Reggie Miller is better than Steph Curry

[Deepster]

Here are their first 11 seasons.

	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	TOV	PTS
Curry	699	693	23,998	5682	11,931	47.6%	2,495	5,739	43.5%	3,187	6,192	51.5%	2,560	2,827	90.6%	490	2,668	3,158	4,621	1,205	2,179	16,419
Miller	882	797	30,299	5695	11,748	47.1%	1,596	3,950	39.5%	4,099	7,798	51.6%	4,416	5,037	88.8%	690	2,098	2,788	2,764	1,037	1,740	17,402

So, it's still not arguable that Miller is better when the era is so much more offensive minded now and Reggie played more minutes and scored more points, same shooting %'s from 2, Total and FT.

Oh, and Reggie played 7 more seasons and ended up with 25,279 pts total.

 

[navery12]

It's funny seeing how much the conversation with Reggie changes when he's being compared to Steph compared to a week ago when he was being compared to Ray Allen

 

[BlueMAB]

Here are their first 11 seasons.

	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	TOV	PTS
Curry	699	693	23,998	5682	11,931	47.6%	2,495	5,739	43.5%	3,187	6,192	51.5%	2,560	2,827	90.6%	490	2,668	3,158	4,621	1,205	2,179	16,419
Miller	882	797	30,299	5695	11,748	47.1%	1,596	3,950	39.5%	4,099	7,798	51.6%	4,416	5,037	88.8%	690	2,098	2,788	2,764	1,037	1,740	17,402

So, it's still not arguable that Miller is better when the era is so much more offensive minded now and Reggie played more minutes and scored more points, same shooting %'s from 2, Total and FT.

Oh, and Reggie played 7 more seasons and ended up with 25,279 pts total.

No credit for Curry's additional 1,857 assists, netting at least 3,714 more points (if they were all 2 pts - and we know they weren't)?

You'd expect Reggie to score more points, he was a SG not a PG, and his PG was not known for scoring.

You'd expect Curry to have more assists and turnovers, he's a PG.

If you're going to give Reggie the nod because he scored more points, it's only fair to credit Curry for the additional assists. Fact is when you do, Curry's play resulted in more points. Curry had more TOs (he's a PG) but he's also got more steals and rebounds.

I love Reggie for what he did to the Knicks, but Curry is the better overall player.

 

[Deepster]

No credit for Curry's additional 1,857 assists, netting at least 3,714 more points (if they were all 2 pts - and we know they weren't).

You'd expect Reggie to score more points, he was a SG not a PG, and his PG was not known for scoring.

You'd expect Curry to have more assists, he's a PG.

If you're going to give Reggie the nod because he scored more points, it's only fair to credit Curry for the additional assists. Fact is when you do, Curry's play resulted in more points. Curry had more TOs (he's a PG) but he's also got more steals and rebounds.

I love Reggie for what he did to the Knicks, but Curry is the better overall player.

Is it fair to give him that much more credit on the assists? He's throwing the ball to Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. I'd expect his assist totals to be greater. No?

 

[BlueMAB]

Is it fair to give him that much more credit on the assists? He's throwing the ball to Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. I'd expect his assist totals to be greater. No?

Well, yeah, he's a point guard, but he can't help that he was on a better team. Yes, his assist totals should be higher, I literally wrote that.

But by the same logic, Miller's point totals should be higher because his job was to score, not distribute and score.

And Curry has more rebounds and steals.

 

[intlzncster]

What separates Steph for Reggie or Ray or any other great shooter before him is his ability to create his own 3PT looks. Previous guys relied on screens or finding openings in transition for the most part (and some PnR). Steph started doing things beyond the arc that no one else ever did. He changed the game.

That's why he's a way better 3pt shooter than even Ray. Nobody can get their shot off as quickly as Steph off the dribble. And very, very few guys who can hit a 3 have the handle to create shots in as wide a variety of manners as Steph.

Steph is also a far superior passer/ballhandler/playmaker.

And this.

 

[Husky68]

Thinking back to style of play, back in 1969 was at Fort Gordon (but lived in South Carolina) and one of few things got on tv was BB and saw several game with Charlie Scott from North Carolina. Kid averaged over 25 pts. a game and before 3 point line shot from Curry range. Had a pretty good NBA career but was not that long (not sure if got hurt). Now that was a shooter from deep before shooting from deep was an advantage, or even acceptable. Remember thinking, this kid is shooting from "trick shot" range and making them!

 

[KingAG]

Reggie Miller is not better than Steph Curry..........at anything. WTH are you talking about. A Reggie vs Klay would be a more interesting debate

 

[superjohn]

Here are their first 11 seasons.

	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	TOV	PTS
Curry	699	693	23,998	5682	11,931	47.6%	2,495	5,739	43.5%	3,187	6,192	51.5%	2,560	2,827	90.6%	490	2,668	3,158	4,621	1,205	2,179	16,419
Miller	882	797	30,299	5695	11,748	47.1%	1,596	3,950	39.5%	4,099	7,798	51.6%	4,416	5,037	88.8%	690	2,098	2,788	2,764	1,037	1,740	17,402

So, it's still not arguable that Miller is better when the era is so much more offensive minded now and Reggie played more minutes and scored more points, same shooting %'s from 2, Total and FT.

Oh, and Reggie played 7 more seasons and ended up with 25,279 pts total.

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

 

[navery12]

Is it fair to give him that much more credit on the assists? He's throwing the ball to Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. I'd expect his assist totals to be greater. No?

Do you mean greater than Miller or he should have even more assists than he does?

 

[KingAG]

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

And he made over 1,000 more 3p in 200+ less games lmao

 

[UKemba15]

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

 

[Deepster]

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

Steph averaged 4 ppg more -- What is the average score of an NBA game from those two eras. 4 pts is negligible when you're playing 94-88 games instead of 143-140.

3.5 assists more per game - We already discussed this. He's a PG.

shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe - Is that really a dealbreaker here? If so, you can look forward to the remainder of Miller's career and postulate Curry would be lucky to duplicate that.

Won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's - Fair point.

Won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0 - Curry never had Jordan in front of him.

I think a couple points are decent here...but overall, a thin argument. And again, Curry has work to do if he's going to take that team and his ailing body to another 10,000 pts.

 

[BlueMAB]

3.5 assists more per game - We already discussed this. He's a PG.

Why is it important that Reggie scored more points when his only job on offense was to score?

But not important that Curry's shooting and passing led to (a lot) more points when his job is to both score and distribute to others in scoring position?

I know why, but an honest debate would require you to acknowledge it.

If you want to argue that Miller is a better shooting guard, okay fine.

He's not a better player. He's not better at SG than Curry is at PG.

 

[McLovin]

Crazy (but not surprising) that nearly 50% of all Steph's career field goal attempts are 3 pointers. I think that's the most interesting part of this thread IMO.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Lawrence Taylor was the GOAT. Why, because he changed the game on both offense and defense. Joe Gibbs introduced the 2 Tight End offense to cope with LT.
Steph Curry is the best shooter of all time. Why, because he ushered in a whole new era of basketball where teams have to pick guys up from half-court. Normal defenses no longer worked when Curry was in the game. He more than anyone before changed the NBA into a shooters league.
Reggie Miller? Great great player, but he was no Steph Curry.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Man there are some BRUTAL takes ITT. Good lord.

 

[Kenny11]

Curry is more skilled, especially with the ball in his hands..but most of us, even if we played 10-15 years ago could not imagine taking the shots at Steph takes because coaches would pull you and not play you again..in some cases, even if you made it. Shooters are much better now, but part of that is because they have been empowered by coaches finally. There have always been some great shooters with range but they wouldn't have the audacity to take contested 30 footers off the dribble.

 

[KingAG]

Curry is more skilled, especially with the ball in his hands..but most of us, even if we played 10-15 years ago could not imagine taking the shots at Steph takes because coaches would pull you and not play you again..in some cases, even if you made it. Shooters are much better now, but part of that is because they have been empowered by coaches finally. There have always been some great shooters with range but they wouldn't have the audacity to take contested 30 footers off the dribble.

I think Steph and to a lesser extent guys like Jimmer created that freedom. Steph made it a good shot. Because it’s still a bad shot for 95% of ball players

 

[Huskyforlife]

Lmao

 

[BleedHuskyBlu]

And Steve Kerr would be James Harden if he played in this era.

The hate that this era of players get from Old folks is too disrespectful. Steph is 10X better and even Reggie Miller or Ray Allen and they probably would admit that.

 

[Deepster]

And Steve Kerr would be James Harden if he played in this era.

The hate that this era of players get from Old folks is too disrespectful. Steph is 10X better and even Reggie Miller or Ray Allen and they probably would admit that.

Two things.....

1) The difference in comparing the players from different eras is....older people have actually seen the careers of both in real time. I wonder how many posters taking Curry's side actually even saw Reggie live once. I used to stay up late in college watching him with Pooh Richardson at PG.

2) I have other opinions taking the other side. I felt like Karl Malone looked stiff and immobile and wondered how the hell he was ever "that good". Dr J was my idol growing up, but I don't know that I'd put him in the top 25 players of all time anymore? I'd have to really think about it.

 

[mauconnfan]

And Steve Kerr would be James Harden if he played in this era.

The hate that this era of players get from Old folks is too disrespectful. Steph is 10X better and even Reggie Miller or Ray Allen and they probably would admit that.

Steph would've been Steph 20-30 years ago and Reggie could be the same now. Stephs a better player overall no matter how old you are but it's a tough comparison due to different positions. But to blame age on it then spew "10X better" tells us the 12 year olds are TOO respectful for todays players.

 

[Excalibur]

I wonder how many posters taking Curry's side actually even saw Reggie live once.

Being 43, I saw him plenty. There's no reasonable argument that Miller is better.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Two things.....

1) The difference in comparing the players from different eras is....older people have actually seen the careers of both in real time. I wonder how many posters taking Curry's side actually even saw Reggie live once. I used to stay up late in college watching him with Pooh Richardson at PG.

2) I have other opinions taking the other side. I felt like Karl Malone looked stiff and immobile and wondered how the hell he was ever "that good". Dr J was my idol growing up, but I don't know that I'd put him in the top 25 players of all time anymore? I'd have to really think about it.

One player who’s never gotten the credit he’s deserved has always been Tim Duncan. He’s the only guy I’d put ahead of the Mailman at the power forward position all-time.
And I also remember Reggie at UCLA, back when he was known as nothing more than Cheryl Miller’s little brother. No knock on him but he’s never been as good as Steph Curry. Just never.

 

[Chin Diesel]

One player who’s never gotten the credit he’s deserved has always been Tim Duncan. He’s the only guy I’d put ahead of the Mailman at the power forward position all-time.
And I also remember Reggie at UCLA, back when he was known as nothing more than Cheryl Miller’s little brother. No knock on him but he’s never been as good as Steph Curry. Just never.

I think Timmy is slotted correctly in the bottom half of top ten all-time and as the #1 PF on the list.
Once you get inside the top 7 or 8 you are talking transcendent talent that changed the way the game was thought possible.
Love me some Big Fundamental but he didn't revolutionize anything; he perfected the back to the basket 4/5.

 

[Dean Wormer]

I think Timmy is slotted correctly in the bottom half of top ten all-time and as the #1 PF on the list.
Once you get inside the top 7 or 8 you are talking transcendent talent that changed the way the game was thought possible.
Love me some Big Fundamental but he didn't revolutionize anything; he perfected the back to the basket 4/5.

Kobe once described studying Duncan’s game when the Lakers were looking for ways to defend him. He said Duncan was the guy who would do everything “right”. If the play called for a bounce pass to the corner, or a rebound outlet, or a block out on a missed shot, Tim-aaay would always make the correct play. So as a defender you’d have to anticipate more then with any other player and think “where is the next pass gonna go to make this the best play”? He said very few players could think like that, all game, every game, and that’s what made him different.
He wasn’t called “The Big Fundamental” for nothing! Lol

 

[Lefty2one]

The difference in comparing the players from different eras is....older people have actually seen the careers of both in real time. I wonder how many posters taking Curry's side actually even saw Reggie live once.

This thread is littered with older posters, including myself, who have been supporting MJ and a slew of 90s guys (and the era in general) in the other two busy threads in here over the last two weeks. Most of us have liked/agreed on many posts you've made in those threads. All of us saw Reggie play. None of us are agreeing with you on this topic and that should tell you something.

I've been a Knicks fan for three decades. I saw all of Reggie's big moments live. Reggie was a gnat. An annoying kid brother who punched above his weight class. He was a good player who could get ridiculous hot at times. He was probably the streakiest player of the 90s but he was clearly a tier below the best players of his day.

As I've said many times over the past few weeks, Reggie was one of those few guys who had zero expectations. It was fun when he exceeded them and challenged the best teams of that era but no one batted an eye or gave him any flack when he came up short because everyone knew he wasn't that good. This was not a case of a superstar carrying a subpar supporting cast.

 

[UConn990411]

I’m not sure there’s a single thing Reggie was better at than Curry. Steph has him beat in every statistical category across the board including:

• Better shooting percentages across the boa
• Better regular season numbers
• Better playoff numbers
• Better from an advanced stats perspective
• Better per 36
• More individual accolades and NBA all-team selections
• More team success

Reggie was only really great at shooting and scoring, and Curry is better in both aspects. Part of that is volume - overall shots and 3-pointers are higher these days compared to Reggie’s era - but the fact that Curry’s percentages are better despite higher volume makes it clear who the better shooter is/was.

You might be able to make an argument for Reggie over Ray (though I certainly wouldn’t), but Curry blew past him as a player years ago.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Now I'm actually curious @Deepster , is Reggie in your top 10? 15? Where is Curry on your all time players list?