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The best part of all this is a belief that the alternative has to be better.
The alternative can’t be any worse than the reality we see.
And yet for a decade the alternative for UConn football has always been as bad or worse.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
 
Notwithstanding the Maryland game, we have 2 losses with a total point differential of -8, meanwhile we have 2 QBs who have won multiple games against the type of opponents we have to and are expected to beat to have any chance of the Big12 extending us an invite (not holding my breath though). These aren't terrible problems, but I expect better play from our starting QB, and the last 2 weeks that QB has been slow and not performing as well as needed to comfortably win. Our next opponent isn't that much stronger than our last opponent, who we struggled against and trailed for a good portion of the game before a great rushing TD and great catch put us ahead. Evers can't be given the whole game to come into stride...if he is faltering, Mora has to lose the stubbornness for the sake of the team and make a QB change. It's no shame on Evers if that comes to pass, just won't be his day that game and he can try again. 8-4 is a tangible possibility, and I hope we can make that mark.
 
I do not see how more reps solves the inaccuracy problem. Then there is the not seeing open receivers. Also can the QB escape a rush and reset eyes downfield and find someone? Is the QB really a running threat as that is not what I am seeing. Georgia St has a decent defense and we really need to be better at the QB position.
 
Brooklyn NY said:
Fagnano is a 1AA QB, looked great against 1AA talent this year. The Backup QB is seldom the answer.
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To be fair, he looked better than Evers against Buffalo. And since then Evers has looked worse than against Buffalo.

Btw, it is starting to feel a lot like 1963.
 
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Brooklyn NY said:
Fagnano is a 1AA QB, looked great against 1AA talent this year. The Backup QB is seldom the answer.
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I don't think anyone thinks Fagnano is the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, nor is he even a moderately good FBS QB, but it has to be better than what we saw of Evers versus Rice. The WRs are getting frustrated and with good reason. At this point they are simply running wind sprints because when they are open they are not getting the ball consistently.
 
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Keep coming back to a feeling that if we don't give Welliver a shot this year, it will be disastrous for the program long term. We have GA St, FAU, Fruit and UMass left. Should beat FAU and UMass, Cuse we'll be decent dogs, and toss upish with Ga State.

Welliver can play in 3 of them. Which 3 do you pick, or is it completely in game situational? FAU and Umass should be guarantees, Ga St and Cuse both meaningful games, do you put him in a meaningful game to get some pressure, or look for a depressurized situation?
 
gsmooth said:
I don't think anyone thinks Fagnano is the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, nor is he even a moderately good FBS QB, but it has to be better than what we saw of Evers versus Rice. The WRs are getting frustrated and with good reason. At this point they are simply running wind sprints because when they are open they are not getting the ball consistently.
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This. Fagnano is better, not very good, but better. If Evers is rushing the ball for 70+ yards that changes things but he gained -3 yards this week. Our receivers can get open against Rice and the like, that’s Fagnano time.
 
Thought it odd that we were favored when Ga St beat Vandy, BUT Just read SuperHuski scouting report, very promising. Unless Defense dispappears, this one is up to OLine! RB's should be able to make hay with decent blocking, which should open up our (insert prayer)passing game.
 
I was ridiculed over the summer on this very board for saying TRob was a pretty good QB for us. The fact you same people are now throwing Evers under the bus is laughable. You'll never be happy. Really sad to see.
 
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gsmooth said:
I don't think anyone thinks Fagnano is the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, nor is he even a moderately good FBS QB, but it has to be better than what we saw of Evers versus Rice. The WRs are getting frustrated and with good reason. At this point they are simply running wind sprints because when they are open they are not getting the ball consistently.
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Fagnano's got better passing, Evers should have better wheels. Evers is pointless without running so Fagnano should play until Evers can run again
 
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Chin Diesel said:
The best part of all this is a belief that the alternative has to be better.
The alternative can’t be any worse than the reality we see.
And yet for a decade the alternative for UConn football has always been as bad or worse.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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ThabeetDown said:
I was ridiculed over the summer on this very board for saying TRob was a pretty good QB for us. The fact you same people are now throwing Evers under the bus is laughable. You'll never be happy. Really sad to see.
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Case in point.
Turner sucks. Roberson or Fagnano must be better. Roberson gets hurt and Fagnano wasn't good. Evers must be better. Evers sucks, play Fagnano.

Here's a test for this board. Go back over past three seasons. Based on stats, W/L "Eye Test" and quality of opponents, rank the following:
Turner
Roberson
Fagnano
Evers

If you could have any of these QB's finish out this season, who would it be?
 
The coaches work with the players and know more than we do about the day to day, so I trust them; however, I don't understand why they stuck with Evers in the second half of the game. The reaction from the receivers made it clear Evers is losing (maybe already lost) their confidence. Based on what I saw, I would start Fagano this week.
 
BlueandOG said:
The coaches work with the players and know more than we do about the day to day, so I trust them; however, I don't understand why they stuck with Evers in the second half of the game. The reaction from the receivers made it clear Evers is losing (maybe already lost) their confidence. Based on what I saw, I would start Fagano this week.
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The WR body language after some of those Evers' throws was, well, not good.
 
Chin Diesel said:
The WR body language after some of those Evers' throws was, well, not good.
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Yeah, but there were a few too many drops in the first half so I'm not sure the WRs were in position to display negative body language.

Again, I felt we should have changed QBs at halftime but I wasn't consulted. That said, as far as the WRs, those in glass houses....
 
Chin Diesel said:
Case in point.
Turner sucks. Roberson or Fagnano must be better. Roberson gets hurt and Fagnano wasn't good. Evers must be better. Evers sucks, play Fagnano.

Here's a test for this board. Go back over past three seasons. Based on stats, W/L "Eye Test" and quality of opponents, rank the following:
Turner
Roberson
Fagnano
Evers

If you could have any of these QB's finish out this season, who would it be?
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I’ll play. I would think it has to be Roberson and then Fagnano. Fagnano may actually have the better numbers, but Roberson had a pretty good sample size and I think he showed that he could run a little bit and throw a little bit. Probably pretty close between them.

Evers can’t throw and while Turner won some games, I don’t think he ever put up much numbers.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Yeah, but there were a few too many drops in the first half so I'm not sure the WRs were in position to display negative body language.

Again, I felt we should have changed QBs at halftime but I wasn't consulted. That said, as far as the WRs, those in glass houses....
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This!

It was a stinker of a first half by EVERYONE! QB, WRs, OLine, RBs.

The offense found a way to put 17 up on the board in the second half, which is very respectable. Running got better, fewer drops, and we hit on a couple of down field passes as well.

Does the QB play need to be better? Yes.
Is the entire board overreacting that the sky is falling down? Also yes...
 
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UConnDan97 said:
This!

It was a stinker of a first half by EVERYONE! QB, WRs, OLine, RBs.

The offense found a way to put 17 up on the board in the second half, which is very respectable. Running got better, fewer drops, and we hit on a couple of down field passes as well.

Does the QB play need to be better? Yes.
Is the entire board overreacting that the sky is falling down? Also yes...
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Let's see what you have to say after the GAST game.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Case in point.
Turner sucks. Roberson or Fagnano must be better. Roberson gets hurt and Fagnano wasn't good. Evers must be better. Evers sucks, play Fagnano.

Here's a test for this board. Go back over past three seasons. Based on stats, W/L "Eye Test" and quality of opponents, rank the following:
Turner
Roberson
Fagnano
Evers

If you could have any of these QB's finish out this season, who would it be?
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Usually I just guess on this stuff, went to Sports Reference game log to actually do the work.

Stats clearly between Roberson and Fagnano, I choose Fagnano. Best passing stats fewer Int's, none of them run well, although not sure how many sacks they took. Seem to remember Roberson taking off occasionally and running pretty well.

W-L Fagnano/Evers over Turner Roberson(Roberson had worst teams maybe ever) .

Eye test
Zion Turner seemed more confident and sure of himself than Evers appears.
Fagnano knows what he's doing, get excited when he drops back to pass
Roberson probably had more talent and needed another year. Had Roberson stayed he would have made it interesting He's attempted 6 passes and no rushes at K-State this year, who have a good QB in Avery Johnson and could win out and
be near top 10 team.
Evers has an incomplete record, but doesn't inspire me when he's running the team

Rank

Fagnano
Roberson
Turner
Evers-who supposedly has more upside of anyone in this group.

Pretty much what Hoophound said, and he didn't fool around for an hour on "game log"
 
The NCAA has 122 QBs ranked for passing efficiency. Fagnano is 6th. Evers is 121st.

Even taking Merrimack into consideration, pretty much all the QBs listed played a gimme game.

Maybe you stick with Evers vs GaSt because their run defense sucks (although their pass defense sucks too), but I think Mora has to give serious consideration to starting Joe @Syracuse. His game simply suits the situation much better than Evers' does. Cuse is much better defending the run than the pass. And they're at home.
 
storrsroars said:
The NCAA has 122 QBs ranked for passing efficiency. Fagnano is 6th. Evers is 121st.

Even taking Merrimack into consideration, pretty much all the QBs listed played a gimme game.

Maybe you stick with Evers vs GaSt because their run defense sucks (although their pass defense sucks too), but I think Mora has to give serious consideration to starting Joe @Syracuse. His game simply suits the situation much better than Evers' does. Cuse is much better defending the run than the pass. And they're at home.
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I agree with you. But the counter-argument would be that Evers didn't play in any gimme games although the part of the Buffalo game he did play in might have qualified. Thing is, JF did much better than NE in that game although I did like some of the things the NE did.
 
ScottVib said:
Agree.... We're only two months away from people saying the same thing if Fagnano took another meaningful snap at UConn.
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With all due respect. The people that said that were assuming something better would be available. That’s not a difficult assumption to reach.
 
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We have two flawed quarterbacks right now. Despite that we have 5 wins. They don’t give style points in football. At the end of the day the team with the most points wins. I heard someone on the radio talking about the Chiefs. His comment was at this point in the season everyone complains about how a team wins instead of realizing that despite not playing their best football, they still won. I think that applies to us right now. We played poorly the last 2 games. Won both. When was the last time you could say that? With luck our play on offense improves and we get back to winning big.

On the schedule, We haven’t played murder’s row but that is partly a function of the typical annual variance among teams and the how far in advance games are scheduled than anything else. And it is especially true among G5 teams in the portal era. We have games scheduled in 2033 against Army. Anyone care to tell me how Army will be in 2033?
 
freescooter said:
We have two flawed quarterbacks right now. Despite that we have 5 wins. They don’t give style points in football. At the end of the day the team with the most points wins. I heard someone on the radio talking about the Chiefs. His comment was at this point in the season everyone complains about how a team wins instead of realizing that despite not playing their best football, they still won. I think that applies to us right now. We played poorly the last 2 games. Won both. When was the last time you could say that? With luck our play on offense improves and we get back to winning big.

On the schedule, We haven’t played murder’s row but that is partly a function of the typical annual variance among teams and the how far in advance games are scheduled than anything else. And it is especially true among G5 teams in the portal era. We have games scheduled in 2033 against Army. Anyone care to tell me how Army will be in 2033?
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Plays into the Mora believes Evers will break out theory, again hoping for sooner than later.

Army will have a bunch of tough kids in 2033.
 
AllHusky said:
Plays into the Mora believes Evers will break out theory, again hoping for sooner than later.

Army will have a bunch of tough kids in 2033.
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Your theory is based on the incorrect assumption that he is worried about keeping a promise to donors. It’s not the donors… he wants to be viewed as a promise keeper in the portal space. Which goes a long way. But in terms of giving your team the best opportunity to win its walking a tightrope.

I think he’ll play Evers through the end of this season and move on after that.
 
Evers might be a great practice player. Mora said he had a very good week leading up to Rice. But there is a huge difference when the lights come on. It's the difference between the driving range and the golf course. Hopefully, practice will start to translate to the game field.

This Friday's game will make a big difference in how we judge this team.
 
ZooCougar said:
Your theory is based on the incorrect assumption that he is worried about keeping a promise to donors. It’s not the donors… he wants to be viewed as a promise keeper in the portal space. Which goes a long way. But in terms of giving your team the best opportunity to win its walking a tightrope.

I think he’ll play Evers through the end of this season and move on after that.
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I don’t believe that he is keeping a promise to donors, that supposedly comes from press conference interpretations by others. I think he is a responsible coach who wants to win, and is taking a risk that Evers will turn out to be a lightning rod.
 
AllHusky said:
Army will have a bunch of tough kids in 2033.
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But will they have good football players? Or a coach who can be successful there? Nobody knows what they’ll be in 10 years. Their team and ours too are in Elementary and middle school today.
 
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