Rutgers- B1G Mistake

[B1GEast]

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

If the acc stays put or doesn't lose too many teams, I think uconn would be a better fit in the acc, the B1G is a more stable conference and better managed, so ultimately the B1G is better.

 

[NHUConnfan]

fine, bc isn't big in boston either, trust me vt, nh, me and ri are bigger uconn fans than bcu and umass combined, and that's mainly due to our bball programs. uconn is new england.

My point is that any college coverage in the Boston area is BC coverage. And anyone who lives in that area knows...that's almost zero time. The vast majority of New England outside of Connecticut could give less than two sh!ts about college sports...maybe except hockey.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

People from North Jersey like me would agree with your north/south view, but the line would be drawn at Rt 80. Some would even push it to Rt 4. South of Trenton would just be deemed Philoy or Delaware. Every state has cultural separations that don't fit neatly into geography. New Brunswick is the heart of Central Jersey or its South Jersey. Nobody would consider it North Jersey. It's Central Jersey that has the most RU fans (by number and passion).

For HobokenHusky, are you from NJ or just Hoboken? I can see in Hoboken, where many didn't grow up in NJ or are younger and are more into their alma mater, there would be angst towards the state school. My area of NJ in Bergen, however, supports RU on the whole. Maybe it's because there aren't any extreme fans. We do have some fellow UConn grads, however, so we're a vocal minority.

Route 80? So Newark, Jersey City and Morristown are South Jersey towns?

I'm in Hoboken a lot and see a ton of Penn State gear, followed by Rutgers, Syracuse and then a random assortment of former Big East teams FWIW.

I would consider New Brunswick North Jersey as it has the feel of a North Jersey town.

Central Jersey to me is the Trenton area.

South Jersey is the shore and anything south of the Trenton area.

 

[specialisthusky]

Route 80? So Newark, Jersey City and Morristown are South Jersey towns?

I'm in Hoboken a lot and see a ton of Penn State gear, followed by Rutgers, Syracuse and then a random assortment of former Big East teams FWIW.

I would consider New Brunswick North Jersey as it has the feel of a North Jersey town.

Central Jersey to me is the Trenton area.

South Jersey is the shore and anything south of the Trenton area.

Burlington county to AC is south jersey everything above that imaginary line is north jersey. At least that's the opinion of those who grew up in SJ. Oh and SJ is Penn st fans. I don't think I knew one Rutgers fan growing up

 

[Chuck]

Route 80? So Newark, Jersey City and Morristown are South Jersey towns?

I'm in Hoboken a lot and see a ton of Penn State gear, followed by Rutgers, Syracuse and then a random assortment of former Big East teams FWIW.

I would consider New Brunswick North Jersey as it has the feel of a North Jersey town.

Central Jersey to me is the Trenton area.

South Jersey is the shore and anything south of the Trenton area.

NJ is territorial. The Rt 80 thing is an exaggeration for me, because I grew up in that area, but some in northern Bergen would say such (but probably not really mean it). To me, Central Jersey starts in Woodbridge (just north of the Brunswicks). As you can see from specialisthusky's post, south jersey feels similarly.

I agree with specialist that south Jersey is Penn State territory. RU has done a bad job there traditionally. North Jersey is probably split between PSU, ND, Cuse and RU. RU has picked up steam since I was a kid and nobody cared about RU sports unless their kid played there.

If the B1G needed ratings for RU,they would not own the state. If they just want TV sets then they are ok. I still don't understand the argument that the B1G doesn't care about ratings. Don't they need advertising? They can't just make all their money on carriage fees.i actually pull for RU when UConn isn't involved, but nobody is going to watch RU vs Iowa in anything but football. Even our RU visitor can't deny that. I also don't think the B1G network is going to have an easy time getting residents to force expensive carriage rates on the cable companies.

 

[pepband99]

1) Rutgers is in North Jersey. UConn isn't in FC
2) People in North Jersey follow RU and generally are proud to live in NJ. People in FC don't give a about UConn and would rather just create a 51st state to avoid being associated with CT.

As someone who grew up in northern NJ and lives in Fairfield County, you're dead flat wrong on both fronts.

 

[ZooCougar]

Pernetti and the Rutgers President should both be fired.

 

[Excalibur]

As someone who grew up in northern NJ and lives in Fairfield County, you're dead flat wrong on both fronts.

The North Jersey of 20 years ago is not the same as it is now. My point is that, even when UConn is good, FC is indifferent. That's not the case anymore with NJ, even if it was when you lived there.

 

[ruthetiger]

NJ is territorial. The Rt 80 thing is an exaggeration for me, because I grew up in that area, but some in northern Bergen would say such (but probably not really mean it). To me, Central Jersey starts in Woodbridge (just north of the Brunswicks). As you can see from specialisthusky's post, south jersey feels similarly.

I agree with specialist that south Jersey is Penn State territory. RU has done a bad job there traditionally. North Jersey is probably split between PSU, ND, Cuse and RU. RU has picked up steam since I was a kid and nobody cared about RU sports unless their kid played there.

If the B1G needed ratings for RU,they would not own the state. If they just want TV sets then they are ok. I still don't understand the argument that the B1G doesn't care about ratings. Don't they need advertising? They can't just make all their money on carriage fees.i actually pull for RU when UConn isn't involved, but nobody is going to watch RU vs Iowa in anything but football. Even our RU visitor can't deny that. I also don't think the B1G network is going to have an easy time getting residents to force expensive carriage rates on the cable companies.

Few things. RU is starting to make a lot of inroads in SJ so I'm not quite sure how accurate your info is. In the past we were bad (fixed it for ya), but we're doing better now. There are many players on the team from SJ, but our recruiting is starting to pick up steam down there 9especially with the new coaches). SADEXCUSE BARELY recruits the state anymore. There are a few, not quite a few that they get, but it's a low number. If you haven't noticed, they've gone after more jucos that anything and are trying successfully to reestablish their relationships in downstate NY to NYC. So really that school up North is practically irrelevant in NJ. The relationships are just not the same as it was in the past. If anything RU has gone into UpNY to recruit and establish those relationships that LOOSE used to have. ND is ND, they can get whoever they want! And PSU is going to start having a difficult time recruiting anyway in the next few years.

The B1G has enough advertisements in NJ, both north and South, and even Western NJ. The B1G is carrying their package on basic channel. FWIW there are tons of B1G fans in the entire state of NJ. Let's keep in mind that PSU, WISCY, tOSU and Iowa has established those relationships, in NJ long ago. Probably back from the 50's. But still all of this is by theory and not conjecture. We shall see.

 

[Adios]

The North Jersey of 20 years ago is not the same as it is now. My point is that, even when UConn is good, FC is indifferent. That's not the case anymore with NJ, even if it was when you lived there.

Very incorrect. UConn does have a very strong presence in FC.

 

[pepband99]

Very incorrect. UConn does have a very strong presence in FC.

I agree, but i can understand why people wouldn't think so. To be fair, we need to increase our presence on the "gold coast" towns, but much of the rest of the county is a strong lean. People tend to forget about the eastern end of the county, and also that Danbury is part of the county (which is a very very strong UConn presence)

 

[pepband99]

The North Jersey of 20 years ago is not the same as it is now. My point is that, even when UConn is good, FC is indifferent. That's not the case anymore with NJ, even if it was when you lived there.

I'll be fair (again) - I grew up in REALLY northern NJ - the gravitational pull to NYC far far outweighed anything to the south or west. The leading college attended when I graduated was NYU, and still is (though tied with Rutgers). 2 UConn attendees from 2010 (which is latest I could find) - need to talk to those people.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

We, the UCONN fan base and, (much) more importantly, UCONN's management have to accept the fact that Rutgers and Louisville were found to be more worthy than UCONN by two conferences. In both cases, some combination of institutional attributes and the ability to sell those attributes trumped the UCONN product.

What really scares me is UCONN's present situation. Can the institution do what's necessary to favorably differentiate itself from future rivals for one of the coveted league slots? More importantly, can UCONN sell itself? Can the school establish itself in Fairfield County and New York City? Most importantly, can it fix the FB program?

I hope the UCONN powers that be understand that it's not Rutger's or Louisville's fault that UCONN wasn't chosen. The "fault" for UCONN's present situation lies with UCONN, period. I hope that UCONN is in the process of developing a plan that get's it to a better conference affiliation. If that plan includes pieces of a Rutgers/Louisville/WV or (even) BC methodology, so be it. Whatever those schools did was good enough. What our guys did was not.

 

[B1GEast]

We, the UCONN fan base and, (much) more importantly, UCONN's management have to accept the fact that Rutgers and Louisville were found to be more worthy than UCONN by two conferences. In both cases, some combination of institutional attributes and the ability to sell those attributes trumped the UCONN product.

What really scares me is UCONN's present situation. Can the institution do what's necessary to favorably differentiate itself from future rivals for one of the coveted league slots? More importantly, can UCONN sell itself? Can the school establish itself in Fairfield County and New York City? Most importantly, can it fix the FB program?

I hope the UCONN powers that be understand that it's not Rutger's or Louisville's fault that UCONN wasn't chosen. The "fault" for UCONN's present situation lies with UCONN, period. I hope that UCONN is in the process of developing a plan that get's it to a better conference affiliation. If that plan includes pieces of a Rutgers/Louisville/WV or (even) BC methodology, so be it. Whatever those schools did was good enough. What our guys did was not.

100 percent correct

 

[SubbaBub]

I agree. We need to be the 800 lb Gorilla in the AAC to ever have a chance to get out. If that means paying players like the big boys do, I'd be fine with it as long as we cheat at a BCS level.

I am only half joking.

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[rich1122]

We, the UCONN fan base and, (much) more importantly, UCONN's management have to accept the fact that Rutgers and Louisville were found to be more worthy than UCONN by two conferences. In both cases, some combination of institutional attributes and the ability to sell those attributes trumped the UCONN product.

What really scares me is UCONN's present situation. Can the institution do what's necessary to favorably differentiate itself from future rivals for one of the coveted league slots? More importantly, can UCONN sell itself? Can the school establish itself in Fairfield County and New York City? Most importantly, can it fix the FB program?

I hope the UCONN powers that be understand that it's not Rutger's or Louisville's fault that UCONN wasn't chosen. The "fault" for UCONN's present situation lies with UCONN, period. I hope that UCONN is in the process of developing a plan that get's it to a better conference affiliation. If that plan includes pieces of a Rutgers/Louisville/WV or (even) BC methodology, so be it. Whatever those schools did was good enough. What our guys did was not.

We can't fill a 25,000 person stadium for Ch sakes. Who the he!! is going to choose us? Tell me who.

 

[formerlurker]

We can't fill a 25,000 person stadium for Ch sakes. Who the he!! is going to choose us? Tell me who.

The Ack.

 

[CL82]

There is indeed a central jersey, I lived there for a bit. Trenton, Princeton, and Six Flags are all in central Jersey.

North, South, Shore, Central, and Sussex are the five parts.

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Nah, it's north or south and New Brunswick is north.

Now I'm sure that the state has been parcelled up a lot of different ways but the north, south jersey has been the distinction forever.

 

[CL82]

Hey coach how many kids did you hit in the head with a ball today?

 

[rich1122]

The Ack.

Tell me this Batman. Who thinks that every single seat will be filled for BOTH the MD and MI games.

 

[formerlurker]

Tell me this Batman. Who thinks that every single seat will be filled for BOTH the MD and MI games.

Ack= American Athletic Conference my friend. I wasn't debating your post.

That being said, I may be overly optimistic but I'm thinking those are the 2 games that we'll actually see a packed Rent. Michigan game will be bursting at the seams, trust me.

 

[rich1122]

Ack= American Athletic Conference my friend. I wasn't debating your post.

That being said, I may be overly optimistic but I'm thinking those are the 2 games that we'll actually see a packed Rent. Michigan game will be bursting at the seams, trust me.

I have been to every single Home Game. I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TouchdownHusky]

I agree. We need to be the 800 lb Gorilla in the AAC to ever have a chance to get out. If that means paying players like the big boys do, I'd be fine with it as long as we cheat at a BCS level.

I am only half joking.

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Maybe that would be the recruiting edge that UConn needs. The whole "Character Counts" approach is coming up a little short.

 

[pj]

Dividing Jersey into 5 parts made sense in the horse and buggy era. Nowadays, there's two parts: "New York DMA" and "Philly DMA".

 

[SubbaBub]

Dividing Jersey into 5 parts made sense in the horse and buggy era. Nowadays, there's two parts: "New York DMA" and "Philly DMA".

I lived in Princeton for a while. Neither of those apply. North Jersey has a certain vibe, the south and shore also have their own vibes. Central was completely different as was the water gap area.

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[FAIRTIDES]

We can't fill a 25,000 person stadium for Ch sakes. Who the he!! is going to choose us? Tell me who.

You shrunk the Rent.

That aside, people don't like the product. It's not just the recent losing records, it's the boring product. If UCONN provides a Boise State/TCU type product people will show up; especially if it comes with an HC that exhibits a pulse. Too many seem to be telling us to "show-up and we'll get around to providing a product." If UCONN wants to be attractive to CR, the product has to improve to the point that it attracts buyers (fans). People don't buy expensive stuff hoping it will be good. The know it will be good.

An exciting product will fill the Rent.

 

[rich1122]

You shrunk the Rent.

That aside, people don't like the product. It's not just the recent losing records, it's the boring product. If UCONN provides a Boise State/TCU type product people will show up; especially if it comes with an HC that exhibits a pulse. Too many seem to be telling us to "show-up and we'll get around to providing a product." If UCONN wants to be attractive to CR, the product has to improve to the point that it attracts buyers (fans). People don't buy expensive stuff hoping it will be good. The know it will be good.

An exciting product will fill the Rent.

We have rehashed this several times before. The state is in pretty bad decline economically. I think that fan interest in UCONN sports, and college sports for that matter, has peaked. More jobs more retirees, more people who can support the team are living large on a golf course in the Carolinas.

If we don't sell out at least half of the games this year, we will never see a sniff from a major conference.

 

[Hoophound]

We have rehashed this several times before. The state is in pretty bad decline economically. I think that fan interest in UCONN sports, and college sports for that matter, has peaked. More jobs more retirees, more people who can support the team are living large on a golf course in the Carolinas.

If we don't sell out at least half of the games this year, we will never see a sniff from a major conference.

Nah. The economy in the Carolinas took a beating too. Winning games and scoring points is the cure for what ails is.

 

[rich1122]

Nah. The economy in the Carolinas took a beating too. Winning games and scoring points is the cure for what ails is.

I know somebody moving to the Carolinas in the next few months. Company move for wife - company shut doors and moved to Charlotte. Guy has an immediate job, which he struggled for 4 years to find here. Sure they suffered, but all companies who know what they are doing are going south.

I know 12 season's ticket people not renewing (holders since the inception) who gave up seats because of a move south.

 

[J187Money]

Very incorrect. UConn does have a very strong presence in FC.

Except that you can't get the games on radio because 1080 only reaches as far as Milford.