Reggie Miller is better than Steph Curry

[superjohn]

I'll split some hairs.

Better shooter? You can debate it. Raw numbers favor Steph across the board.
Better clutch shooter? You can debate it. Both have some big ones; Reggie probably has more iconic clutch shots but Steph has hit some biggies.
Better playmaker? Not even close. Steph is miles ahead creating for himself and distributing to others. Reggie never developed in to a drive and dish player.
Better defender? Neither one is known for their defense.

Overall, I don't think it's close. Steph is a better all around player and has had much more ball handling responsibility.

It's not close at all, this is a terrible thread.

 

[Deepster]

So is tracy mcgrady the best player of all time?

The OP lists out an opinion about Curry's "difficulty" in shot selection. I merely countered that Miller is no slouch. Not sure how you leaped to your statement from that.

 

[Lefty2one]

If you don't think Reggie Miller ever buried step back 26 footers, you never watched Reggie Miller.

Reggie occasionally took those shots but not after dribbling all over the court, navigating PnRs. Steph takes several of those shots on a nightly basis.

Again, this isn't a hot take. Watch any of the interviews on Steph's impact on the game and they all talk about his 3PT shooting off the dribble and the difficulty of his shots. I'm not even bringing a "take" here, I'm parroting (though agreeing) what damn near everyone says.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Nostalgia has taken over people’s brains. Reggie Miller is not better than Steph Curry. That’s just silly.

 

[BlueMAB]

In a pick-up game who do I choose? Seth hands down - you get more out of him.

You say it's a ridiculous argument....then your counterpoint is who you'd take in a pickup game?

He didn't even pick the right Curry brother.

 

[Deepster]

Here are their first 11 seasons.

	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	TOV	PTS
Curry	699	693	23,998	5682	11,931	47.6%	2,495	5,739	43.5%	3,187	6,192	51.5%	2,560	2,827	90.6%	490	2,668	3,158	4,621	1,205	2,179	16,419
Miller	882	797	30,299	5695	11,748	47.1%	1,596	3,950	39.5%	4,099	7,798	51.6%	4,416	5,037	88.8%	690	2,098	2,788	2,764	1,037	1,740	17,402

So, it's still not arguable that Miller is better when the era is so much more offensive minded now and Reggie played more minutes and scored more points, same shooting %'s from 2, Total and FT.

Oh, and Reggie played 7 more seasons and ended up with 25,279 pts total.

 

[navery12]

It's funny seeing how much the conversation with Reggie changes when he's being compared to Steph compared to a week ago when he was being compared to Ray Allen

 

[BlueMAB]

Here are their first 11 seasons.

	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	TOV	PTS
Curry	699	693	23,998	5682	11,931	47.6%	2,495	5,739	43.5%	3,187	6,192	51.5%	2,560	2,827	90.6%	490	2,668	3,158	4,621	1,205	2,179	16,419
Miller	882	797	30,299	5695	11,748	47.1%	1,596	3,950	39.5%	4,099	7,798	51.6%	4,416	5,037	88.8%	690	2,098	2,788	2,764	1,037	1,740	17,402

So, it's still not arguable that Miller is better when the era is so much more offensive minded now and Reggie played more minutes and scored more points, same shooting %'s from 2, Total and FT.

Oh, and Reggie played 7 more seasons and ended up with 25,279 pts total.

No credit for Curry's additional 1,857 assists, netting at least 3,714 more points (if they were all 2 pts - and we know they weren't)?

You'd expect Reggie to score more points, he was a SG not a PG, and his PG was not known for scoring.

You'd expect Curry to have more assists and turnovers, he's a PG.

If you're going to give Reggie the nod because he scored more points, it's only fair to credit Curry for the additional assists. Fact is when you do, Curry's play resulted in more points. Curry had more TOs (he's a PG) but he's also got more steals and rebounds.

I love Reggie for what he did to the Knicks, but Curry is the better overall player.

 

[Deepster]

No credit for Curry's additional 1,857 assists, netting at least 3,714 more points (if they were all 2 pts - and we know they weren't).

You'd expect Reggie to score more points, he was a SG not a PG, and his PG was not known for scoring.

You'd expect Curry to have more assists, he's a PG.

If you're going to give Reggie the nod because he scored more points, it's only fair to credit Curry for the additional assists. Fact is when you do, Curry's play resulted in more points. Curry had more TOs (he's a PG) but he's also got more steals and rebounds.

I love Reggie for what he did to the Knicks, but Curry is the better overall player.

Is it fair to give him that much more credit on the assists? He's throwing the ball to Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. I'd expect his assist totals to be greater. No?

 

[BlueMAB]

Is it fair to give him that much more credit on the assists? He's throwing the ball to Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. I'd expect his assist totals to be greater. No?

Well, yeah, he's a point guard, but he can't help that he was on a better team. Yes, his assist totals should be higher, I literally wrote that.

But by the same logic, Miller's point totals should be higher because his job was to score, not distribute and score.

And Curry has more rebounds and steals.

 

[intlzncster]

What separates Steph for Reggie or Ray or any other great shooter before him is his ability to create his own 3PT looks. Previous guys relied on screens or finding openings in transition for the most part (and some PnR). Steph started doing things beyond the arc that no one else ever did. He changed the game.

That's why he's a way better 3pt shooter than even Ray. Nobody can get their shot off as quickly as Steph off the dribble. And very, very few guys who can hit a 3 have the handle to create shots in as wide a variety of manners as Steph.

Steph is also a far superior passer/ballhandler/playmaker.

And this.

 

[Husky68]

Thinking back to style of play, back in 1969 was at Fort Gordon (but lived in South Carolina) and one of few things got on tv was BB and saw several game with Charlie Scott from North Carolina. Kid averaged over 25 pts. a game and before 3 point line shot from Curry range. Had a pretty good NBA career but was not that long (not sure if got hurt). Now that was a shooter from deep before shooting from deep was an advantage, or even acceptable. Remember thinking, this kid is shooting from "trick shot" range and making them!

 

[AntG168]

Reggie Miller is not better than Steph Curry..........at anything. WTH are you talking about. A Reggie vs Klay would be a more interesting debate

 

[superjohn]

Here are their first 11 seasons.

	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	TOV	PTS
Curry	699	693	23,998	5682	11,931	47.6%	2,495	5,739	43.5%	3,187	6,192	51.5%	2,560	2,827	90.6%	490	2,668	3,158	4,621	1,205	2,179	16,419
Miller	882	797	30,299	5695	11,748	47.1%	1,596	3,950	39.5%	4,099	7,798	51.6%	4,416	5,037	88.8%	690	2,098	2,788	2,764	1,037	1,740	17,402

So, it's still not arguable that Miller is better when the era is so much more offensive minded now and Reggie played more minutes and scored more points, same shooting %'s from 2, Total and FT.

Oh, and Reggie played 7 more seasons and ended up with 25,279 pts total.

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

 

[navery12]

Is it fair to give him that much more credit on the assists? He's throwing the ball to Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson. I'd expect his assist totals to be greater. No?

Do you mean greater than Miller or he should have even more assists than he does?

 

[AntG168]

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

And he made over 1,000 more 3p in 200+ less games lmao

 

[UKemba15]

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

 

[Deepster]

So during that 11 year stretch Steph averaged 4 ppg more, 3.5 assists more per game, averaged 1.4 more rbs, shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe, won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's, won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0, Steph had 3 all-nba first team to Reggie 0 all-nba first team, Steph 2 all-nba second team to Reggie 0 all-nba second team.

You're right, Reggie was clearly better than Steph.

Steph averaged 4 ppg more -- What is the average score of an NBA game from those two eras. 4 pts is negligible when you're playing 94-88 games instead of 143-140.

3.5 assists more per game - We already discussed this. He's a PG.

shot 4% better from three, shot 2% better from the stripe - Is that really a dealbreaker here? If so, you can look forward to the remainder of Miller's career and postulate Curry would be lucky to duplicate that.

Won 2 MVP's to Reggie's 0 MVP's - Fair point.

Won 3 nba championships to Reggie's 0 - Curry never had Jordan in front of him.

I think a couple points are decent here...but overall, a thin argument. And again, Curry has work to do if he's going to take that team and his ailing body to another 10,000 pts.

 

[BlueMAB]

3.5 assists more per game - We already discussed this. He's a PG.

Why is it important that Reggie scored more points when his only job on offense was to score?

But not important that Curry's shooting and passing led to (a lot) more points when his job is to both score and distribute to others in scoring position?

I know why, but an honest debate would require you to acknowledge it.

If you want to argue that Miller is a better shooting guard, okay fine.

He's not a better player. He's not better at SG than Curry is at PG.

 

[McLovin]

Crazy (but not surprising) that nearly 50% of all Steph's career field goal attempts are 3 pointers. I think that's the most interesting part of this thread IMO.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Lawrence Taylor was the GOAT. Why, because he changed the game on both offense and defense. Joe Gibbs introduced the 2 Tight End offense to cope with LT.
Steph Curry is the best shooter of all time. Why, because he ushered in a whole new era of basketball where teams have to pick guys up from half-court. Normal defenses no longer worked when Curry was in the game. He more than anyone before changed the NBA into a shooters league.
Reggie Miller? Great great player, but he was no Steph Curry.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Man there are some BRUTAL takes ITT. Good lord.

 

[Kenny11]

Curry is more skilled, especially with the ball in his hands..but most of us, even if we played 10-15 years ago could not imagine taking the shots at Steph takes because coaches would pull you and not play you again..in some cases, even if you made it. Shooters are much better now, but part of that is because they have been empowered by coaches finally. There have always been some great shooters with range but they wouldn't have the audacity to take contested 30 footers off the dribble.

 

[AntG168]

Curry is more skilled, especially with the ball in his hands..but most of us, even if we played 10-15 years ago could not imagine taking the shots at Steph takes because coaches would pull you and not play you again..in some cases, even if you made it. Shooters are much better now, but part of that is because they have been empowered by coaches finally. There have always been some great shooters with range but they wouldn't have the audacity to take contested 30 footers off the dribble.

I think Steph and to a lesser extent guys like Jimmer created that freedom. Steph made it a good shot. Because it’s still a bad shot for 95% of ball players

 

[Huskyforlife]

Lmao