Ray Allen with some strong words on UConn..

[JimHurley]

The world in 2020, it's bizarre

I can think of a million ways Ray can help the University, this isn't one of them

It truly is. This quote also gets me, "The cut to the UCONN PD is not only essential to the students at UCONN, but also, simply put, wanted." Like...really?

 

[navery12]

Allow me to clarify. Ray says cuts to the UConn PD are essential but then expresses his displeasure with cutting any sports. To me this is just crazy. A safe and secure campus is perhaps THE most important thing and resources should be allocated to ensuring that over sports that lose the university money. I didn't think this would make me sound crazy, but I think funding a police department that ensures the safety of our students is more important than rowing/swimming/tennis/cross country scholarships.

My response to you is basically the same as it was to Chin above. Just throwing more police out instead of addressing the actual issues with campus safety is not a solution. I've already had the discussion with you in the cesspool where this belongs and how you are just fundamentally misunderstanding what people want when they say to cut funding. You did it then and you posted all the same stuff again now

 

[CL82]

Yeah, it was a significantly tone deaf comment by Ray in the #metoo era. Parents want to know their children are safe while away at campus and spending money on security guards is going to help keep their children more safe than reducing security guard salary and providing a rowing or cross country scholarship.
Safety on campus is much more than just roving patrols but it's a big consideration for many parents when deciding where to send their little Suzy off to college.

Tone deaf and uninformed as it turns out. Isn’t Ray on the board? Couldn’t he get answers to these questions before he posts?

 

[Rico444]

Allow me to clarify. Ray says cuts to the UConn PD are essential but then expresses his displeasure with cutting any sports. To me this is just crazy. A safe and secure campus is perhaps THE most important thing and resources should be allocated to ensuring that over sports that lose the university money. I didn't think this would make me sound crazy, but I think funding a police department that ensures the safety of our students is more important than rowing/swimming/tennis/cross country scholarships.

This is simple, really, and why the arguments in this thread won't go anywhere. To most white people, more police = more security, and to most black people, more police = more abuse. It's not crazy for Ray to say this if, in his mind, safety for him and people that look like him means fewer police.

 

[JimHurley]

My response to you is basically the same as it was to Chin above. Just throwing more police out instead of addressing the actual issues with campus safety is not a solution. I've already had the discussion with you in the cesspool where this belongs and how you are just fundamentally misunderstanding what people want when they say to cut funding. You did it then and you posted all the same stuff again now

I'm not implying to throw out more police. I'm advocating against cutting police in favor of scholarships for sports that lose the university money. I don't see how that's controversial.

Slightly unrelated, but I also find it funny how some want to cut police funding in favor of community investment and just hope that pans out. How about cutting unnecessary spending (something other than police), invest THAT into our communities, and then if crime goes down we can reduce the number of police. I don't see why it's an either or scenario. We can invest in our communities without cutting police. And if those investments in turn reduce crime, the need for police will naturally decline. I think it's foolish to just reduce police funding in favor of community without knowing the repercussions of doing so.

 

[Guapo]

UConn’s police cheif makes more than the chief of the NYPD #themoreyouknow

 

[JimHurley]

This is simple, really, and why the arguments in this thread won't go anywhere. To most white people, more police = more security, and to most black people, more police = more abuse. It's not crazy for Ray to say this if, in his mind, safety for him and people that look like him means fewer police.

Again, never have I argued for more police on this site. If Ray feels safer with fewer police, is that just the end of the discussion? Ray Allen wants less police so let's have less police? I'm in favor of things like having mental health professionals responding to calls for mental health issues and suicidal people, but police will always play a role in the safety of society. I don't think there's an question of if we need better policing. We do. But to me it's scary that so many people think having less police funding and better community investment is going to solve the issue of inequality/crime.

 

[navery12]

I'm not implying to throw out more police. I'm advocating against cutting police in favor of scholarships for sports that lose the university money. I don't see how that's controversial.

Slightly unrelated, but I also find it funny how some want to cut police funding in favor of community investment and just hope that pans out. How about cutting unnecessary spending (something other than police), invest THAT into our communities, and then if crime goes down we can reduce the number of police. I don't see why it's an either or scenario. We can invest in our communities without cutting police. And if those investments in turn reduce crime, the need for police will naturally decline. I think it's foolish to just reduce police funding in favor of community without knowing the repercussions of doing so.

But we have an example of that in Camden and how cutting funding doesn't even necessarily mean less police. People get all caught up in the title and don't bother to actually look at plans. Defund and before that abolish are not perfect names because it's impossible to simplify a plan into 3 words and tell the whole story. I don't mean to single you out but you're making the same judgement others do when you assume cutting funding = cutting police.

Regarding the second point of why it's police funding and not other funding that's being brought up I suggest you look at @Rico444 's post a few up. He nails the difference of opinion there. And that's not to say you're completely off, we should be looking at all areas to find where we're overspending, not just police

 

[huskymedic]

Tone deaf and uninformed as it turns out. Isn’t Ray on the board? Couldn’t he get answers to these questions before he posts?

He’s on the board of the UConn Foundation not the Board of Trustees. I would imagine he could get any answers he really wants irrespective with one phone call

 

[Mr. French]

About to add this to the growing list of threads to get the ax!

 

[gtcam]

to most white people, more police = more security, and to most black people, more police = more abuse.

Totally baseless statement
Go ask a majority of those who live in the Harlem section of NYC if they want more or less police - you will be surprised how wrong your statement is. I work closely with many residents and business owners in the North end of Hartford as well as the Parkville/Frog Hollow section- they want more police presence - the people who call to end the police departments, etc are not from there and are politically motivated to sing this tune
If you ask a majority of parents who pay these tuition bills what they prefer - more safety for their children or more money for athletics - what do you think their answer would be?
I'm not arguing about the pay for the UConn police - I have no idea about that but in a place as large as UConn that is open to outside traffic, etc - to have a lesser presence is ridiculous
Ray is a great basketball player and a great ambassador for the program - he should continue to do so
OK - lets talk basketball or take this to the cesspool

 

[JimHurley]

But we have an example of that in Camden and how cutting funding doesn't even necessarily mean less police. People get all caught up in the title and don't bother to actually look at plans. Defund and before that abolish are not perfect names because it's impossible to simplify a plan into 3 words and tell the whole story. I don't mean to single you out but you're making the same judgement others do when you assume cutting funding = cutting police.

Regarding the second point of why it's police funding and not other funding that's being brought up I suggest you look at @Rico444 's post a few up. He nails the difference of opinion there. And that's not to say you're completely off, we should be looking at all areas to find where we're overspending, not just police

OK, but don't think that your idea of "defunding" is the only one out there. Please read the NYTimes article on abolishing police and tell me that some people don't want there to be no more police. Plenty of people want that and that's scary.

 

[navery12]

OK, but don't think that your idea of "defunding" is the only one out there. Please read the NYTimes article on abolishing police and tell me that some people don't want there to be no more police. Plenty of people want that and that's scary.

Of course, you can find a group of people who want just about anything. That group of people who want to fully abolish the police are so small it's not even worth considering, especially when they have 0 chance of ever making that happen

 

[JimHurley]

Of course, you can find a group of people who want just about anything. That group of people who want to fully abolish the police are so small it's not even worth considering, especially when they have 0 chance of ever making that happen

Right, but when you say things like "most people don't know what defunding means," that's too broad of a statement. Not everyone in favor of defunding has the same idea as you.

 

[navery12]

Right, but when you say things like "most people don't know what defunding means," that's too broad of a statement. Not everyone in favor of defunding has the same idea as you.

I guess that's fair, so I'm not surprised opponents of it jump to the 5% definition over the 95% definition

 

[UCSouth]

Allow me to clarify. Ray says cuts to the UConn PD are essential but then expresses his displeasure with cutting any sports. To me this is just crazy. A safe and secure campus is perhaps THE most important thing and resources should be allocated to ensuring that over sports that lose the university money. I didn't think this would make me sound crazy, but I think funding a police department that ensures the safety of our students is more important than rowing/swimming/tennis/cross country scholarships.

I don't think that you want to use the "sports that lose money" narrative because I think that an odd shaped ball sport loses money by the truckload.

 

[ucp990411]

How about negotiating cut backs with the union?

 

[CbbisGreat]

At this time America , unions have very little power

 

[ASweet3781]

Oh so the entire premise of abolishing the UConn Police (hiring 20 officers while cutting 4 sports) that I have seen online (they have an online petition based on this premise) the past couple weeks was a total lie? Shocker.

Lots of people ready to eliminate jobs of completely innocent middle class people and for what? Look at the instagram post and read the comments. Every grievance you can imagine. Should we go through the list of majors offered at UConn and abolish the ones that we deem not needed?

 

[Rico444]

to most white people, more police = more security, and to most black people, more police = more abuse.

Totally baseless statement
Go ask a majority of those who live in the Harlem section of NYC if they want more or less police - you will be surprised how wrong your statement is. I work closely with many residents and business owners in the North end of Hartford as well as the Parkville/Frog Hollow section- they want more police presence - the people who call to end the police departments, etc are not from there and are politically motivated to sing this tune

First of all, I never said all black people equate more police with more abuse, just most. A large number of POC want less policing in their lives, I can tell you that for sure.

If you ask a majority of parents who pay these tuition bills what they prefer - more safety for their children or more money for athletics - what do you think their answer would be?

Again, more money for police does not mean more safety, especially in the broken system of policing.

I'm not arguing about the pay for the UConn police - I have no idea about that but in a place as large as UConn that is open to outside traffic, etc - to have a lesser presence is ridiculous

This assumes that there is currently a need for more officers, or that there aren't already too many.

Ray is a great basketball player and a great ambassador for the program - he should continue to do so

Agreed, although I'm not sure why you underlined the word 'program.'

OK - lets talk basketball or take this to the cesspool

Any time you want to come to the Cesspool to broaden your horizons, you're welcome to.

 

[JimHurley]

I guess that's fair, so I'm not surprised opponents of it jump to the 5% definition over the 95% definition

Those 5% are the most vocal and obnoxious people that claim they are going to get what they want or they will burn down the system.

 

[ucp990411]

At this time America , unions have very little power

But the coaches can't offer give backs because they are members of the CBA. And you don't think unions have very little power? How about the teachers union in every city? State employee unions? Professor unions on most campuses? MLB union? It's the retirement packages unions have negotiated over the years that have caused cities to be broke. I have in-laws who were both teachers and they make more in retirement than they did teaching and free health insurance for the rest of their lives. Don't tell me unions have no power. I have been on both both sides in negotiations and believe me they have power.

 

[navery12]

Those 5% are the most vocal and obnoxious people that claim they are going to get what they want or they will burn down the system.

They might be, but I'm not even sure I buy this argument to be honest. I'm one of the biggest proponents of the movement on this board and am involved with trying to make it happen, and if I'm being honest I wouldn't even see the extremist views if it weren't for opponents bringing it up. They talk and nobody listens

 

[CL82]

. A large number of POC want less policing in their lives, I can tell you that for sure.

Probably, but a poll I posted in the cesspool showed that greater than 60% of black Americans are in favor of more policing in their communities.

 

[methodology]

Probably, but a poll I posted in the cesspool showed that greater than 60% of black Americans are in favor of more policing in their communities.

I know plenty of inner city minorities in Hartford, new haven, Bridgeport they more or less universally want more policing and think there hasn't been enough policing in many years. You can't have things both ways. The issue isn't the # of police it's the training, accountability, and actions being taken.

 

[Rico444]

Probably, but a poll I posted in the cesspool showed that greater than 60% of black Americans are in favor of more policing in their communities.

That's interesting, do you have a link to the poll?

 

[JimHurley]

I know plenty of inner city minorities in Hartford, new haven, Bridgeport they more or less universally want more policing and think there hasn't been enough policing in many years. You can't have things both ways. The issue isn't the # of police it's the training, accountability, and actions being taken.

I have talked to a few friends from Hartford and Bloomfield that say they want greater investment in their communities but without decreasing police presence. In short they want better policing with greater community investment.

 

[superjohn]

At this time America , unions have very little power

Police unions are hugely powerful and by far the biggest obstacle to any sort of police reform.

 

[superjohn]

We need better policing and they need to be held accountable but getting rid of or cutting the numbers of police is a terrible idea. It will make life much more dangerous for black and brown neighborhoods. There needs to be reform but we're in a really bad spot now with cops quitting, sitting on their hands because they feel they're being sold out etc. It will be really tricky to reform and still maintain safe streets. I expect a significant rise in violent crime for many inner cities in the interim.

 

[beerfan]

UConn’s police cheif makes more than the chief of the NYPD #themoreyouknow

Wow, at first I didn't believe this but did some quick googling. I found some 2011 articles that showed the Uconn Police Chief made 250K+, while his second in command makes 211K+ (just imagine what the pension cost will be) while the NYC Police Commissioner made 226K+ in 2018. Perhaps some of these bloated salaries are part of the problem