are going to Dallas to fight against SMU, Tulsa in that area and those other schools,” Diaco added. “Cincinnati, Charlotte, to fight against East Carolina, South Florida (Tampa) and Central Florida (Orlando), we’re active in those cities. “

That’s going to be the footprint in major areas, and like always, the Huskies will also go into areas if they have a connection or a player expresses interest.
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Diaco, unfortunately for us, was talking about a right foot. With the big toe in the middle of a great lake.
 
Butch said:
This is EXCELLENT for UConn. There's no way this is bad for us.
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Absolutely Butch...
Delaney had admiitted wanting to venture further in the eastern marletplace. This could bode well for us that UCONN, excepting this rebuilding year
has had the most national champs in the last 15 years-boding well for the B1G network. Yes, our product in football is down. Everyone knows it. Rutgers beating
Michigan and last year's fiasco at the Rent still, IMO reflects favorably on us.

Of course, we know football is the driving factor. But the B1G record in women's sports, i.e. national recognition, is abysmal. Adding UCONN woman to the B1G ten
adds eyeballs to the network, hence our positioning on SNY, HOME OF THE HUSKIES. Remember, you build a Company either from within or by acquisition.

Beating Michigan State at the Garden didn't hurt either. Neither does having a Michigan grad at the helm of the athletic department. Further, we have cracked top 20
as a state research university and, if you have followed, Dr. Herbst (recently took in her alumni gathering in Boston), we have a shot at moving into the top fifteen
in the country on our present path.

So, it is not one just item for inclusion. BUT having Rutgers beat Michigan, adds more fuel and helps UCONN when it comes to consideration given our recent successes
in beating Rutgers along.... with many other afroementioned attributes.
 
minidarren said:
You would have had to watch the game.
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Thanks, I was hoping to read or hear the words straight from the horse's mouth.

Of course, Delany could have stared at the camera and said, "our next target has the best basketball program(s) in the nation and more players in the NFL than Vanderbilt, West Virginia, Arizona, Syracuse, Kentucky, Washington, TCU, Wake Forest, Iowa State, Indiana, Colorado, BYU, Duke, Kansas and Washington State" and I still wouldn't have believed him.
 
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During Rutgers/MD, Delaney talked about going south and east but it was only in the context of the reason Rutty and Maryland were added. He didn't say they weren't done expanding but he said the population is south and east about 20 times. I definitely felt that he was selling the fan base on why they needed to be south and east.

The only hint I gleaned that they aren't done expanding was when he continued to beat south and east to death when he'd already done it more than enough. I'm pretty sure he was prepping the fan base for more change. Any likely edition other than UConn would be very south (VA, NC, GA, FL) and southern in culture. So hopefully, we are the "east" he is referring to.
 
minidarren said:
They did an interview with Delany. I think, from what I heard, that they are not done expanding east. He mentioned going east many times during that short segment.
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Jimmy Serrano said:
I would love to hear that.
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UConn9604 said:
Link?
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I just looked it up and watched Delany's first half interview to try to get a sense of whether or not he sounds like, to me, that expansion is still on the table. To me, it sounds like he is not finished. But I suppose everyone can interpret his between-the-lines in any way that they see fit.

Delany's interview begins around the 1:12 mark of the ESPN3 telecast: http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/2071173/

I just listened. He mentions moving east several times. Among the highlights (I'm paraphrasing):

1:14 mark - "We've had 3 games out east and all sellouts. When you bring in Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State out here to Rutgers and Maryland, the people will respond."

Dooley interpretation: bring a B1G schedule to the Rent and it will sell out. Programs who have had the same attendance issues as UCONN in the past few years (RU and MD) have sold out their games thanks to scheduling upgrade. Saturday's game against OSU was Maryland's first sell out since 2008.

1:18:30 - "We have to be as much of a national conference as we can be. We have good population but it's not a population that is growing at 4-5% per year. So we have to come east...we have ex-patriots who live out here who want to come out to see B1G football."

Dooley interpretation: consistent with what Delany has ALWAYS said - the B1G is interested in expanding east because of 1) larger population growth and 2) B1G alums who live out east.

Patience. CR is certainly not finished. It might not happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen again.
 
This was a perfect year for RU and MD to enter the B1G. The conference is a complete dumpster fire from a quality of play standpoint right now, at least compared to the other members of the P5. It gives the new teams the impression of competitiveness, which will in turn drive recruiting gains.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
What are you disagreeing with?
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The primary motivation for adding Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was TV $$ and the Big Ten Network expansion. Got it! However what they are getting as a bonus at least at Rutgers and I assume Maryland will be the same, is a pretty darn good crowd and a great atmosphere. I know we are not talking 100,000+ crowds like the Big House or Beaver stadium. However Rutgers had advance sellouts for Penn State and Michigan. So far Rutgers is a good move for the B1G. Obviously the B1G saw what Rutgers drew for Cincy, Ville and WVA so they probably weren't surprised by Penn State and Michigan.

RankAttendanceDateGame result
1-53,774 (sell-out)[19]Sept. 13, 2014Penn State 13, Rutgers 10
2-53,737 (sell-out)[20]Sept. 7, 2009Cincinnati 47, Rutgers 15
3-53,327 (sell-out)[21]Oct. 5, 2014Rutgers 26, Michigan 24
4-52,798 (sell-out)[22]Nov. 29, 2012Louisville 20, Rutgers 17
5-52,534 (sell-out)[23]Dec. 5, 2009West Virginia 24, Rutgers 21

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ounces_game_versus_michigan_is_a_sellout.html
 
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Confident Carl said:
The primary motivation for adding Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was TV and the Big Ten Network expansion. Got it! However what they are getting as a bonus at least at Rutgers and I assume Maryland will be the same, is a pretty darn good crowd and a great atmosphere. I know we are not talking 100,000+ crowds like the Big House or Beaver stadium. However Rutgers had advance sellouts for Penn State and Michigan. So far Rutgers is a good move for the B1G. Obviously the B1G saw what Rutgers drew for Cincy, Ville and WVA so they probably weren't surprised by Penn State and Michigan.

RankAttendanceDateGame result
1-53,774 (sell-out)[19]Sept. 13, 2014Penn State 13, Rutgers 10
2-53,737 (sell-out)[20]Sept. 7, 2009Cincinnati 47, Rutgers 15
3-53,327 (sell-out)[21]Oct. 5, 2014Rutgers 26, Michigan 24
4-52,798 (sell-out)[22]Nov. 29, 2012Louisville 20, Rutgers 17
5-52,534 (sell-out)[23]Dec. 5, 2009West Virginia 24, Rutgers 21

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ounces_game_versus_michigan_is_a_sellout.html
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So you are trying to say that Rutgers loses 80% of the time that they sell out?
 
Confident Carl said:
The primary motivation for adding Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was TV and the Big Ten Network expansion. Got it! However what they are getting as a bonus at least at Rutgers and I assume Maryland will be the same, is a pretty darn good crowd and a great atmosphere. I know we are not talking 100,000+ crowds like the Big House or Beaver stadium. However Rutgers had advance sellouts for Penn State and Michigan. So far Rutgers is a good move for the B1G. Obviously the B1G saw what Rutgers drew for Cincy, Ville and WVA so they probably weren't surprised by Penn State and Michigan.

RankAttendanceDateGame result
1-53,774 (sell-out)[19]Sept. 13, 2014Penn State 13, Rutgers 10
2-53,737 (sell-out)[20]Sept. 7, 2009Cincinnati 47, Rutgers 15
3-53,327 (sell-out)[21]Oct. 5, 2014Rutgers 26, Michigan 24
4-52,798 (sell-out)[22]Nov. 29, 2012Louisville 20, Rutgers 17
5-52,534 (sell-out)[23]Dec. 5, 2009West Virginia 24, Rutgers 21

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ounces_game_versus_michigan_is_a_sellout.html
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That would be the case at just about every team in the country, particularly if the team is competitive. RU had plenty of empty seats when they were terrible and playing the dregs of D1.
 
Confident Carl said:
The primary motivation for adding Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was TV and the Big Ten Network expansion. Got it! However what they are getting as a bonus at least at Rutgers and I assume Maryland will be the same, is a pretty darn good crowd and a great atmosphere. I know we are not talking 100,000+ crowds like the Big House or Beaver stadium. However Rutgers had advance sellouts for Penn State and Michigan. So far Rutgers is a good move for the B1G. Obviously the B1G saw what Rutgers drew for Cincy, Ville and WVA so they probably weren't surprised by Penn State and Michigan.

RankAttendanceDateGame result
1-53,774 (sell-out)[19]Sept. 13, 2014Penn State 13, Rutgers 10
2-53,737 (sell-out)[20]Sept. 7, 2009Cincinnati 47, Rutgers 15
3-53,327 (sell-out)[21]Oct. 5, 2014Rutgers 26, Michigan 24
4-52,798 (sell-out)[22]Nov. 29, 2012Louisville 20, Rutgers 17
5-52,534 (sell-out)[23]Dec. 5, 2009West Virginia 24, Rutgers 21

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ounces_game_versus_michigan_is_a_sellout.html
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Gotcha. So you really don't differ on anything that I said.
 
minidarren said:
It's hard to tell Rutgers fans to act like you've been there, when you know damn well they have never actually been there.
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Yep RU gets a pass on storming the field after any win. Probably after a few close losses as well.
 
Confident Carl said:
The primary motivation for adding Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was TV and the Big Ten Network expansion. Got it! However what they are getting as a bonus at least at Rutgers and I assume Maryland will be the same, is a pretty darn good crowd and a great atmosphere. I know we are not talking 100,000+ crowds like the Big House or Beaver stadium. However Rutgers had advance sellouts for Penn State and Michigan. So far Rutgers is a good move for the B1G. Obviously the B1G saw what Rutgers drew for Cincy, Ville and WVA so they probably weren't surprised by Penn State and Michigan.

RankAttendanceDateGame result
1-53,774 (sell-out)[19]Sept. 13, 2014Penn State 13, Rutgers 10
2-53,737 (sell-out)[20]Sept. 7, 2009Cincinnati 47, Rutgers 15
3-53,327 (sell-out)[21]Oct. 5, 2014Rutgers 26, Michigan 24
4-52,798 (sell-out)[22]Nov. 29, 2012Louisville 20, Rutgers 17
5-52,534 (sell-out)[23]Dec. 5, 2009West Virginia 24, Rutgers 21

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ounces_game_versus_michigan_is_a_sellout.html
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You're not wrong, and I think that Rutgers fans' attraction to Big Ten teams will last a lot longer than the brief novelty of ACC teams lasted with BC fans. With fannies in the seats and a decent product on the field, this relationship can certainly last and grow.

But, there's every reason to think that the same thing would have happened here if we had been asked to join.
 
UConn9604 said:
You're not wrong, and I think that Rutgers fans' attraction to Big Ten teams will last a lot longer than the brief novelty of ACC teams lasted with BC fans. With fannies in the seats and a decent product on the field, this relationship can certainly last and grow.

But, there's every reason to think that the same thing would have happened here if we had been asked to join.
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I think this gets to what is a really KEY point ...

Have you built a fanbase that is going to grow and excite a regional University ... that endures and develops into a real good conference addition; or have you just grabbed a bunch of knuckleheads that are thrilled that they are elevated to this higher level (but there is no residual wave nor capacity to monetize the product) ... and that ends after a little honeymoon.

What is going to happen in Central New York? Are you really buying that the Cuse had potential in Manhattan after a few billboards and spots on the WFAN?
Boston College set to conquer the southeastern Catholics? Really?
Pitt ... the NON - Penn State ... is like COKE (without Caffeine). A really good football market; but how much expansiveness could you possibily expect in Western PA?

My theme continues to be that Delaney/B1G really will solidly build with Rutgers & Maryland; whereas, the ACC bought Branding from 20-35 years ago. Rutgers experience of last weekend SHOULD reflect what UConn can do because we are "growing" a Program into a bigger market. We can expand and go into every corner of our state and near states ... plus more NYC & Boston.
 
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Rutgers attendance will be very good for years in the B1G. If Rutgers is competitive, then their own fans will buy tickets. In years that Rutgers is not competitive, then alumni from Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc will buy their tickets. It would be the same thing here at UCONN. The Michigan game at the Rent last year had a rocking atmosphere even though there were about 6-7K Michigan fans in attendance. If they ever came back in a year that we didn't have Mr Burns as head coach and were competitive, then UCONN could sell 50+K tickets too. No question about that as we've done it before.
 
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