Ray Rice video finally leaked
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My question.
Yesterday, the Ravens knew that Ray Rice knocked his wife unconscious. Two game suspension.
Today, the Ravens 'saw' Ray Rice knock his wife unconscious and were so outraged that they released him immediately.
Um, what in the holy f--- did they think Ray Rice knocking his wife unconscious looked like? Were they suddenly surprised at how brutal a huge dude punching a woman unconscious looked like?!
Zero credit to the Ravens today. None, nada, zilch.
I only feel badly for Mrs. Rice who not only had to endure an attack, but who know has her future thrown completely into doubt.
Yesterday, the Ravens knew that Ray Rice knocked his wife unconscious. Two game suspension.
Today, the Ravens 'saw' Ray Rice knock his wife unconscious and were so outraged that they released him immediately.
Um, what in the holy f--- did they think Ray Rice knocking his wife unconscious looked like? Were they suddenly surprised at how brutal a huge dude punching a woman unconscious looked like?!
Zero credit to the Ravens today. None, nada, zilch.
I only feel badly for Mrs. Rice who not only had to endure an attack, but who know has her future thrown completely into doubt.
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Quite disgustingly, it would probably have been a much harder decision a year ago. But with very little tread left on the tires and a heck of a lot of backlash coming their way if he wasn't released, this should have been a fairly easy decision on their part.
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The big difference is proof -
Not defending McDonald in anyway but no proof there - with Ray Rice he has admitted to it and there is video of it.
In McDonalds case he was only arrested at this point - there is only a 'he says she says' version.
They shouldn't take a salary cap hit for that.
And I'll be shocked if his career is over. He'll "take the year off", "get counseling", "change his ways", and someone in need of a running back will sign him for half the money the Ravens were going to pay him. I hope it's not my favorite team, I'll be done with them.
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I wouldn't bet money either way but he just isn't very good anymore and at the point in his career where RBs generally fall off a cliff production-wise. I think there's a pretty decent chance no one ends up thinking he's worth the baggage for marginal production.
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The act of raising it into the discussion is just odd Rock. It's not really relevant, it comes off strange.
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He's done. He's been trending down lately anyways. No NFL team will touch him now. There will be better running backs without the baggage
Maybe you guys are right. But I'd be surprised if he's not in an NFL camp next August.
Mike Vick got another chance, Plaxico Burress too. Not comparing the crimes, just the fact they were out for years, came with baggage, and still got second chances.
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StevieDude said:
No team will take on that pr nightmare. He is done. Not only his nfl career, any career in the spotlight.
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WingU-Conn said:
The issue is the video. There could be other nfl players who have been arrested for assaulting a woman, but there is no video attached. This guy is toxic. No one will touch him.
That's a good point, time will tell.
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He'll be 28 before next season starts and already looked old and slow last year. RB is a position that has very short careers and Plax and Vick played very different positions.
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And Plax's crime was having an unregistered gun, something many people plead out of without incident. It's not remotely comparable to punching a woman unconscious.
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The most grotesque part of the video isn't even the punch itself, its his blatant lack of immediate remorse at the sight of his unconscious fiance's body and the way he handles her after the fact. It rules out that the act was something impulsive, emotionally charged. That would have been worthy of everyone's ire in and of itself. But to go beyond that and just act completely nonplussed that he had just decked out the most important person in his life and to kick her after the fact, that's what take him into truly despicable territory. He goes from that deserves to be locked up to scum of the earth.
He'll also be coming off a year off, which can do wonders to help the body recover. He'll also have zero leverage due to this age and past.
He went from 5 years, $40 million, to 0 years, 0 million.
There are 31 teams (not counting the Ravens). One of them might be willing to sign him to the minimum contract hoping that his production outweighs his cost. And if he turned into a spokesman against domestic violence, who ran for 1500 yards and 20 TDs, while playing for the league minimum, I think a lot of owners could live with that. I'm almost positive Jerry Jones could.
Honestly, I don't have a dog in this fight (no Vick pun intended). I don't care if he never plays another down. You guys might be right, I was just speculating as to the nature of the NFL. Like Fishy said, the only difference between yesterday and today is the video. Not releasing him was a business decision, releasing him now, is a business decision. Whatever happens to his career will be based on cost and value. How much does he cost, and what value can he bring?
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And I just want to repeat that what you saw on that video has probably been done by other nflers. There just isn't a video to catch it. Takes a real man to hit a woman. Pathetic.
Makes me so angry.
And domestic violence has gotten so bad in connecticut, they now have special dockets in criminal court specifically for those cases. Scary.
Makes me so angry.
And domestic violence has gotten so bad in connecticut, they now have special dockets in criminal court specifically for those cases. Scary.
It's a good thing I didn't compare the two incidents then isn't it? Because Plaxico's crime was nothing like Mike Vick's either, but that wasn't the point.
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Interesting that people almost seemed as up in arms about the Centerplate CEO who kicked the dog in the elevator. He also was forced out of his job.
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Knowing about it is one thing - unfortunately some folks can dismiss that or minimize it. Seeing it happen makes it more real for some people and makes them become much more indignant about the incident.
I do agree with Fishy 100%, WTF did they think someone turning the lights out on another person looks like? Unreal.
I do agree with Fishy 100%, WTF did they think someone turning the lights out on another person looks like? Unreal.
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Apparently people need to see things on video to really grasp the reality and impact of something. It's the same frickin' crime as before, but now that there's video footage of a huge pro football player knocking out a woman for the world to see, it's suddenly the difference between a 2 game suspension and getting booted off the team.
Imagine if this video had came out after the suspension was over. The public backlash against the Ravens & the NFL would have been unprecedented.
Would be surprised if Rice is ever in an NFL uniform again.
Imagine if this video had came out after the suspension was over. The public backlash against the Ravens & the NFL would have been unprecedented.
Would be surprised if Rice is ever in an NFL uniform again.
Looks like the Ravens released Ray Rice to save face from all the public outcry. We live in a new age of social media from even 2-3 years ago, seeing it on camera makes it all that much more of a difference. Didn't they get married the day after this incident tell me thats not an akward wedding. Well see what happens after this its gonna take a lot from Ray to earn his way back onto a team, no too mention he is a rb with tread on his tires.
Agreed 100 percent this is the new age in the media if an owner can get forced out for racial comments Ray Rice could get definitely be done..
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Like I said, antecedents to behavior can't be ignored. Again, as I thought I made abundantly clear, RICE'S BEHAVIOR WAS CLEARLY EGREGIOUS, but in nearly every other case of human behavior, we look at the preceding events. Even in cases beyond human behavior, we look at what happened before; do we not try to figure out the environmental and structural factors that caused a bridge to collapse? Unless you're saying dude nailed her for absolutely no reason, which I don't think you would, these details are absolutely relevant. THEY DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT RICE DID SOMETHING THAT WAS ANYTHING CLOSE TO ACCEPTABLE.
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Good point. What was once the single shining example of RU athletics has changed in to possibly its darkest mark.
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