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How much are we supposed to hate Ray Allen now? Is there a scale?
3.6 Roentgen.How much are we supposed to hate Ray Allen now? Is there a scale?
Lol, so which of the items listed for cause do you believe was "trumped up?" If cause was "trumped up" as you suggest, why did the NCAA give KO a show cause penalty? Are they a part of some bizarre conspiracy to "get" Ollie?
Man for guy who, oddly in my view, spent month after month asking for us to "come back to the big east" you aren't turning out to be a particularly good conference partner. Maybe the guys who pegged you as a troll got it right?
I'm all for UConn to the Big East. I also think Hurley is a good hire and he will succeed.
Can you accept that we honestly disagree on this issue without resulting to name calling and trolling accusations?
I'm certainly not alone in my views of trumped up charges. see below.
To be clear, I think all of the issues below were trumped up.
Which of the issues below, do you think rose to the level of firing? Is there a different standard for KO with a losing record than for JC with a winning record?
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Documents include a letter to Ollie in which athletic director David Benedict wrote, “… at the time of your hire, the importance of absolute compliance in running our men’s basketball program was stressed to you by President [Susan] Herbst and then-athletic director Warde Manuel. That makes the violations I … describe all the more troubling.”
In the four-page letter sent to Ollie days before his administrative hearing Benedict laid out the university’s case against him accusing the coach of intentionally participating in impermissible activities with student-athletes during an official visit, intentionally facilitating prohibited contact between potential recruits and UConn representatives and most important “not being completely truthful” when interviewed by university officials.
The letter then goes on to describe specific violations including:
As the documents were released, Michael Bailey, director of the UConn chapter of the American Association of University Professors, issued a statement, accusing UConn of a “double standard,” because it did not terminate other coaches, including Jim Calhoun, for NCAA violations in the past.
- Ollie shot baskets with a potential recruit while the unnamed recruit was on an official visit. A portion of that shootaround was videotaped by the player’s aunt, which was then published by The Courant, which is how Benedict learned of the incident. Ollie didn’t deny that he participated in the shootaround but claimed it was limited in scope. The university self-reported the incident to the NCAA. In September, guard James Akinjo from California was on an official visit, and he and Ollie stopped to shoot baskets together in the Werth Family Center. Akinjo’s guardian took video of it and posted it on Twitter, which The Courant noted in a story after Akinjo committed to UConn. The video was taken down from Twitter.
- Ollie facilitated a call between a potential recruit and former UConn All-America Ray Allen, who is now considered a booster by the NCAA. When confronted with the call, Benedict alleged that Ollie denied the call was prearranged. In addition the call was not made on Ollie’s phone but on the cellphone of his executive assistant from Ollie’s house. Benedict said using another employee’s phone “further suggests that the call deliberately occurred in a covert manner.”
- Ollie got a close personal friend named Derrek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after-hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was permissible. Hamilton, reached by The Courant Wednesday, said, “I have nothing to say about that. I have not talked to the NCAA and I don’t really know what’s going on.”
- The letter then indicates that Ollie downplayed Hamilton’s role with the program and told investigators that no players trained with Hamilton and that Hamilton spent little time on campus. But UConn has hotel records showing Hamilton’s presence on campus as well as that Ollie gave him complimentary tickets to three games.
- Benedict also said that Ollie failed to report any possible NCAA violations as was his responsibility. “Every violation I am raising was discovered from sources other than you or your staff,” Benedict wrote, adding that in one instance Benedict found out about the impermissible tryout through the media.
- Benedict also questioned the role of Danny Griffin, a friend of Ollie’s who was brought in as a noncoaching staff member by Ollie. The investigation showed that Griffin had impermissible phone contact with at least two recruits.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of coach Ollie,” the AAUP letter stated.
How is it possible you could be a UConn fan posting here for as many years as you have and you don't know why UConn was banned from the tournament?One could also make the case that precisely BRCAUSE Calhoun sometimes skirted the rules and it cost the program dearly,(see tourney ban for example) when the new coach was hired compliance became a priority. It happens all the time. For example, do you think Louisville will bring strippers to the basketball dorm again? And if so do you think the coach and AD survive? Times change and so do priorities. It was Ollie’s misfortune in a way that he skirted the rules at a time when compliance was a high priority and given what happened in college basketball generally and U Conn specifically it is not shocking that he was fired for that. Just like it wasn’t shocking that the UL AD was fired despite having overseen a rogue program for decades. In the past it was overlooked. But given the current climate it couldn’t be this time.
I'm all for UConn to the Big East. I also think Hurley is a good hire and he will succeed.
Can you accept that we honestly disagree on this issue without resulting to name calling and trolling accusations?
I'm certainly not alone in my views of trumped up charges. see below.
To be clear, I think all of the issues below were trumped up.
Which of the issues below, do you think rose to the level of firing? Is there a different standard for KO with a losing record than for JC with a winning record?
_________________________________________________________________________
Documents include a letter to Ollie in which athletic director David Benedict wrote, “… at the time of your hire, the importance of absolute compliance in running our men’s basketball program was stressed to you by President [Susan] Herbst and then-athletic director Warde Manuel. That makes the violations I … describe all the more troubling.”
In the four-page letter sent to Ollie days before his administrative hearing Benedict laid out the university’s case against him accusing the coach of intentionally participating in impermissible activities with student-athletes during an official visit, intentionally facilitating prohibited contact between potential recruits and UConn representatives and most important “not being completely truthful” when interviewed by university officials.
The letter then goes on to describe specific violations including:
As the documents were released, Michael Bailey, director of the UConn chapter of the American Association of University Professors, issued a statement, accusing UConn of a “double standard,” because it did not terminate other coaches, including Jim Calhoun, for NCAA violations in the past.
- Ollie shot baskets with a potential recruit while the unnamed recruit was on an official visit. A portion of that shootaround was videotaped by the player’s aunt, which was then published by The Courant, which is how Benedict learned of the incident. Ollie didn’t deny that he participated in the shootaround but claimed it was limited in scope. The university self-reported the incident to the NCAA. In September, guard James Akinjo from California was on an official visit, and he and Ollie stopped to shoot baskets together in the Werth Family Center. Akinjo’s guardian took video of it and posted it on Twitter, which The Courant noted in a story after Akinjo committed to UConn. The video was taken down from Twitter.
- Ollie facilitated a call between a potential recruit and former UConn All-America Ray Allen, who is now considered a booster by the NCAA. When confronted with the call, Benedict alleged that Ollie denied the call was prearranged. In addition the call was not made on Ollie’s phone but on the cellphone of his executive assistant from Ollie’s house. Benedict said using another employee’s phone “further suggests that the call deliberately occurred in a covert manner.”
- Ollie got a close personal friend named Derrek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after-hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was permissible. Hamilton, reached by The Courant Wednesday, said, “I have nothing to say about that. I have not talked to the NCAA and I don’t really know what’s going on.”
- The letter then indicates that Ollie downplayed Hamilton’s role with the program and told investigators that no players trained with Hamilton and that Hamilton spent little time on campus. But UConn has hotel records showing Hamilton’s presence on campus as well as that Ollie gave him complimentary tickets to three games.
- Benedict also said that Ollie failed to report any possible NCAA violations as was his responsibility. “Every violation I am raising was discovered from sources other than you or your staff,” Benedict wrote, adding that in one instance Benedict found out about the impermissible tryout through the media.
- Benedict also questioned the role of Danny Griffin, a friend of Ollie’s who was brought in as a noncoaching staff member by Ollie. The investigation showed that Griffin had impermissible phone contact with at least two recruits.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of coach Ollie,” the AAUP letter stated.
Trumped up means false. Essentially you are, repeatedly and falsely, accusing the University of Connecticut of committing a fraud and you are doing it on a UConn board. How exactly do expect that to be perceived?I'm all for UConn to the Big East. I also think Hurley is a good hire and he will succeed.
Can you accept that we honestly disagree on this issue without resulting to name calling and trolling accusations?
I'm certainly not alone in my views of trumped up charges. see below.
To be clear, I think all of the issues below were trumped up.
Which of the issues below, do you think rose to the level of firing? Is there a different standard for KO with a losing record than for JC with a winning record?
_________________________________________________________________________
Documents include a letter to Ollie in which athletic director David Benedict wrote, “… at the time of your hire, the importance of absolute compliance in running our men’s basketball program was stressed to you by President [Susan] Herbst and then-athletic director Warde Manuel. That makes the violations I … describe all the more troubling.”
In the four-page letter sent to Ollie days before his administrative hearing Benedict laid out the university’s case against him accusing the coach of intentionally participating in impermissible activities with student-athletes during an official visit, intentionally facilitating prohibited contact between potential recruits and UConn representatives and most important “not being completely truthful” when interviewed by university officials.
The letter then goes on to describe specific violations including:
As the documents were released, Michael Bailey, director of the UConn chapter of the American Association of University Professors, issued a statement, accusing UConn of a “double standard,” because it did not terminate other coaches, including Jim Calhoun, for NCAA violations in the past.
- Ollie shot baskets with a potential recruit while the unnamed recruit was on an official visit. A portion of that shootaround was videotaped by the player’s aunt, which was then published by The Courant, which is how Benedict learned of the incident. Ollie didn’t deny that he participated in the shootaround but claimed it was limited in scope. The university self-reported the incident to the NCAA. In September, guard James Akinjo from California was on an official visit, and he and Ollie stopped to shoot baskets together in the Werth Family Center. Akinjo’s guardian took video of it and posted it on Twitter, which The Courant noted in a story after Akinjo committed to UConn. The video was taken down from Twitter.
- Ollie facilitated a call between a potential recruit and former UConn All-America Ray Allen, who is now considered a booster by the NCAA. When confronted with the call, Benedict alleged that Ollie denied the call was prearranged. In addition the call was not made on Ollie’s phone but on the cellphone of his executive assistant from Ollie’s house. Benedict said using another employee’s phone “further suggests that the call deliberately occurred in a covert manner.”
- Ollie got a close personal friend named Derrek Hamilton to train some of the players off campus in 2015-16. Several players participated in after-hours, on-campus workouts with Hamilton as well as off-campus workouts. Three players traveled to Atlanta to train with Hamilton and the players were fed, transported and housed for free — all considered NCAA violations. The letter said one of the parents of a player who went to Atlanta even called Ollie to ask if the trip was permissible. Hamilton, reached by The Courant Wednesday, said, “I have nothing to say about that. I have not talked to the NCAA and I don’t really know what’s going on.”
- The letter then indicates that Ollie downplayed Hamilton’s role with the program and told investigators that no players trained with Hamilton and that Hamilton spent little time on campus. But UConn has hotel records showing Hamilton’s presence on campus as well as that Ollie gave him complimentary tickets to three games.
- Benedict also said that Ollie failed to report any possible NCAA violations as was his responsibility. “Every violation I am raising was discovered from sources other than you or your staff,” Benedict wrote, adding that in one instance Benedict found out about the impermissible tryout through the media.
- Benedict also questioned the role of Danny Griffin, a friend of Ollie’s who was brought in as a noncoaching staff member by Ollie. The investigation showed that Griffin had impermissible phone contact with at least two recruits.
“To falsely claim ‘just cause’ exists for alleged NCAA infractions in order to avoid paying a debt that is due to Coach Ollie exposes the hypocrisy of the University’s treatment of coach Ollie,” the AAUP letter stated.
You seem to be the one trolling me. I'll answer your questions, and a few more. And let's hear your answers to the same, OK?Trumped up means false. Essentially you are, repeatedly and falsely, accusing the University of Connecticut of committing a fraud and you are doing it on a UConn board. How exactly do expect that to be perceived?
So let me ask you again and please answer each question directly:
Do you believe that all the charges are false?
Do you believe that UConn lied about what Kevin did?
Do you believe that NCAA and UConn are in a conspiracy to prevent Kevin from being paid $10M?
Ok, we're making progress.You seem to be the one trolling me. I'll answer your questions, and a few more. And let's hear your answers to the same, OK?
Trumped up doesn't mean false. It means making issues into something bigger than they are, to create leverage.
Do you believe that all the charges are false? No. I think there is some truth to the charges, and UConn made more of them than they normally would to seek a contract advantage.
Do you believe that UConn lied about what Kevin did? I don't think they lied about what he did, but I do think they are dishonest in dealing with those issues.
Do you believe that NCAA and UConn are in a conspiracy to prevent Kevin from being paid $10M? Conspiracy is too strong a word. I think UConn played the system by trumping up the issues and the disclosures, and did it not to be overly aggressive on creating a compliance culture, but rather to leverage KO.
Yes, I do. After APR/Miles sanction Jim Calhoun was told UConn had adopted a zero tolerance policy toward NCAA violations. After that meeting if he had a pattern of willfully violating NCAA rules and repeatedly lied to the administration about it, I absolutely he would have been terminated. Now, I also believe that Calhoun would have left far more graciously and had a better narrative, largely because he wouldn't have dug in his heels and threatened to smear the university if he wasn't paid millions for not working.Do you believe the same charges against JC would result in his dismissal?
I believe he would have been dismissed. Note that Kevin's problem was not a single violation but a pattern of violation and dishonesty about those violations. That's a toxic combination that will always result in a termination. The goodwill of earning a second national championship would have been offset by the scandal of the NCAA expunging it. When you have a repeated pattern of ignoring NCAA rules exacerbated by a repeated pattern of dishonesty you are too great a liability.Do you believe if Kevin won a NC in his last year, he would have been dismissed, or just received a slap on the wrist?
Yes. Kevin's problem was not a single violation but a pattern of violation and dishonesty about those violations. That's a toxic combination that will always result in a termination.Do you think KO should have been fired, and why?
Ollie straight up lied to investigators, and got caught. That is how you get kicked out of coaching for three years.
I agree with this sentiment. I am told it is my imagination.Or three days at DePaul.
imo, KO was harshly treated for more minor violations. UNC did far worse with no consequences from the NCAA.
This is why contracts exist. Literally this is the point of contracts.I don't think life is all that black & white.
If you had family ties and interests in Philly, but your first love is UConn, is see no reason why you shouldn't blog on a Nova board if you are interested.
Wait, contracts are supposed to limit ignorance? Powerful!This is why contracts exist. Literally this is the point of contracts.
You blog this nonsense?I don't think life is all that black & white.
If you had family ties and interests in Philly, but your first love is UConn, is see no reason why you shouldn't blog on a Nova board if you are interested.
I don't think life is all that black & white.
This is why contracts exist. Literally this is the point of contracts.
If you had family ties and interests in Philly, but your first love is UConn, is see no reason why you shouldn't blog on a Nova board if you are interested.
Uh, first, this isn't a blog but second getting on another team's board and an accusing the school of institutional dishonesty is trolling. I've always found that behavior pitiful.
People keep saying that but the answer is no. The NCAA is not allowed to rule on the content of college classes and never ever will be nor should it be. Once you let them do that it opens every sort of bogeyman.I agree with this sentiment. I am told it is my imagination.
Inflating his misdeeds? He knowingly violated NCAA rules then lied to the University and the NCAA about it. He got a 3 year show cause.So if I agree with your opinions, I am a supportive blog member (though my allegiance is to another school). But if I disagree I am a troll (whom seems to get a name-calling response from CL82 every time, but that's not trolling).
I think UConn's brand has a lot of value and they add to the Big East. "good boy".
I think Hurley is a good hire and he will rebuild successfully. "good boy"
I think KO got screwed by the university and they inflated his misdeeds to reduce his severance pay. "you be a troll".
I have always found name calling in a debate to be weak, pitiful behavior. Why can't we just have different opinions?
My life is pretty good btw.
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