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Rumor- UCONN Pursuing ACC Membership?

August_West said:
LOL
Again.
and again and again and again. You poor saps. :)
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I so much want you to be wrong here. But this entire drama keeps reminding me of the final scene of Shogun. With Richard Chamberlain.
 
Waquoit said:
I so much want you to be wrong here. But this entire drama keeps reminding me of the final scene of Shogun. With Richard Chamberlain.
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I want me to be wrong too. Somehow I had a see the light moment when the ACC did their GOR in 2013, which was even tightened after that. I saw the writing and I let go of it entirely, because it was never going to happen. Not in a decade and probably not the next decade. I was right about the first decade. Put the odds on me for the second.

Because we arent going to the B10 (whatever happened to our AAU initiative anyway, remember that? Jesus there are so many crazy things to remember)

We arent going anywhere. It was the ACC or bust.

We still may end there someday, but if we do it will not be the ACC anyway, because they will have been stripped by SEC and B10. It will be like the AAC forming out of the BigEast breakup.

The ACC GOR has them locked in for another decade. Only ESPN (seriously they can, and they might) can blow it up.
 
Texas, Oklahoma, UCLA, USC. Those were the final nails in the coffin. It is by far and away the P2 and a whole slew of everyone else. So I'm with Adub ^^. Maybe we get in some version of a conference but I am far less concerned about it now than when it was the P5.
 
August_West said:
I want me to be wrong too. Somehow I had a see the light moment when the ACC did their GOR in 2013, which was even tightened after that. I saw the writing and I let go of it entirely, because it was never going to happen. Not in a decade and probably not the next decade. I was right about the first decade. Put the odds on me for the second.

Because we arent going to the B10 (whatever happened to our AAU initiative anyway, remember that? there are so many crazy things to remember)

We arent going anywhere. It was the ACC or bust.

We still may end there someday, but if we do it will not be the ACC anyway, because they will have been stripped by SEC and B10. It will be like the AAC forming out of the BigEast breakup.

The ACC GOR has them locked in for another decade. Only ESPN (seriously they can, and they might) can blow it up.
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It'd probably be UConn joining an ACC constituted of remnants like:
Old Big East: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and

"Original" ACC: NC State, GA Tech, VA Tech, Wake Forest, and Duke if they get left behind, and

Likely a few other adds such as USF and ECU (would probably need a couple more to get up over a dozen).

Not great, but not bad either. Decent hoops and football, enough attractive games for the casual CT sports fan to go to games. Good for soccer, baseball, field hockey, etc. And provides stability in the new world order and a decent paycheck. That's about all we can hope for - unless football can become a perennial top 30'ish program.
 
uconndogs said:
It would seem to make sense that the BiG would want to be in the Bay Area and in Washington/Seattle. Big and affluent markets. Not sure why that didn't happen this round other than maybe they didn't want to obliterate the PAC all at once.

I agree that UNC and Virginia make a lot of sense for the BiG or even the SEC for that matter. But, like FSU, they are mired in the ACC.
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UNC and UVA, especially together, are much stronger plays for the B1G or SEC than FSU. Two clear alpha universities that are in growing markets and are contiguous to existing schools.

The Ultimate play for the B1G is a four team grab of UVA, UNC, GT, and FSU. They'd have the eastern seaboard from PA, NJ, MD, VA, NC, GA and FL.

For the SEC UVA and UNC fit nicely with UGA, SoCar, Tenn and the other eastern schools. GT and FSU are much lesser strategic gains for the SEC than they are for the B1G.
 
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ZooCougar said:
There is no door open for us.

Until this uneven revenue distribution is settled there will be zero appetite to add anyone and further dilute what is already a worst in class media deal.
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That’s not what I’m hearing.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
I guess you were not privy to the main reason why UConn left the American Conference at Benedict’s and some head coaches urging. :rolleyes:
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Great. Does that make Benedict and Hurley 10X more insane than FSU or any other AD considering the fact that they are now flying their teams to Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, and Ohio for a fraction of what FSU would get in The B1G?
 
CL82 said:
You don’t think that the ACC will lose conference members? I do. FSU and Clemson have made clear that they’re not happy. It may not be until 2036, but I think it will happen.

I suspect that our eventual home will be in a group significantly south (dollar wise) of the P2 and somewhat north of the G5. Not the best landing place, but probably the best we can hope for.
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Sure. They might. But that’s irrelevant.

The door is not open right now.
 
Chin Diesel said:
UNC and UVA, especially together, are much stronger plays for the B1G or SEC than FSU. Two clear alpha universities that are in growing markets and are contiguous to existing schools.

The Ultimate play for the B1G is a four team grab of UVA, UNC, GT, and FSU. They'd have the eastern seaboard from PA, NJ, MD, VA, NC, GA and FL.

For the SEC UVA and UNC fit nicely with UGA, SoCar, Tenn and the other eastern schools. GT and FSU are much lesser strategic gains for the SEC than they are for the B1G.
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Do you think that UVA and UNC are more valuable in commanding a bigger fee rights wise than FSU and Clemson?
 
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CL82 said:
Agree with everything in your post except for this sentence. Nothing could ever match the bucket of suck that was the AAC.
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Its the same because its the "leftovers"
 
ZooCougar said:
Do you think that UVA and UNC are more valuable in commanding a bigger fee rights wise than FSU and Clemson?
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Realistically, I don't know. I would definitely look at any numbers with open eyes but I think name brand-wise for academics and athletics, alumni, donor support, etc there's a lot to be said for comparing them as groups of two.

Overall, with UVA butting up against DC metro and UNC's growth they are bigger names and markets than Clemson and FSU. FSU is a clear #2 in the state of Florida compared to the Gators. I am pretty certain Clemson clubs the Gamecocks for national recognition.

All four states are still massive growth states but it's eyeballs and matchups. And it's not just what the fans of those four schools want, it's what the existing schools' alumni and fans want. We all saw that with UConn in AAC. Plenty of football games and some basketball games against highly ranked opponents but UConn fans still weren't interested.

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CL82 said:
Agree with everything in your post except for this sentence. Nothing could ever match the bucket of suck that was the AAC.
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The problem with the aac is everyone had a foot out the door… if they didn’t invite tusa and witchita state and kept the big east name … and signed a gor… and uconn played like the anchor of the conference… they would have made a lot more money… and I think they would have got some of the schools from the big 12 when they Texas and Oklahoma left
 
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Beachview said:
The problem with the aac is everyone had a foot out the door… if they didn’t invite tusa and witchita state and kept the big east name … and signed a gor… and uconn played like the anchor of the conference… they would have made a lot more money… and I think they would have got some of the schools from the big 12 when they Texas and Oklahoma left
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Here’s the thing people don’t go from places where they make more money to places where they make less money. The problem with the American wasn’t Connecticut. The problem was that it was a bus station rather than a destination. Everyone, every single one, in that conference wanted to go somewhere else. Probably the biggest problem for us is that Aresco wanted to make it Conference USA on steroids. We wanted the old Big East. It wasn’t compatible.
 
ZooCougar said:
I use a better car wash.
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Yep it’s like when a car wash promotes itself is brushless, but then it has those gravel encrusted cloths that slam up against your car at high speed, scratching the clearcoat. We want to be in a touchless car wash where jets of water are doing the cleaning.
 
CL82 said:
here’s the thing people don’t go from places where they make more money to places where they make less money. The problem with the American wasn’t Connecticut. The problem was that it was a bus station rather than a destination. Everyone, everyone, in that conference wanted to go somewhere else. probably the biggest problem for us. Is Aresco wanted to make it conference USA on steroids. We wanted the old Big East. It wasn’t compatible.
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In my view, the proverbial straw was that last media contract where Aresco steadfastly refused to carve out our WBB program from the group media package. That was a massive affront - and we had to leave even if we were dominating and loving it on the mens side after that. There was no way we could ever allow that band of losers to harvest the decades of brand building made with the WBB program.... regardless if monetizing the WBB would be a modest affair. The principle of it all was too offensive.
 
Ldandy said:
AAU is a strong preference not a requirement. If it was then ND would not be a candidate. FSU and Uconn are strong enough academically to be considered peer schools in The B1G without AAU Membership.
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ND is a candidate because they’re ND.
 
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CL82 said:
Yep it’s like when a car wash promotes itself is brushless, but then it has those gravel encrusted cloths that slam up against your car at high speed, scratching the clearcoat. We want to be in a touchless car wash where jets of water are doing the cleaning.
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Some of those don’t finish the job though.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Realistically, I don't know. I would definitely look at any numbers with open eyes but I think name brand-wise for academics and athletics, alumni, donor support, etc there's a lot to be said for comparing them as groups of two.

Overall, with UVA butting up against DC metro and UNC's growth they are bigger names and markets than Clemson and FSU. FSU is a clear #2 in the state of Florida compared to the Gators. I am pretty certain Clemson clubs the Gamecocks for national recognition.

All four states are still massive growth states but it's eyeballs and matchups. And it's not just what the fans of those four schools want, it's what the existing schools' alumni and fans want. We all saw that with UConn in AAC. Plenty of football games and some basketball games against highly ranked opponents but UConn fans still weren't interested.

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The answer is no.

Cache trumps markets and “growth”.

Nationally FSU and Clemson have more pull then. UNC and UVA.
 
August_West said:
ESPN has the key to that door. If they want to torpedo the ACC TV deal then the fur will fly as that is the out in the GOR
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But why would they torpedo a deal where they are getting pretty damn good value for how little they are paying?

The only way they torpedo the deal is if it’s the other way around.

I tend to think that at this moment we are further away from the ACC than we have ever been.
 
I think UVA and UNC would prefer the B1G over the SEC for two reasons:

Academics - Research heavy AAU members of likeminded schools in the B1G.

Olympic Sports - UVA and UNC sponsor many Olympic sports that are not sponsored in the SEC, but are sponsored in the B1G. Men’s Lacrosse, Men’s Soccer, Men’s Wrestling, Women’s Field Hockey, Women’s Lacrosse, Women’s Rowing, etc. That’s a lot of teams to be orphaned if in the SEC when they would all have conference homes in the B1G.

 
How about something like this... Because UConn is somewhat desperate to get into the ACC and would bring better value to the conference than several current members and FSU/Clemson and a couple of less vocal schools are worried about their situations and want unequal revenue shares (i.e. FSU should make more than Wake, etc), we agree to come in for a significant enough reduced annual payout for some fairly long horizon.

The big revenue schools get helped by this, the small revenue schools have to give up less than they would if they all can't agree to the general concept of unequal shares, ESPN gets UConn for pennies on the dollar, and FSU gets to snicker (with us) behind the backs of BC (and others) who they resent for "stealing money given their lack of value".

If they did this with UConn and one more school, it accompanied with an unequal sharing of post-season monies (i.e. you eat what you kill as opposed to the peanut butter approach) then perhaps it makes FSU/Clemson/UNC (and even Duke for basketball) happier. It would also better position the ACC in the event of a couple of their bigger brands departing before 2036.

Lots of what-ifs but it seems like the ACC is getting to the point of having to be a bit creative or risking being the old Big East and being stolen from to the point of collapse one day.

If the ACC leadership/presidents were smart, they'd invest in programs with untapped potential instead of doing nothing but rearranging deck chairs on the proverbial Titanic.
 
ZooCougar said:
But why would they torpedo a deal where they are getting pretty damn good value for how little they are paying?

The only way they torpedo the deal is if it’s the other way around.

I tend to think that at this moment we are further away from the ACC than we have ever been.
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I don’t think they will . But at the same time considering their SEC deal they might find it in their interest to enable some ACC poaching. That’s the only remote scenario
 
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