Recruiting Transfers - March

[krinklecut]

What is college basketball? What kind of question is that?

uhm...context?


"this isn't sustainable for college basketball." I'm clearly asking what college basketball is in this context. because saying college basketball will cease to exist with this rule in place is absurd.

 

[superjohn]

uhm...context?


"this isn't sustainable for college basketball." I'm clearly asking what college basketball is in this context. because saying college basketball will cease to exist with this rule in place is absurd.

I'm saying I don't think this is sustainable for college basketball and I think it will need to be changed again in the future.

 

[gampelcrazies]

Paying players and instant transfers are going to kill the sport. The major programs will be fine but everyone else will take a huge hit.

 

[the Q]

If it's not possible to have college basketball without being unfair to the players, then maybe that's wrong and it's okay for it to change.

Define unfair when they get compensated hundreds of thousands of dollars and not pay taxes on it.

Plus free food and training from elite coaches. They are not unpaid by any stretch.

I’m fine with guys making money from YouTube channels and sponsored IG posts.

But this is only going to make college basketball look more like cfb with maybe 10ish teams able to make a final four every year.

 

[navery12]

If your system is going to collapse by giving the players fair compensation, your system deserves to collapse and build a new one that works

 

[krinklecut]

Define unfair when they get compensated hundreds of thousands of dollars and not pay taxes on it.

Plus free food and training from elite coaches. They are not unpaid by any stretch.

I’m fine with guys making money from YouTube channels and sponsored IG posts.

But this is only going to make college basketball look more like cfb with maybe 10ish teams able to make a final four every year.

lolwat hundreds of thousands of dollars?

 

[Hungryhusky99]

Paying players and instant transfers are going to kill the sport. The major programs will be fine but everyone else will take a huge hit.

False

 

[superjohn]

If your system is going to collapse by giving the players fair compensation, your system deserves to collapse and build a new one that works

What would be fair compensation?

 

[Gurleyman]

Maybe @Gurleyman can put in a good word for us

Family business stays in the family. But some of them still owe me for that thing in the place, and I haven‘t forgotten.

 

[krinklecut]

What would be fair compensation?

A players union and a system where the players get a share of the billion dollars they rake in.

 

[gampelcrazies]

False

No it’s true

 

[navery12]

What would be fair compensation?

Allowing them to profit off their name/likeness is a start, along with giving them the same opportunities in their field of study that they're limited from now.

Without going into a ton of monotonous detail, a system where the ridiculous shady recruiting tactics that are used aren't needed. Even if scholarships/coaching/college exposure are considered compensation, schools still are finding value in offering bags of cash to players. Obviously it's easier said than done, but there's clearly an imbalance that needs to be addressed there

 

[djct1999]

But Fishy said he wasn't good enough for UConn.

Kentucky lands Davidson transfer Kellan Grady

...

247sports.com

The only thing Kentucky is a benchmark for these days is dysfunction. He needs players, lots of them.

 

[UofCT]

Define unfair when they get compensated hundreds of thousands of dollars and not pay taxes on it.

Plus free food and training from elite coaches. They are not unpaid by any stretch.

I’m fine with guys making money from YouTube channels and sponsored IG posts.

But this is only going to make college basketball look more like cfb with maybe 10ish teams able to make a final four every year.

Disagree with your last point. 22 year old seniors > 18 year old freshman. Teams with senior leadership will continue to roll in March.

 

[the Q]

lolwat hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Tuition
Room & board
Books
Sport coaching
Strength and agility coaching
Medical work/training staff
Food/snacks

Al of that adds up real quick. Especially for the 3-4 year players

 

[the Q]

Disagree with your last point. 22 year old seniors > 18 year old freshman. Teams with senior leadership will continue to roll in March.

Sure. But look at the portal now. You think the top older guys won’t jump ship to win titles when they make it easier to do so?

 

[superjohn]

Allowing them to profit off their name/likeness is a start, along with giving them the same opportunities in their field of study that they're limited from now.

Without going into a ton of monotonous detail, a system where the ridiculous shady recruiting tactics that are used aren't needed. Even if scholarships/coaching/college exposure are considered compensation, schools still are finding value in offering bags of cash to players. Obviously it's easier said than done, but there's clearly an imbalance that needs to be addressed there

I'm cool with being allowed to profit off of name/likeness but I feel like people just throw out "pay the players" without really thinking it through and often pretend that college football and bball players aren't already treated differently and have many benefits no other students have. You're not doing that but I see it a lot. Maybe increase the stipend but I don't really see any other way to do it where it doesn't destroy college sports.

 

[Fatroony5]

Allowing them to profit off their name/likeness is a start, along with giving them the same opportunities in their field of study that they're limited from now.

Without going into a ton of monotonous detail, a system where the ridiculous shady recruiting tactics that are used aren't needed. Even if scholarships/coaching/college exposure are considered compensation, schools still are finding value in offering bags of cash to players. Obviously it's easier said than done, but there's clearly an imbalance that needs to be addressed there

NIL seems like the logical step here. I’m not sure why that would “destroy college basketball” if players are allowed to profit off of themselves. I’m for upping the stipend as well, but we’re not talking about schools paying salaries to players, at least I’m not. It doesn’t really change things that much, these top teams are already getting the “top talent” how is that changing things really?

At the end of the day, I’m much more about what’s best for the players. I find it odd that we want to restrict their access to NIL and their ability to play right after their transfer. Allow them to make their own decisions, if they want to transfer, let them. It’s their life, the whole obsession of restricting these athletes is really strange.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Tuition
Room & board
Books
Sport coaching
Strength and agility coaching
Medical work/training staff
Food/snacks

Al of that adds up real quick. Especially for the 3-4 year players

This has always struck me as the least compelling argument in opposition to compensating the players - it reads like an argument that the people making don't really believe but feel compelled to make. It's ridiculous when you think of the life of the average high level P5 basketball or football player compared to what they generate for the schools. These are employees. The people making the rules knew they were employees when they set up the system, it's why we have this moronic "student/athlete" modifier. I would have left "snacks" off the list.

But personally I don't see what paying or not paying the players has to do with the current transfer portal situation. That's a problem irrespective of where you come out on paying them.

 

[the Q]

This has always struck me as the least compelling argument in opposition to compensating the players - it reads like an argument that the people making don't really believe but feel compelled to make. It's ridiculous when you think of the life of the average high level P5 basketball or football player compared to what they generate for the schools. These are employees. The people making the rules knew they were employees when they set up the system, it's why we have this moronic "student/athlete" modifier. I would have left "snacks" off the list.

But personally I don't see what paying or not paying the players has to do with the current transfer portal situation. That's a problem irrespective of where you come out on paying them.

I only mention it because uconn football has their own cafeteria and a private pantry full of food that the players can come to and get as they please as well.

It’s actually pretty cool. Wish I had that when played ball in college lol

 

[Huskymagic]

Paying players and instant transfers are going to kill the sport. The major programs will be fine but everyone else will take a huge hit.

100 percent. Only fools don't understand the repercussions of this. You can't pollute and defile an innocent thing like college sports with paying students money directly and mercenary like activities and expect good outcomes for the overall health of the sport and majority of programs.

PS: I propose all supporters and advocates of these moves have their jobs transferred to Alaska and or North Dakota so their companies can maximize profits.

#SayNotoBasektballMercenaries

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

You can't pollute and defile an innocent thing like college sports with paying students money directly

Wait, what?

College sports are a billion dollar enterprise. You think actually being upfront about paying the players would "defile" something "innocent"? This is like the person who was talking about FIFA's impeccable international reputation.

College sports are a cesspool (RIP).

 

[the Q]

So we have some people who believe that the students are already fairly compensated.

Others oppose compensating players on the basis that it will destroy the system.

So if you believe the latter, is it that you believe that there is an amount of exploitation that we just have to accept in order to still be able to have college basketball? You agree that they're being exploited to some degree but having college basketball in its current format is worth their sacrifice?

Again, define exploited.

 

[navery12]

You're in the former category, not the latter, aren't you?

He 100% is, they do get bags of chips and chocolate chip cookies after all

 

[the Q]

He 100% is, they do get bags of chips and chocolate chip cookies after all

I’m tire of people claiming they aren’t compensated at all.

It’s factually false.

 

[NowInStorrs]

One issue regarding this whole compensation of players thing is that most of the players are being fairly compensated through tuition and other means. The ones who could make quite a bit more are in a small minority. Do you think division 3 schools or smaller division 1 schools should be paying players beyond the tuition and other incentives that they provide? If so, is that for both men and women's basketball? Olympic sports too? It seems to me that the G League is actually a somewhat appropriate alternative for those players who are good enough that they'd rather be professional players out of high school rather than college athletes. I think both of those tracks can co-exist. Also, I'd be in favor of players profiting off their likeness. That's not worth a whole lot for most players but for some that's huge.

But it seems that we're going off topic here. Who's entering the transfer portal?

 

[UofCT]

Sure. But look at the portal now. You think the top older guys won’t jump ship to win titles when they make it easier to do so?

Good point

 

[Huskymagic]

So we have some people who believe that the students are already fairly compensated.

Others oppose compensating players on the basis that it will destroy the system.

So if you believe the latter, is it that you believe that there is an amount of exploitation that we just have to accept in order to still be able to have college basketball? You agree that they're being exploited to some degree but having college basketball in its current format is worth their sacrifice?

Before attempting to sound smart and pontificating from a false moral high ground, understand the repercussions of what you are saying.

You cannot commodify relations and teach children to treat every interaction as an opportunity to make money off someone. When you do that, people/society will treat them like adults in every way and they will be dehumanized. They can wait for that when they are adults out of school.

You realize you live in a capitalist country and society. Without inequality and exploitation capitalism cannot exist. Without it, how would rich people get rich. You yourself unless you are retired or independently wealthy are exploited everyday, but naively think you are free.

PS: Student athletes get hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of good/resources. They get paid directly with a full scholarship already plus unlimited food, gym, trainers, vip facilities, tutors, and the opportunity to play in front of thousands/millions in the best gyms in the country, and travel the country. This allows them an opportunity to showcase their talents and make money when leaving school on top of getting a degree if they so choose. That kind of experience is unquantifiable. 99% of people never get this opportunity.


PS: The exploited ones are regular college students not college athletes.

 

[the Q]

You're in the former category, not the latter, aren't you?

So you don't believe there's exploitation to discuss and my question wasn't directed to you.

Are you ok with 2 sports paying for what is essentially a lot of dead weight?

Because something has to give.

 

[Huskymagic]

So your answer is "yes"? That's all we needed.

The only exploited students in college are your everyday Joe and Jane.

D1 college athletes are not at all. These false crocodile tears for the plight of the 1% student athletes is a slap in the face to the real struggling students who have to take out massive loans and actually go to school to study.

PS: Unlike many, I am actually a real idealist not a false peddler of nonsense about the struggles of Cade Cunnigham and Evan Mobley, and how hard they have it in school. This is entitlement.