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RIP Bill Buckner

There are always some idiots in any fanbase that will do stupid crap. You cant judge the many by the actions of a few.
After the 86 world series the city of Boston had a rally and Buckner got the longest ovation of all the players.
In 1990 he got an ovation when he returned as a player.
These were fresh after the loss and before 2004. Almost all Sox fans knew the game was lost when the game was tied. And I dont think Gedman gets the crap he deserves a good catcher has to make the play on Stanley's inside pitch
Buckner even said in interviews his beef was mainly with the media not the handful of idiots he'd come across.
To be lectured to by mets and yankees fans however is priceless
It wasn't just a few fans. It's not even close to as bad as the way Bill Russell was treated but it's still a black eye on the city. My friend who is the biggest Boston sports fan I've ever known upon learning of Buckner's death said it's unforgivable what they did to Buckner and Russell.

The thing is if the Red Sox never won is Buckner still on the hook and is he not worthy of forgiveness.
 
Your reading problems persist.
My reading problems? Pretty sure Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wasn't brought up in this thread until I brought up him shutting down the whole city.
 
That's what I wanted to see on the ESPN ticker too instead of "Made the fateful error at 1B vs the Mets in the 1986 WS" - man ESPN blows and that was classless reading that along with announcing his passing yesterday, disgusting on their part.

Like x 1,000! ^^^^^^^^^

I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday. The guy was a very good ball player, yet we're going to put all the focus on one bad moment in his career. ESPN sucks Pequabuck River sewage!
 
My reading problems? Pretty sure Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wasn't brought up in this thread until I brought up him shutting down the whole city.

Sigh. As I wrote, 20th century.
 
OK, here's my gripe. I didn't say in the history. I said in the 20th century up until 1986. That's my gripe.

Compare how many people have heard of the Molasses Flood or Coconut Grove to Buckner's error. It's pretty telling.

You will legitimately argue for the next 10 pages here that an error in a baseball game was the greatest tragedy in a city over an 86 year period, instead of just admitting it was complete hyperbole.
 
There are always some idiots in any fanbase that will do stupid crap. You cant judge the many by the actions of a few.
After the 86 world series the city of Boston had a rally and Buckner got the longest ovation of all the players.
In 1990 he got an ovation when he returned as a player.
These were fresh after the loss and before 2004. Almost all Sox fans knew the game was lost when the game was tied. And I dont think Gedman gets the crap he deserves a good catcher has to make the play on Stanley's inside pitch
Buckner even said in interviews his beef was mainly with the media not the handful of idiots he'd come across.
To be lectured to by mets and yankees fans however is priceless

This is a perfect example of my point. It wasn't a few idiots. And now, realizing how bad that fanbase reacted, they try to distance themselves with the "it wasn't me!" angle. Bull. I've lived as a Mets fan in Red Sox country my whole life. It wasn't a few idiots.
 
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"Here I just experienced the best year of my life with a team, and I feel rotten," Bill Buckner said to his wife, Jody, as they drove down Route 93 toward Boston last Wednesday morning. "This whole city hates me. Is this what I'm going to be remembered for? Is this what I've killed myself for all these years? Is a whole season ruined because of a bad hop? I've got to go through the humiliation of this parade, partly because I know I don't deserve it. Oh well, there'll only be two or three players and about 50 people who'll show up to boo us."
When Buckner got to the Red Sox clubhouse, he found at least 15 teammates and coaches waiting for the parade. It was a crystal-clear autumn morning as the Red Sox climbed aboard the flatbed truck that would take them to the rally. When the truck turned onto Boylston Street, Buckner heard the bells of the Arlington Street Church pealing, Take Me Out to the Ballgame, and when the truck neared Copley Square, he saw that the street was lined with faces and banners as far as he could see. Buckner had asked not to speak at the rally at City Hall Plaza, and so he stood at the end of the stage. But when he heard the ringing one-minute ovation that followed his name, Buckner stepped forward and thanked the crowd.
"That was the most incredible experience of my career,"

The Hub Hails Its Hobbling Hero
 
You will legitimately argue for the next 10 pages here that an error in a baseball game was the greatest tragedy in a city over an 86 year period, instead of just admitting it was complete hyperbole.

A) I was quoting from Boston's legendary historian/journalist James O'Donnell.

B) He wasn't using hyperbole. He gave a talk on the whole thing--it wasn't a flippant answer to some question.

C) When people have invested more time and emotions into that game, and the error that ended it, it's not hard to fathom why it was treated as a huge tragedy.

Anyway, his talk was about the way the Red Sox [until then] had been woven into the fabric of everyday life in the region.

But, like I said, Buckner's error is more remembered than the Molasses Flood or Coconut Grove, where hundreds of lives were lost. Obviously the loss of life is a huge tragedy compared to a lost World Series, but the fact that Buckner's error is more infamous shows just how much it lived on as a tragic outcome that outshown the deaths of hundreds.
 
I wasn't even responding to you.

You inserted yourself into the conversation with ConnHusk. He wrote it was the greatest tragedy in the history of the city. Then you came up with the marathon bombing. Totally irrelevant to what he was responding to.
 
They should be more like the Mets and their fans how well they treated him. This before the exhibition game played at Shea in '87.

"Then Monday I agreed to do an interview for The NBC Nightly News, and all the guy kept asking me was, 'How can you look at yourself in the mirror? How can you face your teammates?' I went out for batting practice, and I thought one sign that said, 'Nice legs,' was funny, but when I got the standing ovation from the Mets' fans during the introductions, it wasn't so funny." Neither was the Mets' management's decision to replay the error on the Shea Stadium message board before the bottom of the fifth inning. Nor were the post-seventh-game questions from the press about manager John McNamara's decision not to pinch-hit or bring in a defensive replacement for Buckner in Game 6.
 
We live in a county where, in most jurisdictions, they make you use a seat belt, possessing weed is illegal, there's mandatory trans-fat labelling, childhood fatassedness is rampant and ignored, and, to top it all, an acutely addictive drug is legal to purchase at virtually every minimart, convenience store, gas station, and supermarket in the nation.
That addictive drug is packaged, variously, in cancer inducing, cell damaging packaging, including, but not limited to, tobacco leaves, gum, vapor, patches, and the like.
The use of tobacco results in, approximately, one half a million deaths per year. Since the never-ending war on something or other began in 01, that means that about 9 million Americans have died from tobacco use.
Smoking related yearly costs are about 300 billion. That is likely an underestimate. Since 01, that is about 6 trillion, which, you'll note, is about the same as what is spent on the never ending war on something or other.

How is it possible that, in a country where there are thousands of images of violent gun deaths broadcast over TV and Internet media every day, but where the inclusion of an image of hooters or flaccid johnsons causes the populace to instantly lose its collective mind, there isn't the will to simply pass a one sentence law to make that abomination illegal?

Because, . . .

It's not about life. It's not about saving. It never has been. Never will be. It's the human condition, carved into our DNA, not subject to change without a concomitant change in DNA.
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Thanks for your interest in Bill Buckner.
 
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You inserted yourself into the conversation with ConnHusk. He wrote it was the greatest tragedy in the history of the city. Then you came up with the marathon bombing. Totally irrelevant to what he was responding to.
I promise you I had no problem comprehending his post.

Some people legit think a bombing which killed a few people is the biggest tragedy the city has ever seen. The city's response maybe led them to believe that, they shut down the entire friggin' city because of a 19 year old.
 
They wouldn't have had to admit it they were actively hating him until 04. You can't "forgive" if you've never hated in the first place which is why Deepster is wrong saying no one would admit to being an ass

I'm an ass once in a while, maybe even more than that to some. Heck so is Deepster, I admit that! ;)
 
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They should be more like the Mets and their fans how well they treated him. This before the exhibition game played at Shea in '87.

"Then Monday I agreed to do an interview for The NBC Nightly News, and all the guy kept asking me was, 'How can you look at yourself in the mirror? How can you face your teammates?' I went out for batting practice, and I thought one sign that said, 'Nice legs,' was funny, but when I got the standing ovation from the Mets' fans during the introductions, it wasn't so funny." Neither was the Mets' management's decision to replay the error on the Shea Stadium message board before the bottom of the fifth inning. Nor were the post-seventh-game questions from the press about manager John McNamara's decision not to pinch-hit or bring in a defensive replacement for Buckner in Game 6.
Wait, were you honestly expecting the winning team’s fans to give him a break? Especially Mets fans? Seriously?
Besides, we did the same thing to Mariano Rivera after he blew it for them in ‘04, right? The old everybody-does-it argument doesn’t wash. Fans can be brutal, and it’s not just Sox fans. Remember Bartman in Chicago had to go into hiding for years.,
 
Wait, were you honestly expecting the winning team’s fans to give him a break? Especially Mets fans? Seriously?
Besides, we did the same thing to Mariano Rivera after he blew it for them in ‘04, right? The old everybody-does-it argument doesn’t wash. Fans can be brutal, and it’s not just Sox fans. Remember Bartman in Chicago had to go into hiding for years.,
You’re correct but I just get the impression from reading these threads that the New York fans and especially Mets were all about being classy.
 
You’re correct but I just get the impression from reading these threads that the New York fans and especially Mets were all about being classy.

It doesn’t matter what any other team of their fans did. For this guy? The Sox fan base made his life hell. That’s just the fact.
 
I promise you I had no problem comprehending his post.

Some people legit think a bombing which killed a few people is the biggest tragedy the city has ever seen. The city's response maybe led them to believe that, they shut down the entire friggin' city because of a 19 year old.

Irrelevant to anything said in this thread since no one claimed otherwise.
 
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This is a perfect example of my point. It wasn't a few idiots. And now, realizing how bad that fanbase reacted, they try to distance themselves with the "it wasn't me!" angle. Bull. I've lived as a Mets fan in Red Sox country my whole life. It wasn't a few idiots.
Unless you were a Sox fan I don't think you could comprehend at the time how awful the 1986 loss was. And yet, despite that, the "fanbase" reacted days after the error by treating him like a King at the rally.
They reacted 4 years later by giving him a standing ovation when he returned to Boston as a player.
This idea that's out there that Sox fans have only been nice to him after 2004 is laughable.
Yes there were idiot fans out there as there are with every fanbase. No one denies that.
But I don't ever confuse all BY posters as dolts just because of the lazy contributions of people like yourself. That's not how it works.
 
Unless you were a Sox fan I don't think you could comprehend at the time how awful the 1986 loss was. And yet, despite that, the "fanbase" reacted days after the error by treating him like a King at the rally.
They reacted 4 years later by giving him a standing ovation when he returned to Boston as a player.
This idea that's out there that Sox fans have only been nice to him after 2004 is laughable.
Yes there were idiot fans out there as there are with every fanbase. No one denies that.
But I don't ever confuse all BY posters as dolts just because of the lazy contributions of people like yourself. That's not how it works.

As someone who lived in an area with those fans who felt impact of the series and play I feel it's somewhere between you and Deep. Deep may have an exaggeration on his end but I think you fall a bit short on the reaction from your fanbase. It was very disrespectful of a very good baseball player for a play that was never the sole reason they gagged.

Having said that your point of "every fanbase" in a situation so large, a play so huge is going to have it's idiots. My only point is ESPN using it in a lead to announce his passing and the Boston Globe also had it in the first paragraph announcing his passing. That's pure classless.
 
Unless you were a Sox fan I don't think you could comprehend at the time how awful the 1986 loss was. And yet, despite that, the "fanbase" reacted days after the error by treating him like a King at the rally.
They reacted 4 years later by giving him a standing ovation when he returned to Boston as a player.
This idea that's out there that Sox fans have only been nice to him after 2004 is laughable.
Yes there were idiot fans out there as there are with every fanbase. No one denies that.
But I don't ever confuse all BY posters as dolts just because of the lazy contributions of people like yourself. That's not how it works.

I'm a Mets and Jets fan. Don't lecture me about comprehending loss.

And I've heard plenty of negative reaction to Buckner this week at the water cooler. So let's not act like Sox Nation is warm and fuzzy now.
 
I'm a Mets and Jets fan. Don't lecture me about comprehending loss.

And I've heard plenty of negative reaction to Buckner this week at the water cooler. So let's not act like Sox Nation is warm and fuzzy now.

And let's not act like whoever you heard at the water cooler represents Red Sox Nation. There are good and bad fans of every team. No more or less so for the Sox than others. I live in Mass and have not encountered a single person who wasn't saddened by Bill Buck's passing and didn't express remorse for how he was initially treated in 86. Were some of those people the ones who treated him badly? Maybe. Who cares?
 
And let's not act like whoever you heard at the water cooler represents Red Sox Nation. There are good and bad fans of every team. No more or less so for the Sox than others. I live in Mass and have not encountered a single person who wasn't saddened by Bill Buck's passing and didn't express remorse for how he was initially treated in 86. Were some of those people the ones who treated him badly? Maybe. Who cares?

Hmmmm? Who cares? Maybe his family did and the fans sudden sadness means nothing at this point?
 
Well, this turned into a heck of a eulogy. :rolleyes:

When I remember Bill Buckner from his playing days, it is a picture taken from Fenway's third base photographer's well of him stumbling around second base with Claudell Washington's legs in the air behind the short right field fence on the only inside-the-park-homerun of his career.

The other thing I remember of him is how much he resembled my favorite player at the time, Dwight Evans.
 
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Hmmmm? Who cares? Maybe his family did and the fans sudden sadness means nothing at this point?

It isn't sudden. As others pointed out, he got a standing ovation in Fenway when he was still an active player. People make mistakes. Bill did, and the people who harshly criticized him and didn't let it go did. Acting like there is still some significant undercurrent of resentment of Buckner is ridiculous. It's long been gone except for a few morons. Hell, even given a week to reflect most of us put the loss on McNamara, Stanley and Calvin S.
 
It isn't sudden. As others pointed out, he got a standing ovation in Fenway when he was still an active player. People make mistakes. Bill did, and the people who harshly criticized him and didn't let it go did. Acting like there is still some significant undercurrent of resentment of Buckner is ridiculous. It's long been gone except for a few morons. Hell, even given a week to reflect most of us put the loss on McNamara, Stanley and Calvin S.

Standing ovation? Was that 2004 or after? Bill made a mistake? His error is not the same as people personally attacking him for doing something none of those idiots have done since a softball game or LL where they sucked anyway Hawk. Let's not throw Bills "mistake" in with the idiot fans "mistake."

Hey it's over is what it is. but it was awful for a very long time, really awful by a lot more than a "few".

I'm done he was a great baseball guy, player RIP Bill.
 
Anybody who felt the need to move from Mass. to Idaho to escape from idiotic fans who were harassing him, and even worse, his family, was obviously encountering more than a few classless fans. There were enough of them to prompt a cross country move, standing ovations notwithstanding.

If it weren't for the fact that there were more than a few of these knuckleheads, ESPN, et al. wouldn't be appealing to the lowest common denominator, in the disgraceful way they've emphasized front and center his one bad play on the biggest stage of his sport. Somebody at ESPN made the sad editorial decision to appeal to that element of the Red Sox fanbase, apparently because they think it resonates with those folks, who unfortunately are still out there in significant enough numbers, as far as ESPN is concerned.
 
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I'm a Mets and Jets fan. Don't lecture me about comprehending loss.

And I've heard plenty of negative reaction to Buckner this week at the water cooler. So let's not act like Sox Nation is warm and fuzzy now.


^^ There is no bar too low for this guy ^^
 
I'm not sure how concerned I am about opposing fans projecting how Red Sox fans should remember Bill Buckner.

Fans will be fans. A fair amount are knuckleheads, but their numbers pale in comparison to any team's overall fandom. Buckner himself said he had to forgive the media more than the fans in order to return for Opening Day, 2008. The media shapes the narrative for the outside sporting world. The vast majority of Red Sox fans (probably approaching 99.5% or higher) have nothing to be ashamed about. Much less so than the fans of other teams holding signs in the stands or on message boards listing Buckner among the Killer Bs. Don't see those signs or posts much anymore.

In regard to the Mets: With hindsight being 20/20 and all, I'll take the last 33 years as a Sox fan over the '86 World Series any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
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