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Regression is concerning

UCfor3 said:
He's had one class and those guys are freshman. He needs a legit chance with a legit roster of his players.
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And I said I’m willing to reserve judgment until next year. At that point, 2/3 of the roster should be his guys and the rubber will meet the road.
 
tentoes4rings said:
My point is the recruiting looks significantly better but until we see results on the court, it’s just that, what appears to be better recruiting. Ollie had a huge class in 16-17 but guys didn’t develop, or at least not while at UConn.
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The recruiting is better, but I still see a lack of pure shooting ability. Even USF today had a bench guy, unheralded, named Williams who is 50% on 3’s for the season and hit the open shots he had today. Sure, bring in athletes, but bring in athletes that can shoot.
 
This USF starting 5 is better than ours even without Yetna. Akok is better than their 4 and that’s it. Rideau is better than Gilbert. Collins better than Vital. Durr better than Carlton. Brown better Polley.

Only Akok would start for another major program right now out of the starters.
 
Candyman34 said:
This USF starting 5 is better than ours even without Yetna. Akok is better than their 4 and that’s it. Rideau is better than Gilbert. Collins better than Vital. Durr better than Carlton. Brown better Polley.

Only Akok would start for another major program right now out of the starters.
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Yep, yet people on here always think we have better talent than most of our opponents because of recruiting rankings from 3 or 4 years ago. We don't. We are undersized and underskilled plain and simple outside of a few freshman and those guys need muscle as well.
 
Guys, this will be a marathon not a sprint. What is with you guys who expected a complete turnaround in 1.25 years? We've got a long road back so settle in and recognize the small victories where we find them.
I'm looking for a .500 season, and with any luck an outside shot at the NIT. Anything else, is gravy.
 
Probably better to start moving Gilbert and Vital out of the rotation in favor of Bouknight and Gaffney. Odds are this team isn’t doing much even if the veterans play better. The experience the young guards will gain will be important going into next year.
 
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I’ll say it - Good recruits don’t go to programs that don’t win, that’s why a majority of guys are p!ssed on this forum- we’ll always get the B Adams until they start winning and making tournaments
 
tentoes4rings said:
Shocked that the game results under Hurley have been as bad if not possibly worse than under KO. $3 million should buy a lot better than we’ve been getting. I’ll temper my expectations for the remainder of the year and reserve judgment on him until he has more of his guys next year but this is deeply concerning.
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This comment and your handle is begging for an anti ko assault. Dig in. I have felt that there are a host of similarities in regards to coaching style.
 
nychuskyfan said:
I like our assistant coaches - they seem to be great recruiters and really solid guys. But do we need 3 great recruiters or could we live with one less in favor of a very strong Xs and Os / gameplan guy? With the exception of Tom Moore, who worked under the GOAT, it doesn’t look to me like anyone else has experience working under notable coaches.

Love Hurley but he’s relatively young himself and I think we’ve seen enough that’s it’s fair to ask the question - not as a criticism of our existing coaches but more about allocation of resources. Even JC had a George Blaney.

I think Geno would be ideal for this (kidding - is too soon after a bad loss?)
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Well said. Remember the Larry brown rumor for ollie. I’d take him for dan fo sho. How bout his old man?
 
Hoops91 said:
I’ll say it - Good recruits don’t go to programs that don’t win, that’s why a majority of guys are p!ssed on this forum- we’ll always get the B Adams until they start winning and making tournaments
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And programs don't win until they get good recruits. If you don't think Akok, Bouk, Jackson are good recruits then your expectations are way too high.
 
Ts5034 said:
I think Akok and Bouknight, even Gaffney are progressing. Those are Hurley’s guys and thats a good sign that his recruits are getting better.
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I think something to consider regarding progress is that is is not always a straight line. Regarding player improvement, there has been plenty. Gaffney, Akok, Polley(minus last game or two), Vital (a bit more efficient this year), especially Brendan Adams and wasn't Carlton last years most improved player in the AAC? Carlton has regressed quite a bit this year - but the season isn't over, he appears to be a good kid and not afraid of work, it is not too late for him to turn it around. It is concerning and discouraging to see the recent play but... There are ups and downs in a rebuild and this is a major rebuild. It might not be popular but a REALISTIC goal for this season would be a few wins in the NIT and then build upon that.
 
tentoes4rings said:
You have to figure KO is laughing hysterically now. What bothers me is all the references Hurley made the past two years to losing habits and rebuilding this program but as of now that was all just taking swipes at the previous guy with no evidence beyond the appearance of better recruiting to back it up.
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Ko had A bad retention year not a bad recruiting year. This junior class was assembled three hours before opening tip off of 17-18 season as he lost his #5 class for a bunch of reasons most of his own doing. But he recruited pretty well.
 
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WlfdHusky said:
I think something to consider regarding progress is that is is not always a straight line. Regarding player improvement, there has been plenty. Gaffney, Akok, Polley(minus last game or two), Vital (a bit more efficient this year), especially Brendan Adams and wasn't Carlton last years most improved player in the AAC? Carlton has regressed quite a bit this year - but the season isn't over, he appears to be a good kid and not afraid of work, it is not too late for him to turn it around. It is concerning and discouraging to see the recent play but... There are ups and downs in a rebuild and this is a major rebuild. It might not be popular but a REALISTIC goal for this season would be a few wins in the NIT and then build upon that.
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I'll happily eat my hat if we make the NIT this year. If we finish above .500 I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
WlfdHusky said:
I think something to consider regarding progress is that is is not always a straight line. Regarding player improvement, there has been plenty. Gaffney, Akok, Polley(minus last game or two), Vital (a bit more efficient this year), especially Brendan Adams and wasn't Carlton last years most improved player in the AAC? Carlton has regressed quite a bit this year - but the season isn't over, he appears to be a good kid and not afraid of work, it is not too late for him to turn it around. It is concerning and discouraging to see the recent play but... There are ups and downs in a rebuild and this is a major rebuild. It might not be popular but a REALISTIC goal for this season would be a few wins in the NIT and then build upon that.
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What if we finish below .500 and see no nit? This is the fear I think we all have. The dance was always going to be a great accomplishment for the whole program the NIT was seen as real progress and very gettable. This week just feels way to familiar and a board filled with Mets, giants,jets,knicks,and nets fans know the evil grip of gloom and doom all to well. Let’s hope AD DB has a convo with the staff to get some energy going and find a way to play gutsy and hard the rest of the way. I don’t care about next year the year after whose players are whose culture or anything else except this program playing hard. That is what JC brought to us.
 
UConnSwag11 said:
We need a big who we can dump the ball into and he can score reliable or pass out of a double. Would like to see akok post up and shoot over his defender
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Whaley threw the best alley oop this year. Just saying.
 
Dean Wormer said:
Guys, this will be a marathon not a sprint. What is with you guys who expected a complete turnaround in 1.25 years? We've got a long road back so settle in and recognize the small victories where we find them.
I'm looking for a .500 season, and with any luck an outside shot at the NIT. Anything else, is gravy.
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Is beating a bad 7-7 USF team a complete turnaround? Even 1 1/3 seasons into Hurley’s second season, If we can’t have expectations to beat teams like this then our program is in a scary state.
 
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UCfor3 said:
And programs don't win until they get good recruits. If you don't think Akok, Bouk, Jackson are good recruits then your expectations are way too high.
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UCfor3 said:
And programs don't win until they get good recruits. If you don't think Akok, Bouk, Jackson are good recruits then your expectations are way too high.
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My expectations are to get the Ray Allen’s, Rudy Gays and Emeka Okafurs
 
Neither of UConn's first two AAC games were competitive in the second half.
 
tentoes4rings said:
Is beating a bad 7-7 USF team a complete turnaround? Even 1 1/3 seasons into Hurley’s second season, If we can’t have expectations to beat teams like this then our program is in a scary state.
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Beating USF is certainly a realistic expectation; at the very least, competing against them. Those are reasonable goals at this stage. Getting blown out by them is not, which is why this is so frustrating. It was evident to me by watching the game today that the team was lacking the hunger to compete and win, and just didn't seem to be locked in, which was surprising coming off a lackluster effort against Cincinnati. It is a coach's job to prepare a team, and to some extent to motivate them, but they need to go out onto the floor, play with intensity, and execute. They have to want it. I just didn't see that today and I didn't see it against Cincinnati either. Beating Indiana and Xavier were not expected and would have been bonuses, but they fell slightly short in those cases. I think it's a mistake to make a broad assessment when in the midst of a slump. We need to look at the bigger picture here, at what got us excited earlier in the season and understand this is that same (flawed) team, capable of some impressive wins as well as some disappointing losses.
 
Hoops91 said:
My expectations are to get the Ray Allen’s, Rudy Gays and Emeka Okafurs
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You have to walk before you can run. We got those guys when we were at our peak as a program. Emeka wasn't rated that high, but in todays world with so much more exposure, he would be more sought after than he was then. Regardless, Emeka is the exception not the rule.
 
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tentoes4rings said:
Is beating a bad 7-7 USF team a complete turnaround? Even 1 1/3 seasons into Hurley’s second season, If we can’t have expectations to beat teams like this then our program is in a scary state.
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Simply put I refuse to judge the season a .25 of the way through. If we're getting blown out all year long by teams like USF, then yeah, I'll be more concerned. But what we have right now is a relatively small sample of a young team that's transitioning to one hand-picked by Hurley.
I love Gaff, Bouk, and Akok. We're getting Dre Jackson on a team next year that'll be a year older, and ready for the NBE wars. Call me an optimist but I see a bright future ahead!
 
Dean Wormer said:
Simply put I refuse to judge the season a .25 of the way through. If we're getting blown out all year long by teams like USF, then yeah, I'll be more concerned. But what we have right now is a relatively small sample of a young team that's transitioning to one hand-picked by Hurley.
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The team is 9-5 so they've played just about half the season. What is a big enough sample size to know what the team is?
 
Dean Wormer said:
Simply put I refuse to judge the season a .25 of the way through. If we're getting blown out all year long by teams like USF, then yeah, I'll be more concerned. But what we have right now is a relatively small sample of a young team that's transitioning to one hand-picked by Hurley.
I love Gaff, Bouk, and Akok. We're getting Dre Jackson on a team next year that'll be a year older, and ready for the NBE wars. Call me an optimist but I see a bright future ahead!
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I’m not sure why some of you are saying 1.25 seasons into Hurley’s tenure. They’ve played 14 of 31 games this season so after one more game it will be 1.5 seasons. I applaud the optimism and agree Hurley needs more time with mostly his guys before receiving an accurate report card. Until that time, I expect to see the team play a lot more competitively than they have recently.
 
BlueDogs said:
That’s what scares me. I’m not seeing the player or team development. I’m seeing regression. You keep losing in the Big East and we could be in a perpetual hole.
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The lack of development is a concern. Somehow Dan is not reaching the veterans and the young kids can’t do it alone. This is a real crisis and how Dan responds will define his early years at Uconn. I’m behind him all the way but couldn’t tell him how to pull it off.
 
LIuconn said:
Our best athletes are bean poles. We need some serious girth. Length and width that can jump. We’re getting manhandled
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Adding 25Lbs to Carlton is working out well.
He was 21-10 in his last AAC game last year . Think we will see that this year.
 
tentoes4rings said:
losing habits
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Sadly, this continues to exist dating back to 2014 or maybe even Lamb's soph. yr 2012-13. I welcome any and all of Coach Calhoun's input and all bets should be off in terms of recruiting so that we place a stranglehold on the tri-state and all of New England.
 
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