OT: Realignment?

[ZooCougar]

Miami only draws viewers when they are playing schools like FSU/Florida/Alabama/Notre Dame/LSU or they are in a prime spot like Labor Day weekend with no other games conflicting. They are not the main attraction. I just looked at their TV ratings over the last few years and they support this. Look at 2019. Miami played Duke and attracted 454k viewers. Alabama played Duke and attracted 4.64 million viewers.

Here are some other ratings for Miami:

Miami/NC St. = 675k
App State/Miami = 395k
Louisville/Miami = 330k
VT/Miami = 893k
Pitt/Miami = 1.08 million
Akron/Miami = too low to measure
Miami/GT = 551k
Miami/UVA = 870k
Miami/FIU = 345k
Miami/UNC = 1.007 million

Those numbers are terrible.

 

[RioDog]

Miami only draws viewers when they are playing schools like FSU/Florida/Alabama/Notre Dame/LSU or they are in a prime spot like Labor Day weekend with no other games conflicting. They are not the main attraction. I just looked at their TV ratings over the last few years and they support this. Look at 2019. Miami played Duke and attracted 454k viewers. Alabama played Duke and attracted 4.64 million viewers.

Here are some other ratings for Miami:

Miami/NC St. = 675k
App State/Miami = 395k
Louisville/Miami = 330k
VT/Miami = 893k
Pitt/Miami = 1.08 million
Akron/Miami = too low to measure
Miami/GT = 551k
Miami/UVA = 870k
Miami/FIU = 345k
Miami/UNC = 1.007 million

Looking at those numbers it appears that against competition where we might assume Miami is clearly the bigger name the viewership is 300-400K. With any school that may move the needle as much or more than Miami the numbers double or better (except GT).

Conclusion: NC St, VT, Pitt (!), UVA, and UNC are all significantly bigger draws than Miami. GT v. Miami is a draw.


EDIT: Noticed this after initially posting: What do these numbers say about LouisVille?!

 

[billybud]

The 2019 Miami-FIU game was not on an ESPN channel...it was on CBS Sports Network...not a channel accessed by sports fans as much as the ESPN family.

 

[UConnJim]

The 2019 Miami-FIU game was not on an ESPN channel...it was on CBS Sports Network...not a channel accessed by sports fans as much as the ESPN family.

The FIU/Miami game listed was from 2018 on ESPN2 at 3:30 PM on a Saturday.

 

[billybud]

Sure...but give Miami a good opponenent and like most of those match ups, they do OK...they drew 5.97 million viewers in 2019 against Florida on ESPN....

Penn State has viewers...but not watching Penn State vs Maryland.

 

[UConnJim]

Sure...but give Miami a good opponenent and like most of those match ups, they do OK...they drew 5.97 million viewers in 2019 against Florida on ESPN....

Penn State has viewers...but not watching Penn State vs Maryland.

Maryland/Penn St. TV ratings:

2021: 936k on FS1
2019: 990k on FS1
2018: 2.2 million on ABC

Much better than Miami when they are not playing a named brand opponent and almost 1 million on FS1 is a good number.

For the 2018 season, here are the Penn St. TV ratings (excludes BTN):

Penn St./OSU: 9.1 million
Penn St. Michigan: 4.3 million
Penn St./Iowa: 3.3 million
Penn St./Pitt: 3.3 million
Penn St./Indiana: 3.1 million
Penn St./Maryland: 2.2 million
Penn St./Illinois: 1.2 million on FS1
Penn St./Kent St.: 900k on FS1

Miami's TV ratings:

Miami/LSU: 6.6 million
Miami/FSU: 2.8 million
Miami/BC: 1.4 million (Friday night)
Miami/UNC: 1.0 million (Thursday night)
Miami/Pitt: 920k
Miami/UVA: 870k
Miami/VT: 733k
Miami/Duke: 620k
Miami/GT: 551k
Miami/Toledo: 461k
Miami/FIU: 345k

Miami doesn't come close to matching Penn St. for TV ratings. There is a reason why the ACC media contract is so much lower than the Big 10.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[CAtlantic]

Teel: Three-fold challenge for imperiled ACC in wake of latest conference realignment

As panic ensues during the Faber homecoming parade in “Animal House,” ROTC cadet Chip Diller, aka Kevin Bacon, attempts to quell the masses.

richmond.com

 

[kobe]

imagine being memphis rn. can't feel good.

uconn self-sabotaged dropping football and joining a provincial lil mid-major league for basketball to avoid that feeling.

chess not checkers play by the huskies.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

imagine being memphis rn. can't feel good.

uconn self-sabotaged dropping football and joining a provincial lil mid-major league for basketball to avoid that feeling.

chess not checkers play by the huskies.

Thank you for this post, without it I wouldn't have known UConn dropped football.

 

[CL82]

imagine being memphis rn. can't feel good.

uconn self-sabotaged dropping football and joining a provincial lil mid-major league for basketball to avoid that feeling.

chess not checkers play by the huskies.

Hey Kobe always nice to have you drop by. Just curious, why do you think Cronin is so much more successful at UCLA than he was at Cincinnati? Lack of institutional support? Lack of fan support? I mean it’s not like he suddenly got smarter.

 

[Rufus]

B1G impact: USC, UCLA may prove more fruitful in hoops than football

UCLA and USC are poised to do more to immediately strengthen the B1G on the basketball court than the football field.

saturdaytradition.com

 

[kobe]

Thank you for this post, without it I wouldn't have known UConn dropped football.

ive long been known as a uconn football historian. glad i could help.

thanks for the memories

 

[CL82]

ive long been known as a uconn football historian. glad i could help.

thanks for the memories

Same.

 

[Billy Jack]

imagine being memphis rn. can't feel good.

uconn self-sabotaged dropping football and joining a provincial lil mid-major league for basketball to avoid that feeling.

chess not checkers play by the huskies.

No, they did it to avoid destroying their basketball programs, something which they had already proven they could do well.

Big East mid major? What is that you’re smoking in your icon?

 

[freescooter]

No, they did it to avoid destroying their basketball programs, something which they had already proven they could do well.

Big East mid major? What is that you’re smoking in your icon?

Not exactly. It isn’t a P5 but neither is it the A10. It sort of occupies a space between a power conference and a true mid major. It has 1 power team and a bunch of good, not great ones. It will typically get 4-5 bids but 3-4 of those teams only need to pack one uniform. And it remains to be seen what happens to Villanova now. I’d call it a major conference. Not a power one, not really a midmajor, though 50% of the teams are mid-majors.

 

[kobe]

Same.

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i greatly respect you pulling out a game from 2008. this is the type of misinformation on the internet i love to see.

 

[Billy Jack]

I don’t know what you think a P5 conference achieves year in and year out. Neither B1G nor the Pac12 has won a national championship in the past 20 years. Current BE members have won 5 NCs and a 3rd has been to 2 NC games in that same time. Take the top team away from any conference and the conference looks different. By definition most teams are going home early from the tournament. Half are eliminated in the first round and 3/4 by the first weekend.

Depth? 5 of the current BE teams have been to the E8 in the past dozen tournaments and 7 have been to the Sweet16. The current conference members have had multiple teams in the Sweet 16 in half of the past dozen tournaments and at least one team in the S16 in 11 of the past 12 tournaments. Just this year, 2 teams in the S16 & 1 in the F4. Two in the S16 last year too.

Only 4 teams have not had a season in which they haven’t advanced to the Sweet 16. Only 1 team has failed to make the tournament at all in the past dozen years.

It would be nice if you presented actual facts instead of making sweeping generalizations. Start with the PAC12. If they’re P5, the BE easily surpasses them in its accomplishments this century. Without UCLA, what are they? The ACC is a special case. No one has the consistency or the accomplishments by multiple teams that they’ve had. But every other P5 team has its shortcomings.

 

[CL82]

i greatly respect you pulling out a game from 2008. this is the type of misinformation on the internet i love to see.

Because games from 2008 didn’t count?

 

[freescooter]

I don’t know what you think a P5 conference achieves year in and year out. Neither B1G nor the Pac12 has won a national championship in the past 20 years. Current BE members have won 5 NCs and a 3rd has been to 2 NC games in that same time. Take the top team away from any conference and the conference looks different. By definition most teams are going home early from the tournament. Half are eliminated in the first round and 3/4 by the first weekend.

Depth? 5 of the current BE teams have been to the E8 in the past dozen tournaments and 7 have been to the Sweet16. The current conference members have had multiple teams in the Sweet 16 in half of the past dozen tournaments and at least one team in the S16 in 11 of the past 12 tournaments. Just this year, 2 teams in the S16 & 1 in the F4. Two in the S16 last year too.

Only 4 teams have not had a season in which they haven’t advanced to the Sweet 16. Only 1 team has failed to make the tournament at all in the past dozen years.

It would be nice if you presented actual facts instead of making sweeping generalizations. Start with the PAC12. If they’re P5, the BE easily surpasses them in its accomplishments this century. Without UCLA, what are they? The ACC is a special case. No one has the consistency or the accomplishments by multiple teams that they’ve had. But every other P5 team has its shortcomings.

We aren’t talking about the 1980s. The New Big East formed for the 2014 season. It has had Villanova. Xavier went to an Elite 8. Once. PC and Creighton went to Sweet 16s once each. UConn wasn’t in the league in 2014. And hasn’t been the same team since either. Or did you not hear about the NMSU game. You want to count them, that’s fine. What have they done in the last 8 years. Are you counting LaSalle in ranking the A10?

 

[Bobol]

The reality is that like it or not, UConn is a member of the Big East and at present it is the best available option UConn has for its athletic programs.

A better athletic conference may come along for UConn to join but until that happens I don’t understand why posters want to knock UConn’s best option.

 

[History Geek]

The reality is that like it or not, UConn is a member of the Big East and at present it is the best available option UConn has for its athletic programs.

A better athletic conference may come along for UConn to join but until that happens I don’t understand why posters want to knock UConn’s best option.

Agreed. I was against the move to the NBE when it happened and I was 100% wrong. It’s exactly where we should be at present. If another opportunity comes along, we do a cost/benefit analysis and act accordingly. For the short term, we should position ourselves for multiple scenarios. Which we now have. That could include independence in football/NBE for all other sports. It may be a reconstitued ACC. It may be something not envisioned yet. Who knows. As long as it is the most long term sense for the institution. We will see. I am more confident we will land in a good spot this time around.

 

[Billy Jack]

We aren’t talking about the 1980s. The New Big East formed for the 2014 season. It has had Villanova. Xavier went to an Elite 8. Once. PC and Creighton went to Sweet 16s once each. UConn wasn’t in the league in 2014. And hasn’t been the same team since either. Or did you not hear about the NMSU game. You want to count them, that’s fine. What have they done in the last 8 years. Are you counting LaSalle in ranking the A10?

You want to pretend that the Big East had no history before 2014? That’s fine. You want to pretend that what the current members did before the C7 split. That’s fine too. But you left out the fact that Xavier went to the Sweet 16 in 2015 and Butler went to the Sweet 16 in 2016.

I don’t see how recent history of current teams isn’t relevant to what the current league is. Marquette went to an Elite 8 as a member of the Bug East in 2013 and to Sweet 16 in 2011 and 2012. UConn won a NC as a member of the BE in 2011. When the football schools scattered to different conferences the so-called new BE was the continuation of the BE . It has 6 of the founding 8 members. The past accomplishments of its current members still define who the conference is. What other conference and the history of its current members do we pretend didn’t exist before realignment?

The base line of accomplishments for a P5 is the Pac12. If a conference has accomplished as much as the Pac12, then they meet the standard for P5. Please show me how the Pac12 has accomplished more than the Big East in whatever time frame of recent history you want to choose.

 

[kobe]

Because games from 2008 didn’t count?

when you’re 3-13 vs an opponent all time including multiple 40 point blowouts picking one game you happened to win is peak trolling and absolutely beautiful to see.

 

[CL82]

when you’re 3-13 vs an opponent all time including multiple 40 point blowouts picking one game you happened to win is peak trolling and absolutely beautiful to see.

Lol, a Cincinnati fan comes onto a UConn board and posts a link about a Cincinnati football win over Connecticut but then accuses the UConn fan of trolling when for posting a Connecticut win over Cincinnati?