OT: - Realignment? | Page 38 | The Boneyard

OT: Realignment?

1657716174362.png
 
Villanove lost both games in the season to Marquette...and then Marquette loses to UNC by 31 points in the Tournament.

Things happen...FSU beat Duke in January...but then lost all five starters to season ending injury....
 
billybud said:
Villanove lost both games in the season to Marquette...and then Marquette loses to UNC by 31 points in the Tournament.

Things happen...FSU beat Duke in January...but then lost all five starters to season ending injury....
Expand ...
That’s why you look at the whole season for the entire conference
 
Duke only lost one game to a non conference team last season (all season and tournament)..and beat Gonzaga and Kentucky, and Arkansas, Michigan State, and Texas Tech........but they had losses to FSU, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech and finally UNC...a tough conference for them.

UNC made the Final...and lost to conference mates Notre Dame, Wake Forest, Miami, Duke, Virginia Tech, and Pitt...a tough conference for them.
 
billybud said:
Duke only lost one game to a non conference team last season (all season and tournament)..and beat Gonzaga and Kentucky, and Arkansas, Michigan State, and Texas Tech........but they had losses to FSU, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech and finally UNC...a tough conference for them.

UNC made the Final...and lost to conference mates Notre Dame, Wake Forest, Miami, Duke, Virginia Tech, and Pitt...a tough conference for them.
Expand ...
Duke and UNC are very good every year. Combined they make up 13.3% of the conference. Gonzaga is very good too but the WCC is very average. So the point stands. The Big East Conference was better than the ACC.
 
.-.
Zissou said:
I’m not going to quibble about what metric. Top 3 or 4 seems right. The argument that the Big East is somehow not a power conference, though, seems more based on disgruntled bias than fact.
Expand ...
It isn’t a power conference. It is one of the top five college basketball conferences. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
 
CL82 said:
It isn’t a power conference. It is one of the top five college basketball conferences. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
Expand ...
Well, analysts actually do refer to the Big East as one of the 6 power conferences throughout basketball season. I would say it is a power conference that doesn't play football. It is just not a P5 conference.
 
Kolumbo said:
Duke and UNC are very good every year. Combined they make up 13.3% of the conference. Gonzaga is very good too but the WCC is very average. So the point stands. The Big East Conference was better than the ACC.
Expand ...

Huh? But those two teams, Duke and UNC, who are "good every year"...had an average of 5.5 conference losses last year and made the Final Four...that tells me that the ACC is a tough conference...and three teams made the Elte Eight.

Miami made the Elite Eight as a 10 seed.

The ACC had the worst season in late memory...but it overperformed against tournament opponents.
 
I think the gist is the ACC had a horrid start to the year and a very good end of the year. In between 15 teams beat up on one another. Those extra teams the ACC have also mean more losses all around.

In general, in any given year, the top of the ACC is as strong as any one. The question mark is usually about the middle. Last year by the end we had a strong top 1/3rd and mediocre middle and bottom third. How you view it depends on what you choose to emphasize.
 
Zissou said:
I’m not going to quibble about what metric. Top 3 or 4 seems right. The argument that the Big East is somehow not a power conference, though, seems more based on disgruntled bias than fact.
Expand ...
You're clearly not understanding what constitutes a power conference (hint: it's not basketball).
 
billybud said:
Huh? But those two teams, Duke and UNC, who are "good every year"...had an average of 5.5 conference losses last year and made the Final Four...that tells me that the ACC is a tough conference...and three teams made the Elte Eight.

Miami made the Elite Eight as a 10 seed.

The ACC had the worst season in late memory...but it overperformed against tournament opponents.
Expand ...
I'm not really sure what you are arguing. Some conference seems to overperform in the tourney every year. The ACC hit its stride at the right time. We aren't going to scrap the results of 4 months of basketball over a few hot teams in the tourney. The ACC is a good basketball conference, mostly at the top. Their regular season was mediocre. There isn't much else to say.
 
.-.
John said:
You're clearly not understanding what constitutes a power conference (hint: it's not basketball).
Expand ...
See above post or for simplicity here it is:

Well, analysts actually do refer to the Big East as one of the 6 power conferences throughout basketball season. I would say it is a power conference that doesn't play football. It is just not a P5 conference.
 
If any school in The ACC finds a way to successfully challenge the GOR, Uconn better be ready to lie, cheat, and steal their way into whatever league is left over. You can talk NBE all you want, but making 5-10 million a year in a future where schools are poised to make 100 million isn't going to work. A break away is coming, and when it does you want to be aligned with the side that has football teams. TV might make an exception for an independent ND. They won't do the same for Uconn.
 
Hoophound said:
I'm not really sure what you are arguing. Some conference seems to overperform in the tourney every year. The ACC hit its stride at the right time. We aren't going to scrap the results of 4 months of basketball over a few hot teams in the tourney. The ACC is a good basketball conference, mostly at the top. Their regular season was mediocre. There isn't much else to say.
Expand ...
It's nonsensical, I'm sure he thinks the Pac-12 was a juggernaut the year before because they played well in March.
 
Power Conference (P5) is a term used for football and is meaningless in basketball but everyone calls/considers Big East a Power Conference (P6) for basketball.
 
.-.
CL82 said:
It isn’t a power conference. It is one of the top five college basketball conferences. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
Expand ...
Agreed, they are not mutually exclusive, which is why the Big East is both. ;)
 
P5 is a football term. If we’re talking about basketball conferences, the BE is on par with the P5. We can argue about the pecking order, which changes from year to year.
 
Slasher said:
The Big East was good this past year, but did you really use RPI as the metric? Yikes.
Expand ...

No, it's not a yikes, it's a value judgment. Do you determine who is "good" by wins and losses, or wins, losses and margins of victory. There is not a metaphysically correct answer to that -- it's an opinion. My opinion remains that if you are betting, of course margins are important, but if you are trying to determine who is having the better season, only wins and losses are. If you take the other side, you're saying MLB and the NFL do it all wrong by only ranking teams on wins and losses and not computer metrics in deciding who gets in the playoffs.
 
Last edited:
.-.
I feel like this will result in a better situation for UCONN. If the two pigs want to separate themselves financially, it might allow more programs to feed at the growing kiddie table, the G8. The most popular cars aren't the benzes and the bimmers, but the chevies and the toyotas. And I'm talking corolla.
 
.-.
You must log in or register to reply here.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,191
Messages
4,556,264
Members
10,441
Latest member
Virginiafan


Top Bottom