Religion in football

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Not yet, but I would bet sometime in the near future someone will have an issue with it.

No different than this going on almost daily in our country

Let's ask Native Americans who aren't Christians what they think of Christians.

 

[Husky25]

Very different, actually. Those who recite the pledge feel that the Stars and Stripes represents an indivisible republic, with liberty and justice for all. Some believe it exists under God. Those who don't, are not required to say the words.

Those who say that phrase are not preaching and those who do not are not forced to pay homage to a deity in which they do not believe. The Pledge is not a religious practice per se, but I believe that the groups suing over the phrase, "under God," are in the wrong. They are trying to sensor the former's right to utter the words: "under God."

 

[uconnbill]

Let's ask Native Americans who aren't Christians what they think of Christians.

Changing the subject to what fit your agenda? You should ask them how they feel about your religion of peace instead.

 

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Changing the subject to what fit your agenda? You should ask them how they feel about your religion of peace instead.

Muslims were here before Christians. Guess who went on a murderous rampage? Look at who's whining like a victim, threatening civil war.

 

[Confident Carl]

You'd be very wrong to characterize all those who disagree with you, as atheisists. I realize it is needed to support your position, but you'd still be wrong.

The Freedom from Religion organization, an Ohio atheist watch dog group filed the complaint against Dabo Sweeny and Clemson. Organized watch dog groups such as that make trouble for people of Christian faith. Earnest Jones bolted after the Jesus in our huddle incident. I am fine with differences of opinion, it's the American way but some of these groups go too far,

 

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The Freedom from Religion organization, an Ohio atheist watch dog group filed the complaint against Dabo Sweeny and Clemson. Organized watch dog groups such as that make trouble for people of Christian faith. Earnest Jones bolted after the Jesus in our huddle incident. I am fine with differences of opinion, it's the American Way.

The irony in what you said is that there's been plenty of Christians who made/make trouble for people who think differently, period. Look at the land we are on. According to plenty of them, I am a devil-worshiper. Perhaps that's why these atheist watch dog groups are going nuts? Why should we shove Christianity down atheist throats or limit their options when places like Clemson are for all? What really is hard to understand about that?

 

[temery]

You should ask them how they feel about your religion of peace instead.

Nice. That's very Christian of you.

 

[temery]

Muslims were here before Christians. Guess who went on a murderous rampage? Look at who's whining like a victim, threatening civil war.

What?

 

[Confident Carl]

Let's get back to sports guys. I enjoy sports because they take me away from the insanity of this world. This thread is going in the wrong direction.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

I'm seeing the word "feel" in a lot of these posts, implying the coach has to cater to people's feelings.

Rule by emotion, that can't be good.

 

[SubbaBub]

Very different, actually. Those who recite the pledge feel that the Stars and Stripes represents an indivisible republic, with liberty and justice for all. Some believe it exists under God. Those who don't, are not required to say the words.

Those who say that phrase are not preaching and those who do not are not forced to pay homage to a deity in which they do not believe. The Pledge is not a religious practice per se, but I believe that the groups suing over the phrase, "under God," are in the wrong. They are trying to sensor the former's right to utter the words: "under God."

This has nothing to do with the subject and everything at the same time. But first a few ground rules.

The pledge is not a religious activity.

The words, "under God" were not part of the original pledge. They were added by the same people who would have been in Salem or around during the Inquisition. Looking to establish their views as the benchmark for legitimacy.

The idea of pledging allegiance with zero consequences, requirements or means of validation is the moronic puffery it appears to be. I mean I made my pledges daily as a kid, am I good? What's the expiration date? Can I renegotiate?

Now to the point, this look at me aren't I a great American because I drone though these words before the local PTA meeting is simply an exercise of power by the person putting it on the agenda. It has no bearing on the business of the day. Just like your religion has no bearing on the football field.

If a coach wants the teach the values of sacrifice, togetherness, respect, humility, etc. He can do so without bringing the icons and dogma of his particular faith into the discussion. This is what KO does and I assume Geno and Diaco.

Guys like Swinney, simply lack the vocabulary and imagination to use different words and keep Sunday Mass out of the locker room. It's not all that difficult a concept. People who think it's anti-religion or anti-Christian are missing the point. In America, a captive audience shouldn't be subjected to the personal religious tenets and rituals by authority figures. Nor should it be required directly or indirectly as a condition of participation. The First Amendment protects us from that kind of thing.

 

[Husky25]

This has nothing to do with the subject and everything at the same time. But first a few ground rules.

The pledge is not a religious activity.

The words, "under God" were not part of the original pledge. They were added by the same people who would have been in Salem or around during the Inquisition. Looking to establish their views as the benchmark for legitimacy.

The idea of pledging allegiance with zero consequences, requirements or means of validation is the moronic puffery it appears to be. I mean I made my pledges daily as a kid, am I good? What's the expiration date? Can I renegotiate?

Now to the point, this look at me aren't I a great American because I drone though these words before the local PTA meeting is simply an exercise of power by the person putting it on the agenda. It has no bearing on the business of the day. Just like your religion has no bearing on the football field.

If a coach wants the teach the values of sacrifice, togetherness, respect, humility, etc. He can do so without bringing the icons and dogma of his particular faith into the discussion. This is what KO does and I assume Geno and Diaco.

Guys like Swinney, simply lack the vocabulary and imagination to use different words and keep Sunday Mass out of the locker room. It's not all that difficult a concept. People who think it's anti-religion or anti-Christian are missing the point. In America, a captive audience shouldn't be subjected to the personal religious tenets and rituals by authority figures. Nor should it be required directly or indirectly as a condition of participation. The First Amendment protects us from that kind of thing.

Agreed...except:

"under God," was added to the pledge as the Cold War was ramping up by an act of Congress. It was meant to show "Freedoms" in the face of the atheist tenants of Communism.

I also said it "religiously" as part of the homeroom morning exercises. It was as regular as hanging up my coat and putting my Fall Guy lunch box on the shelf. The Pledge was the "I'm late" benchmark (through 8th grade). We also sang My Country 'Tis of Thee (less and less as voices changed), but this and The Pledge were just words. As we got older and into high school, this fact became more and more apparent. They would repeat the Pledge over the loud speaker every morning, but hardly anyone in my homeroom observed it.

When I go to Town Council Meetings, it is obviously that not everyone says the phrase. The volume is much lower for those two words than the rest of The Pledge, but there is room in the cadence to say it if you so choose. It is what it is, but saying, "under God" in the pledge has nothing to do with building religious retreats into methods of preparing a gameplan for North Carolina State.

 

[temery]

Agreed...except:

"under God," was added to the pledge as the Cold War was ramping up by an act of Congress. It was meant to show "Freedoms" in the face of the atheist tenants of Communism.

I also said it "religiously" as part of the homeroom morning exercises. It was as regular as hanging up my coat and putting my Fall Guy lunch box on the shelf. The Pledge was the "I'm late" benchmark (through 8th grade). We also sang My Country 'Tis of Thee (less and less as voices changed), but this and The Pledge were just words. As we got older and into high school, this fact became more and more apparent. They would repeat the Pledge over the loud speaker every morning, but hardly anyone in my homeroom observed it.

When I go to Town Council Meetings, it is obviously that not everyone says the phrase. The volume is much lower for those two words than the rest of The Pledge, but there is room in the cadence to say it if you so choose. It is what it is, but saying, "under God" in the pledge has nothing to do with building religious retreats into methods of preparing a gameplan for North Carolina State.

As a teacher, I am required by law to lead my class in the pledge. I also teach them the history of the pledge.

A pledge written by a socialist, including the "Nazi salute," intended to sell flags.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Muslims were here before Christians. Guess who went on a murderous rampage? Look at who's whining like a victim, threatening civil war.

Remember when you said you didn't start this thread to stir the pot? That may be the funniest post in these 3 pages.

 

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Remember when you said you didn't start this thread to stir the pot? That may be the funniest post in these 3 pages.

I don't care to stir a pot. But it sure is pretty sad how ethnocentric humans can get.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I was just responding to one person's posts because of his blind ethnocentrism. Glad that amused you.

Yeah but when you go off the deep end, you do it in full force.

As a side note, this thread is a great example of why I find the notion of organized religion to be one of the silliest concepts ever created by man.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I will paraphrase a great American and British thinkers and artists here and a wonderful philosophy.

I hereby place a curse upon all Cretins that assert that Americanism = Christianity, or that good fiscal practices = salvation, or that Armageddon is Ok because a Cretin's religion says that WE'RE going to Heaven and THEY'RE not. My humble curse: May your sh---t come to life and kiss you.

Brother Maynard, please bring out the Holy Hand Grenade from this discussion.

Consult the Book of Armaments. 1...2......FIVE!

 

[Adios]

Yeah but when you go off the deep end, you do it in full force.

As a side note, this thread is a great example of why I find the notion of organized religion to be one of the silliest concepts ever created by man.

I just stated simple facts. If that's a "deep end", no idea what to say. I've been into religions for fun since I was a kid. There's plenty to belief systems, how they came to be, etc.

 

[Carl Spackler]

One of the greatest passages ever written:



Armaments, Ch 2, vs. 9-21.

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large

And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being in my sight, shall snuff it.

 

[Confident Carl]

Have you read what this thread is about? Yours is the first post that mentions Ollie or the possibility of shuttering his faith. This thread has nothing to do with either. Different sport, different institution, Different region of the country, all.

Kevin Ollie and every openly Christian coach will have to use some discretion in their words and actions due to the same Athiest Watch Dog groups that went after Dabo Sweeny. Obviously Ollie is a great strategist, and will use discernment . He got to where he is by being the hard working great human being that he is. It seems to me that it would be difficult for him to change who he is. As much as we all love him and what he stands for, unfortunately there are those who feel the opposite. This thread has to do with any college coach at a state institution who exudes Christian values and who from time to time evokes the name of God. It is a reality of the times.

 

[SubbaBub]

Kevin Ollie and every openly Christian coach will have to use some discretion in their words and actions due to the same Athiest Watch Dog groups that went after Dabo Sweeny. Obviously Ollie is a great strategist, and will use discernment . He got to where he is by being the hard working great human being that he is. It seems to me that it would be difficult for him to change who he is. As much as we all love him and what he stands for, unfortunately there are those who feel the opposite. This thread has to do with any college coach at a state institution who exudes Christian values and who from time to time evokes the name of God. It is a reality of the times.

I think what's lost in this discussion is how incredibly easy it is to leave the preaching and ritual at the workplace door. There really is no excuse for intentionally integrating religion into an athletic program. It is in a word, unprofessional.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Kevin Ollie and every openly Christian coach will have to use some discretion in their words and actions due to the same Athiest Watch Dog groups that went after Dabo Sweeny. Obviously Ollie is a great strategist, and will use discernment . He got to where he is by being the hard working great human being that he is. It seems to me that it would be difficult for him to change who he is. As much as we all love him and what he stands for, unfortunately there are those who feel the opposite. This thread has to do with any college coach at a state institution who exudes Christian values and who from time to time evokes the name of God. It is a reality of the times.

So no matter how many times people post that what Kevin Ollie does is not the same as what Dabo does....you are still going to state that Ollie has to change? Ollie does not have to change anything he is doing. NO ONE has any issues with his beliefs and how he communicates his beliefs. Stop trying to make this issue broader than it is.

 

[Husky25]

Kevin Ollie and every openly Christian coach will have to use some discretion in their words and actions due to the same Athiest Watch Dog groups that went after Dabo Sweeny. Obviously Ollie is a great strategist, and will use discernment . He got to where he is by being the hard working great human being that he is. It seems to me that it would be difficult for him to change who he is. As much as we all love him and what he stands for, unfortunately there are those who feel the opposite. This thread has to do with any college coach at a state institution who exudes Christian values and who from time to time evokes the name of God. It is a reality of the times.

See above. I've tried (and thought I did), but can't say it any better than Shaky or Subba.

 

[Confident Carl]

So no matter how many times people post that what Kevin Ollie does is not the same as what Dabo does....you are still going to state that Ollie has to change? Ollie does not have to change anything he is doing. NO ONE has any issues with his beliefs and how he communicates his beliefs. Stop trying to make this issue broader than it is.

Not comparing Dabo to Ollie. The Jones situation is in recent memory that's all. To say NO ONE has issue with his beliefs is wishful thinking. People get upset with Nativity Scenes on town greens. I am on your side, trust me.

I am a huge John Wooden fan and these quotes below are the way I think Kevin Ollie leads:

During his life Wooden wrote that some Christians criticized him for not being more vocal about his faith. "I served as a basketball coach at a public institution; therefore I never felt it was appropriate. I always had a Bible on my desk and I intentionally led by example based on Christ's teaching."

Wooden continued, "Some evangelical Christians thought of me as liberal because they disagree with my decision to let my life speak for my faith. At the same time, liberals consider me to be way too conservative." He added, "I know you can't please everyone, so on this issue I haven't tried. I have only wanted to please God."

I think that pretty much sums it up. If Christian Coaches follow Wooden's example, they should be okay!

 

[babysheep]

Kevin Ollie and every openly Christian coach will have to use some discretion in their words and actions due to the same Athiest Watch Dog groups that went after Dabo Sweeny. Obviously Ollie is a great strategist, and will use discernment . He got to where he is by being the hard working great human being that he is. It seems to me that it would be difficult for him to change who he is. As much as we all love him and what he stands for, unfortunately there are those who feel the opposite. This thread has to do with any college coach at a state institution who exudes Christian values and who from time to time evokes the name of God. It is a reality of the times.

Got any public quotes from KO where he's directly speaking the name of the Christian god ? Because thanking "god" for something can mean almost anything.