Rutgers- B1G Mistake

[Jimdish255]

And you know this how? Fwiw, no one can honestly say for sure. The bottom line is that Ct doesn't have the demographics, because if you did, UCONN would be in the B1G and not RU. Also, the footprint of being in the conference also has to do with recruiting grounds, which UCONN doesn't have enough of to speak with. Is our bob team bad? Yep! But our football team is doing quite well, and has shown that it can put fannies in the seats, if the opportunity presents itself.

Yes your AD can generate good income and is very intelligently sufficient. The question is does UCONN have the intangibles (ie regional and national recruiting) that RU obviously have to sustain future success mainly in football, especially with ceiling potential? Maybe, maybe not! That's something that all have to ponder.

Everyone has acknowledged (over and over in painful detail) that recruiting is a big positive for Rutgers. Beyond that and media footprint it will be the conference elevating RU athletics not the other way around.

 

[ruthetiger]

Everyone has acknowledged (over and over in painful detail) that recruiting is a big positive for Rutgers. Beyond that and media footprint it will be the conference elevating RU athletics not the other way around.

Yes you are absolutely right! The conference has and is elevating RU as a program on a whole, exponentially even. But isn't that what counts the most? I mean, what will UCONN have to offer the B1G or the ACC other than a few BB chips? What's the footprint? Where's the potential besides what so many of you retort about? Calhoun and Auriemma has brought your institution status, on a national scale, but that's only in MBB/WBB, and thats on a limited scale. Then what else? As many of you already know, football is what drives the bus!

 

[B1GEast]

And you know this the how? Fwiw, no one can honestly say for sure. The bottom line is that Ct doesn't have the demographics, because if you did, UCONN would be in the B1G and not RU. Also, the footprint of being in the conference also has to do with recruiting grounds, which UCONN doesn't have enough of to speak with. Is our bob team bad? Yep! But our football team is doing quite well, and has shown that it can put fannies in the seats, if the opportunity presents itself.

Yes your AD can generate good income and is very intelligently sufficient. The question is does UCONN have the intangibles (ie regional and national recruiting) that RU obviously have to sustain future success mainly in football, especially with ceiling potential? Maybe, maybe not! That's something that all have to ponder.

Trust me, the B1G didn't need NJ recruiting grounds, that's just absurd, they chose Rutgers because of their proximity to NYC, their aau status and the fact they lie withing the conference footprint. This had nothing to do with rutgers attendance, it was a logical choice to bring rutgers in with maryland, but the real truth is this was about maryland first, without the terps jumping to the B1G, rutgers would have not been invited. If the B1G does expand I believe Uconn would have a better shot with rutgers already joining, but who know's how expansion will play out.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Yeah according to you; but we made it out. You didn't!

Forgive us for not being the Clampetts of the BE.

 

[ruthetiger]

Trust me, the B1G didn't need NJ recruiting grounds, that's just absurd, they chose Rutgers because of their proximity to NYC, their aau status and the fact they lie withing the conference footprint. This had nothing to do with rutgers attendance, it was a logical choice to bring rutgers in with maryland, but the real truth is this was about maryland first, without the terps jumping to the B1G, rutgers would have not been invited. If the B1G does expand I believe Uconn would have a better shot with rutgers already joining, but who know's how expansion will play out.

Okay. That may be your theory and conjecture, however, the fact remains, that it still was and is THE LOGICAL choice as you stated. But if the B1G expands again, do you really feel that UCONN would have that better shot? Or how about FSU, which is unhappy, or maybe Okie; how about poaching Mizzou from the SEC? There are tons of schools the B1G is considering. You may be one of them. However, that's not a short list. And you may never see that invite. Besides the B1G has been in contact with RU for a few years anyway.

 

[ruthetiger]

Forgive us for not being the Clampetts of the BE.

Oh. That's quite alright.

 

[B1GEast]

Okay. That may be your theory and conjecture, however, the fact remains, that it still was and is THE LOGICAL choice as you stated. But if the B1G expands again, do you really feel that UCONN would have that better shot? Or how about FSU, which is unhappy, or maybe Okie; how about poaching Mizzou from the SEC? There are tons of schools the B1G is considering. You may be one of them. However, that's not a short list. And you may never see that invite. Besides the B1G has been in contact with RU for a few years anyway.

I can see FSU and several other acc teams in play, mizzu, and oklahoma are not B1G bound, I never said uconn was on a short list, I simply said that having rutgers in the B1G would be beneficial to uconn. I'm sure that a lot of teams have been communicating with the B1G, acc and other major conferences, that's not relevant.

 

[ruthetiger]

I can see FSU and several other acc teams in play, mizzu, and oklahoma are not B1G bound, I never said uconn was on a short list, I simply said that having rutgers in the B1G would be beneficial to uconn. I'm sure that a lot of teams have been communicating with the B1G, acc and other major conferences, that's not relevant.

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

 

[Mots010]

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

What do you want man? Your team made out better than any other in CR because of its proximity to NYC. Don't try to convince yourself its because of that one shared conference title without WVU or Pasqueloni getting fired at SU and lucking into Ray Rice.

Our team has been left behind and of course we're going to bad mouth your school. Whats the point of trying to rub it in our face. Shouldnt you be debating whether or not you're AD is going to get canned with your own fanbase?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

Rutgers continues to embarrass themselves. They will always embarrass themselves. If they didn't, they wouldn't be Rutgers. Embarassing, that's what they are.

That is the story here.

 

[B1GEast]

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

If the acc stays put or doesn't lose too many teams, I think uconn would be a better fit in the acc, the B1G is a more stable conference and better managed, so ultimately the B1G is better.

 

[NHUConnfan]

fine, bc isn't big in boston either, trust me vt, nh, me and ri are bigger uconn fans than bcu and umass combined, and that's mainly due to our bball programs. uconn is new england.

My point is that any college coverage in the Boston area is BC coverage. And anyone who lives in that area knows...that's almost zero time. The vast majority of New England outside of Connecticut could give less than two sh!ts about college sports...maybe except hockey.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

People from North Jersey like me would agree with your north/south view, but the line would be drawn at Rt 80. Some would even push it to Rt 4. South of Trenton would just be deemed Philoy or Delaware. Every state has cultural separations that don't fit neatly into geography. New Brunswick is the heart of Central Jersey or its South Jersey. Nobody would consider it North Jersey. It's Central Jersey that has the most RU fans (by number and passion).

For HobokenHusky, are you from NJ or just Hoboken? I can see in Hoboken, where many didn't grow up in NJ or are younger and are more into their alma mater, there would be angst towards the state school. My area of NJ in Bergen, however, supports RU on the whole. Maybe it's because there aren't any extreme fans. We do have some fellow UConn grads, however, so we're a vocal minority.

Route 80? So Newark, Jersey City and Morristown are South Jersey towns?

I'm in Hoboken a lot and see a ton of Penn State gear, followed by Rutgers, Syracuse and then a random assortment of former Big East teams FWIW.

I would consider New Brunswick North Jersey as it has the feel of a North Jersey town.

Central Jersey to me is the Trenton area.

South Jersey is the shore and anything south of the Trenton area.

 

[specialisthusky]

Route 80? So Newark, Jersey City and Morristown are South Jersey towns?

I'm in Hoboken a lot and see a ton of Penn State gear, followed by Rutgers, Syracuse and then a random assortment of former Big East teams FWIW.

I would consider New Brunswick North Jersey as it has the feel of a North Jersey town.

Central Jersey to me is the Trenton area.

South Jersey is the shore and anything south of the Trenton area.

Burlington county to AC is south jersey everything above that imaginary line is north jersey. At least that's the opinion of those who grew up in SJ. Oh and SJ is Penn st fans. I don't think I knew one Rutgers fan growing up

 

[Chuck]

Route 80? So Newark, Jersey City and Morristown are South Jersey towns?

I'm in Hoboken a lot and see a ton of Penn State gear, followed by Rutgers, Syracuse and then a random assortment of former Big East teams FWIW.

I would consider New Brunswick North Jersey as it has the feel of a North Jersey town.

Central Jersey to me is the Trenton area.

South Jersey is the shore and anything south of the Trenton area.

NJ is territorial. The Rt 80 thing is an exaggeration for me, because I grew up in that area, but some in northern Bergen would say such (but probably not really mean it). To me, Central Jersey starts in Woodbridge (just north of the Brunswicks). As you can see from specialisthusky's post, south jersey feels similarly.

I agree with specialist that south Jersey is Penn State territory. RU has done a bad job there traditionally. North Jersey is probably split between PSU, ND, Cuse and RU. RU has picked up steam since I was a kid and nobody cared about RU sports unless their kid played there.

If the B1G needed ratings for RU,they would not own the state. If they just want TV sets then they are ok. I still don't understand the argument that the B1G doesn't care about ratings. Don't they need advertising? They can't just make all their money on carriage fees.i actually pull for RU when UConn isn't involved, but nobody is going to watch RU vs Iowa in anything but football. Even our RU visitor can't deny that. I also don't think the B1G network is going to have an easy time getting residents to force expensive carriage rates on the cable companies.

 

[pepband99]

1) Rutgers is in North Jersey. UConn isn't in FC
2) People in North Jersey follow RU and generally are proud to live in NJ. People in FC don't give a about UConn and would rather just create a 51st state to avoid being associated with CT.

As someone who grew up in northern NJ and lives in Fairfield County, you're dead flat wrong on both fronts.

 

[ZooCougar]

Pernetti and the Rutgers President should both be fired.

 

[Excalibur]

As someone who grew up in northern NJ and lives in Fairfield County, you're dead flat wrong on both fronts.

The North Jersey of 20 years ago is not the same as it is now. My point is that, even when UConn is good, FC is indifferent. That's not the case anymore with NJ, even if it was when you lived there.

 

[ruthetiger]

NJ is territorial. The Rt 80 thing is an exaggeration for me, because I grew up in that area, but some in northern Bergen would say such (but probably not really mean it). To me, Central Jersey starts in Woodbridge (just north of the Brunswicks). As you can see from specialisthusky's post, south jersey feels similarly.

I agree with specialist that south Jersey is Penn State territory. RU has done a bad job there traditionally. North Jersey is probably split between PSU, ND, Cuse and RU. RU has picked up steam since I was a kid and nobody cared about RU sports unless their kid played there.

If the B1G needed ratings for RU,they would not own the state. If they just want TV sets then they are ok. I still don't understand the argument that the B1G doesn't care about ratings. Don't they need advertising? They can't just make all their money on carriage fees.i actually pull for RU when UConn isn't involved, but nobody is going to watch RU vs Iowa in anything but football. Even our RU visitor can't deny that. I also don't think the B1G network is going to have an easy time getting residents to force expensive carriage rates on the cable companies.

Few things. RU is starting to make a lot of inroads in SJ so I'm not quite sure how accurate your info is. In the past we were bad (fixed it for ya), but we're doing better now. There are many players on the team from SJ, but our recruiting is starting to pick up steam down there 9especially with the new coaches). SADEXCUSE BARELY recruits the state anymore. There are a few, not quite a few that they get, but it's a low number. If you haven't noticed, they've gone after more jucos that anything and are trying successfully to reestablish their relationships in downstate NY to NYC. So really that school up North is practically irrelevant in NJ. The relationships are just not the same as it was in the past. If anything RU has gone into UpNY to recruit and establish those relationships that LOOSE used to have. ND is ND, they can get whoever they want! And PSU is going to start having a difficult time recruiting anyway in the next few years.

The B1G has enough advertisements in NJ, both north and South, and even Western NJ. The B1G is carrying their package on basic channel. FWIW there are tons of B1G fans in the entire state of NJ. Let's keep in mind that PSU, WISCY, tOSU and Iowa has established those relationships, in NJ long ago. Probably back from the 50's. But still all of this is by theory and not conjecture. We shall see.

 

[Adios]

The North Jersey of 20 years ago is not the same as it is now. My point is that, even when UConn is good, FC is indifferent. That's not the case anymore with NJ, even if it was when you lived there.

Very incorrect. UConn does have a very strong presence in FC.

 

[pepband99]

Very incorrect. UConn does have a very strong presence in FC.

I agree, but i can understand why people wouldn't think so. To be fair, we need to increase our presence on the "gold coast" towns, but much of the rest of the county is a strong lean. People tend to forget about the eastern end of the county, and also that Danbury is part of the county (which is a very very strong UConn presence)

 

[pepband99]

The North Jersey of 20 years ago is not the same as it is now. My point is that, even when UConn is good, FC is indifferent. That's not the case anymore with NJ, even if it was when you lived there.

I'll be fair (again) - I grew up in REALLY northern NJ - the gravitational pull to NYC far far outweighed anything to the south or west. The leading college attended when I graduated was NYU, and still is (though tied with Rutgers). 2 UConn attendees from 2010 (which is latest I could find) - need to talk to those people.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

We, the UCONN fan base and, (much) more importantly, UCONN's management have to accept the fact that Rutgers and Louisville were found to be more worthy than UCONN by two conferences. In both cases, some combination of institutional attributes and the ability to sell those attributes trumped the UCONN product.

What really scares me is UCONN's present situation. Can the institution do what's necessary to favorably differentiate itself from future rivals for one of the coveted league slots? More importantly, can UCONN sell itself? Can the school establish itself in Fairfield County and New York City? Most importantly, can it fix the FB program?

I hope the UCONN powers that be understand that it's not Rutger's or Louisville's fault that UCONN wasn't chosen. The "fault" for UCONN's present situation lies with UCONN, period. I hope that UCONN is in the process of developing a plan that get's it to a better conference affiliation. If that plan includes pieces of a Rutgers/Louisville/WV or (even) BC methodology, so be it. Whatever those schools did was good enough. What our guys did was not.

 

[B1GEast]

We, the UCONN fan base and, (much) more importantly, UCONN's management have to accept the fact that Rutgers and Louisville were found to be more worthy than UCONN by two conferences. In both cases, some combination of institutional attributes and the ability to sell those attributes trumped the UCONN product.

What really scares me is UCONN's present situation. Can the institution do what's necessary to favorably differentiate itself from future rivals for one of the coveted league slots? More importantly, can UCONN sell itself? Can the school establish itself in Fairfield County and New York City? Most importantly, can it fix the FB program?

I hope the UCONN powers that be understand that it's not Rutger's or Louisville's fault that UCONN wasn't chosen. The "fault" for UCONN's present situation lies with UCONN, period. I hope that UCONN is in the process of developing a plan that get's it to a better conference affiliation. If that plan includes pieces of a Rutgers/Louisville/WV or (even) BC methodology, so be it. Whatever those schools did was good enough. What our guys did was not.

100 percent correct

 

[SubbaBub]

I agree. We need to be the 800 lb Gorilla in the AAC to ever have a chance to get out. If that means paying players like the big boys do, I'd be fine with it as long as we cheat at a BCS level.

I am only half joking.

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