Rutgers- B1G Mistake

[CTGoonie]

NCAA East regional games in 2014 are at MSG. A Uconn appearance there would show the world that NYC is Uconn country.

 

[CL82]

Rutgers is in central new jersey, not northern new jersey. People who follow RU aren't that many, and of those that do, they like their school, for sure. However, you have no idea what you are talking about when you say "people" (assuming you mean the general populace) follow Rutgers. Rutgers alums (of which there are plenty) and family and friends follow Rutgers. The people of New Jersey? Nope.

There is no central Jersey, it's either north or south. In any event RU's main campus is in New Brunswick which is in the northern third of the state. See the notch on the right hand side of the map? That's Perth Amboy. New Brunswich is just west of that.

In any event, you are confusing 'fans' with 'households.' We can debate whether RU has a lot of the former but there is no debate that NJ has huge number of the latter.

 

[SubbaBub]

There is indeed a central jersey, I lived there for a bit. Trenton, Princeton, and Six Flags are all in central Jersey.

North, South, Shore, Central, and Sussex are the five parts.

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[rich1122]

Why was Rutgers chosen over UConn? Let's say we were 11-0 and about to play Pitt at Rentschler Field for the Big East Championship and a spot in the BCS. Would the Empire State Building be lit up in blue? When I saw it was lit in red for a big Rutgers game it told me everything about who the public would percieve had a better claim on the hearts and minds of NYC. Sometimes perception is reality. If we want to lay claim to NYC, we need to prove it. I was at MSG for the NC State game. Not a great turnout. We had better pack the Barclay's Center next fall, despite the football conflict. We need to be in our football seats by kickoff. And we need to win.

We would have empty seats that's what would happen.

 

[B1GEast]

Most of New England? Nonsense. Maybe most of Connecticut.

There are only 3 div 1 schools in new england, umass is new and no one cares about bc, not even in boston. Uconn has a very strong presence in new england whether you wish to believe it or not.

 

[HobokenHusky]

Why was Rutgers chosen over UConn? Let's say we were 11-0 and about to play Pitt at Rentschler Field for the Big East Championship and a spot in the BCS. Would the Empire State Building be lit up in blue? When I saw it was lit in red for a big Rutgers game it told me everything about who the public would percieve had a better claim on the hearts and minds of NYC. Sometimes perception is reality. If we want to lay claim to NYC, we need to prove it. I was at MSG for the NC State game. Not a great turnout. We had better pack the Barclay's Center next fall, despite the football conflict. We need to be in our football seats by kickoff. And we need to win.

Dude, they paid them to light it red. It pisses me off when people mark this as some crowning achievement for their athletic programs. We could absolutely get it lit up blue and white if we wanted to and there wasn't a conflict of a national holiday. It was a great PR move, that is it. The Empire State building did not choose to light the building red unprovoked because Rutgers is just that popular.

Freakin' Swedish House Mafia had it lit Swedish flag colors when they performed at MSG. I guess they own the NYC market as well.

http://www.esbnyc.com/current_events_tower_lights.asp

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Dude, they paid them to light it red. It pisses me off when people mark this as some crowning achievement for their athletic programs. We could absolutely get it lit up blue and white if we wanted to and there wasn't a conflict of a national holiday. It was a great PR move, that is it. The Empire State building did not choose to light the building red unprovoked because Rutgers is just that popular.

Freakin' Swedish House Mafia had it lit Swedish flag colors when they performed at MSG. I guess they own the NYC market as well.

http://www.esbnyc.com/current_events_tower_lights.asp

Unlike the other 99% of the time.....that actually was money well spent.

 

[Chuck]

There is no central Jersey, it's either north or south. In any event RU's main campus is in New Brunswick which is in the northern third of the state. See the notch on the right hand side of the map? That's Perth Amboy. New Brunswich is just west of that.

In any event, you are confusing 'fans' with 'households.' We can debate whether RU has a lot of the former but there is no debate that NJ has huge number of the latter.

People from North Jersey like me would agree with your north/south view, but the line would be drawn at Rt 80. Some would even push it to Rt 4. South of Trenton would just be deemed Philoy or Delaware. Every state has cultural separations that don't fit neatly into geography. New Brunswick is the heart of Central Jersey or its South Jersey. Nobody would consider it North Jersey. It's Central Jersey that has the most RU fans (by number and passion).

For HobokenHusky, are you from NJ or just Hoboken? I can see in Hoboken, where many didn't grow up in NJ or are younger and are more into their alma mater, there would be angst towards the state school. My area of NJ in Bergen, however, supports RU on the whole. Maybe it's because there aren't any extreme fans. We do have some fellow UConn grads, however, so we're a vocal minority.

 

[huskymedic]

Dude, they paid them to light it red. It pisses me off when people mark this as some crowning achievement for their athletic programs. We could absolutely get it lit up blue and white if we wanted to and there wasn't a conflict of a national holiday. It was a great PR move, that is it. The Empire State building did not choose to light the building red unprovoked because Rutgers is just that popular.

Freakin' Swedish House Mafia had it lit Swedish flag colors when they performed at MSG. I guess they own the NYC market as well.

http://www.esbnyc.com/current_events_tower_lights.asp[/quote]

I get the application/selection process but not sure you "pay" to get it lit.

What's the cost - don't see it. Who foots this bill if so - NCAA?

April 6

North Side – Orange/Blue/Orange (Syracuse University)
East Side – Blue/Yellow/Blue (University of Michigan)
South Side – Red/White/Red (University of Louisville)
West Side – Yellow/Black/Yellow (Wichita State) In honor of the NCAA Final Four

 

[NHUConnfan]

There are only 3 div 1 schools in new england, umass is new and no one cares about bc, not even in boston. Uconn has a very strong presence in new england whether you wish to believe it or not.

If it ain't on the TV, it ain't gonna get the fan base. I wasn't a UConn fan until I accepted my offer to go there. Not many UConn coverage in the heavily pro-weighted Boston sports market. In fact, they almost ignore UConn purposefully. I remember Tony Mazz saying that BC was the only Div-I school in New England (before UMass came up.) I almost choked on my drink.

 

[Sportsman5]

Most of New England? Nonsense. Maybe most of Connecticut.

A lot of people follow UConn sports in Massachusetts. If the games were on TV, than people would definitely become devoted fans. As a side note, increasing the percent of out of state students admitted to UConn would help with NYC and New England fan base. It would also raise the credentials of the average student as right now there are out of state students getting rejected with much better grades and SAT scores than the bottom percent of instate residents admitted.

 

[B1GEast]

If it ain't on the TV, it ain't gonna get the fan base. I wasn't a UConn fan until I accepted my offer to go there. Not many UConn coverage in the heavily pro-weighted Boston sports market. In fact, they almost ignore UConn purposefully. I remember Tony Mazz saying that BC was the only Div-I school in New England (before UMass came up.) I almost choked on my drink.

fine, bc isn't big in boston either, trust me vt, nh, me and ri are bigger uconn fans than bcu and umass combined, and that's mainly due to our bball programs. uconn is new england.

 

[uconnell]

Why was Rutgers chosen over UConn? Let's say we were 11-0 and about to play Pitt at Rentschler Field for the Big East Championship and a spot in the BCS. Would the Empire State Building be lit up in blue? When I saw it was lit in red for a big Rutgers game it told me everything about who the public would percieve had a better claim on the hearts and minds of NYC. Sometimes perception is reality. If we want to lay claim to NYC, we need to prove it. I was at MSG for the NC State game. Not a great turnout. We had better pack the Barclay's Center next fall, despite the football conflict. We need to be in our football seats by kickoff. And we need to win.

The Empire State Bldg. did not do that because they were fans of RU, they did it because they were paid to do it. Why didn't they do it for the Cuse (NY.s college team) for the 6 OT game or for CT 5 games in 5 days? Cuse nor UConn paid them Got to give it to Shady, he covered all bases..

 

[Dooley]

Pernetti isn't getting fired. He delivered the lovable loser Chicago Cubs of college sports (the bankrupt and corrupt version) to the B1G. He has a job for life.

 

[huskymedic]

Pernetti isn't getting fired. He delivered the lovable loser Chicago Cubs of college sports (the bankrupt and corrupt version) to the B1G. He has a job for life.

Not necssarily according to NJ Senate President Sweeney... that conversation needs to be had and legislative hearings coming.

 

[Jimdish255]

I grew up in Stamford way back in the 60's. I used to think that Gov. Nelson Rockefeller ran the state of FC/CT. At that time all the TV antennas could pick up was News from New York City. There wasn't enough aluminum foil to put on you antennas to pick up WTNH and Channel 3 was out of the question. With all the FC people who still work in NYC it is no wonder they still consider the rest of the state to be the quite corner.

That was a long, long time ago. Sure it was the case but things started to turn around mostly coinciding with the rise of UC Hoops. Now all CT networks are in HD on Cablevision and broadcasting in HD OTA if you make a small effort. Yes most of FFC identifies with the Yankees (or mets) and there will always be a strong NYC connection. But things are changing and Connecticut with the proper branding can only help that.

 

[rich1122]

Nobody will take us seriously until we have 35,000 season tickets sold - and they show up every week and don't come late and leave early. Sorry to burst everybody's bubble

 

[Jimdish255]

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[ruthetiger]

More NYC residents follow UConn than Rutgers. Our SNY deal is better. Our media coverage is better in NYC.

And you know this how? Fwiw, no one can honestly say for sure. The bottom line is that Ct doesn't have the demographics, because if you did, UCONN would be in the B1G and not RU. Also, the footprint of being in the conference also has to do with recruiting grounds, which UCONN doesn't have enough of to speak with. Is our bob team bad? Yep! But our football team is doing quite well, and has shown that it can put fannies in the seats, if the opportunity presents itself.

Yes your AD can generate good income and is very intelligently sufficient. The question is does UCONN have the intangibles (ie regional and national recruiting) that RU obviously have to sustain future success mainly in football, especially with ceiling potential? Maybe, maybe not! That's something that all have to ponder.

 

[ruthetiger]

That's exactly it. They will be another Indiana minus the basketball. RU sports suck and have been sucking forever. I doubt they will improve in the B1G.

It sucks we got left at the altar but I hope things will change. It makes no sense we are in our position and they are in the B1G. It does not even matter they gonna suck in the B1G now and forever either.

Yeah according to you; but we made it out. You didn't!

 

[Jimdish255]

And you know this how? Fwiw, no one can honestly say for sure. The bottom line is that Ct doesn't have the demographics, because if you did, UCONN would be in the B1G and not RU. Also, the footprint of being in the conference also has to do with recruiting grounds, which UCONN doesn't have enough of to speak with. Is our bob team bad? Yep! But our football team is doing quite well, and has shown that it can put fannies in the seats, if the opportunity presents itself.

Yes your AD can generate good income and is very intelligently sufficient. The question is does UCONN have the intangibles (ie regional and national recruiting) that RU obviously have to sustain future success mainly in football, especially with ceiling potential? Maybe, maybe not! That's something that all have to ponder.

Everyone has acknowledged (over and over in painful detail) that recruiting is a big positive for Rutgers. Beyond that and media footprint it will be the conference elevating RU athletics not the other way around.

 

[ruthetiger]

Everyone has acknowledged (over and over in painful detail) that recruiting is a big positive for Rutgers. Beyond that and media footprint it will be the conference elevating RU athletics not the other way around.

Yes you are absolutely right! The conference has and is elevating RU as a program on a whole, exponentially even. But isn't that what counts the most? I mean, what will UCONN have to offer the B1G or the ACC other than a few BB chips? What's the footprint? Where's the potential besides what so many of you retort about? Calhoun and Auriemma has brought your institution status, on a national scale, but that's only in MBB/WBB, and thats on a limited scale. Then what else? As many of you already know, football is what drives the bus!

 

[B1GEast]

And you know this the how? Fwiw, no one can honestly say for sure. The bottom line is that Ct doesn't have the demographics, because if you did, UCONN would be in the B1G and not RU. Also, the footprint of being in the conference also has to do with recruiting grounds, which UCONN doesn't have enough of to speak with. Is our bob team bad? Yep! But our football team is doing quite well, and has shown that it can put fannies in the seats, if the opportunity presents itself.

Yes your AD can generate good income and is very intelligently sufficient. The question is does UCONN have the intangibles (ie regional and national recruiting) that RU obviously have to sustain future success mainly in football, especially with ceiling potential? Maybe, maybe not! That's something that all have to ponder.

Trust me, the B1G didn't need NJ recruiting grounds, that's just absurd, they chose Rutgers because of their proximity to NYC, their aau status and the fact they lie withing the conference footprint. This had nothing to do with rutgers attendance, it was a logical choice to bring rutgers in with maryland, but the real truth is this was about maryland first, without the terps jumping to the B1G, rutgers would have not been invited. If the B1G does expand I believe Uconn would have a better shot with rutgers already joining, but who know's how expansion will play out.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Yeah according to you; but we made it out. You didn't!

Forgive us for not being the Clampetts of the BE.

 

[ruthetiger]

Trust me, the B1G didn't need NJ recruiting grounds, that's just absurd, they chose Rutgers because of their proximity to NYC, their aau status and the fact they lie withing the conference footprint. This had nothing to do with rutgers attendance, it was a logical choice to bring rutgers in with maryland, but the real truth is this was about maryland first, without the terps jumping to the B1G, rutgers would have not been invited. If the B1G does expand I believe Uconn would have a better shot with rutgers already joining, but who know's how expansion will play out.

Okay. That may be your theory and conjecture, however, the fact remains, that it still was and is THE LOGICAL choice as you stated. But if the B1G expands again, do you really feel that UCONN would have that better shot? Or how about FSU, which is unhappy, or maybe Okie; how about poaching Mizzou from the SEC? There are tons of schools the B1G is considering. You may be one of them. However, that's not a short list. And you may never see that invite. Besides the B1G has been in contact with RU for a few years anyway.

 

[ruthetiger]

Forgive us for not being the Clampetts of the BE.

Oh. That's quite alright.

 

[B1GEast]

Okay. That may be your theory and conjecture, however, the fact remains, that it still was and is THE LOGICAL choice as you stated. But if the B1G expands again, do you really feel that UCONN would have that better shot? Or how about FSU, which is unhappy, or maybe Okie; how about poaching Mizzou from the SEC? There are tons of schools the B1G is considering. You may be one of them. However, that's not a short list. And you may never see that invite. Besides the B1G has been in contact with RU for a few years anyway.

I can see FSU and several other acc teams in play, mizzu, and oklahoma are not B1G bound, I never said uconn was on a short list, I simply said that having rutgers in the B1G would be beneficial to uconn. I'm sure that a lot of teams have been communicating with the B1G, acc and other major conferences, that's not relevant.

 

[ruthetiger]

I can see FSU and several other acc teams in play, mizzu, and oklahoma are not B1G bound, I never said uconn was on a short list, I simply said that having rutgers in the B1G would be beneficial to uconn. I'm sure that a lot of teams have been communicating with the B1G, acc and other major conferences, that's not relevant.

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

 

[Mots010]

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

What do you want man? Your team made out better than any other in CR because of its proximity to NYC. Don't try to convince yourself its because of that one shared conference title without WVU or Pasqueloni getting fired at SU and lucking into Ray Rice.

Our team has been left behind and of course we're going to bad mouth your school. Whats the point of trying to rub it in our face. Shouldnt you be debating whether or not you're AD is going to get canned with your own fanbase?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

If that is the case, what would happen if the ACC came knocking on your door? Would you go? What if that B1G invite doesn't come? The whole issue is simply potential and money. From your assessment where would UCONN fit directly?

Rutgers continues to embarrass themselves. They will always embarrass themselves. If they didn't, they wouldn't be Rutgers. Embarassing, that's what they are.

That is the story here.