QB controversy/ies?

[UConnDan97]

Could be but given some of the examples using Boyle are off. Boyle always had NFL arm. NE doesn't have NFL arm or NFL legs (if he does he's hiding it well). Sure, guys can all of a sudden get lot better but usually have some "super thing" that need to harness. Sandy Koufax and Rod Guidry both became "instant" star pitchers because they had all the tools (even HOF level tools) and just needed to harness to the strike zone.

Keep coming back to 2 years of P4 practice and half season of starting and looked like this. UConn won 6 games a couple of years ago with freshman QB who looks like a career college backup, so getting 5 to 8 wins with mostly NE will be in spite of him, not because of him. NE is ranked #121 out of 122 in FBS passing efficiency stats, hard to be that bad.

There is something fundamentally wrong with NE related to accuracy and touch, if Mora and company haven't made it better as of know, why not? They have endless tape, computer imaging tools, a QB coach and time to work against problems. We talk about how "tough" Temple defense is, look at how many points they gave up yesterday (to East Carolina).

This season is already a success to me, so getting to 6 to 9 wins will be a bonus. Mora can do all the "he just needs reps" coach speak as long as he gets a better QB for next year (be it one of the young kids or from the portal).

And when did he develop his "NFL arm"? Was it at Xavier High School?? Before that???

Again, people develop at different rates and achieve different heights. And nobody can say where the ceiling is for anyone. We need better from both Evers and Fagnano. We may not get it. Or we may get it next week...

 

[giddyup]

Could be but given some of the examples using Boyle are off. Boyle always had NFL arm. NE doesn't have NFL arm or NFL legs (if he does he's hiding it well). Sure, guys can all of a sudden get lot better but usually have some "super thing" that need to harness. Sandy Koufax and Rod Guidry both became "instant" star pitchers because they had all the tools (even HOF level tools) and just needed to harness to the strike zone.

Keep coming back to 2 years of P4 practice and half season of starting and looked like this. UConn won 6 games a couple of years ago with freshman QB who looks like a career college backup, so getting 5 to 8 wins with mostly NE will be in spite of him, not because of him. NE is ranked #121 out of 122 in FBS passing efficiency stats, hard to be that bad.

There is something fundamentally wrong with NE related to accuracy and touch, if Mora and company haven't made it better as of know, why not? They have endless tape, computer imaging tools, a QB coach and time to work against problems. We talk about how "tough" Temple defense is, look at how many points they gave up yesterday (to East Carolina).

This season is already a success to me, so getting to 6 to 9 wins will be a bonus. Mora can do all the "he just needs reps" coach speak as long as he gets a better QB for next year (be it one of the young kids or from the portal).

If Mora is trying to build something meaningful, he has to get to a new high water mark of 7 wins or more. You find the guy that best gets you there and you make hard choices which means cutting the cord on NE. Kid has nothing to offer and isn’t getting better. Maybe he’s hurt, but whatever the case you put players on the field that help you win.

 

[RSTuthill]

He’s 6’6 225lbs.. Consistency?

We know he has a good arm. He is listed at 6-7 220 now. Not sure I buy the 220 as he looks thin to me. He has had long enough to learn the playbook, so we are left with consistency by process of elimination. The same disease as the others.

 

[UConnDan97]

We know he has a good arm. He is listed at 6-7 220 now. Not sure I buy the 220 as he looks thin to me. He has had long enough to learn the playbook, so we are left with consistency by process of elimination. The same disease as the others.

Do you know what 220 looks like on 6'7"??? He SHOULD look thin.

I'm 208 and I'm 5'9"...

 

[CL82]

Fagnano is no great shakes, but undoubtedly gives us the best chance to actually win a ballgame, which, when I last checked, was the objective. I get sticking with a guy to build reps and confidence but there is nothing there that even suggests he has something to offer.

This is where I'm at. That said, I usually don't have a strong preference between the two of them. Although, yesterday heading into halftime, I sure did.

 

[CL82]

To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the off season.

Well, that was pretty much my thought process about Fagnano prior to the Merrimack game. Things change and he may be a different looking kid if completely healthy. That said, I'll probably be quietly rooting for Welliver to get the starting nod next year during the off-season.

 

[businesslawyer]

This is where I'm at. That said, I usually don't have a strong preference between the two of them. Although, yesterday heading into halftime, I sure did.

Even if you think Evers had earned a clear #1, not making a change at halftime Saturday with the entire offense looking so incompetent was a sign of real stubbornness.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Even if you think Evers had earned a clear #1, not making a change at halftime Saturday with the entire offense looking so incompetent was a sign of real stubbornness.

Unlike what A&M did Saturday might against LSU.

 

[noeynox]

Even if you think Evers had earned a clear #1, not making a change at halftime Saturday with the entire offense looking so incompetent was a sign of real stubbornness.

A like isnt enough for this post. It gives me real pause with Mora sticking with this kid like this. 9-24 with so many misses of open receivers is concerning. Whether it is injury or confidence, the kid is regressing on gameday. Last week, because they trailed all game he had a chance to throw a ton and picked up a lot of his passing yards in the 4th.

 

[CL82]

Even if you think Evers had earned a clear #1, not making a change at halftime Saturday with the entire offense looking so incompetent was a sign of real stubbornness.

Perhaps, and yet, staying the course resulted in a W. If stubbornness is successful, does it become steadfastness?

(Again, I was definitely screaming for a change, but the result is the result. Now, I'm sure there are some who say "Well we would've won by even more if the switch had been made to Fagnano." I'd respectfully remind them that that is a guess, not a fact. The fact is we stayed with Evers and won.)

 

[Chin Diesel]

The best part of all this is a belief that the alternative has to be better.
The alternative can’t be any worse than the reality we see.
And yet for a decade the alternative for UConn football has always been as bad or worse.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[KryHavok]

Notwithstanding the Maryland game, we have 2 losses with a total point differential of -8, meanwhile we have 2 QBs who have won multiple games against the type of opponents we have to and are expected to beat to have any chance of the Big12 extending us an invite (not holding my breath though). These aren't terrible problems, but I expect better play from our starting QB, and the last 2 weeks that QB has been slow and not performing as well as needed to comfortably win. Our next opponent isn't that much stronger than our last opponent, who we struggled against and trailed for a good portion of the game before a great rushing TD and great catch put us ahead. Evers can't be given the whole game to come into stride...if he is faltering, Mora has to lose the stubbornness for the sake of the team and make a QB change. It's no shame on Evers if that comes to pass, just won't be his day that game and he can try again. 8-4 is a tangible possibility, and I hope we can make that mark.

 

[Brooklyn NY]

Fagnano is a 1AA QB, looked great against 1AA talent this year. The Backup QB is seldom the answer.

 

[jdb50]

I do not see how more reps solves the inaccuracy problem. Then there is the not seeing open receivers. Also can the QB escape a rush and reset eyes downfield and find someone? Is the QB really a running threat as that is not what I am seeing. Georgia St has a decent defense and we really need to be better at the QB position.

 

[RSTuthill]

Fagnano is a 1AA QB, looked great against 1AA talent this year. The Backup QB is seldom the answer.

To be fair, he looked better than Evers against Buffalo. And since then Evers has looked worse than against Buffalo.

Btw, it is starting to feel a lot like 1963.

 

[gsmooth]

Fagnano is a 1AA QB, looked great against 1AA talent this year. The Backup QB is seldom the answer.

I don't think anyone thinks Fagnano is the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, nor is he even a moderately good FBS QB, but it has to be better than what we saw of Evers versus Rice. The WRs are getting frustrated and with good reason. At this point they are simply running wind sprints because when they are open they are not getting the ball consistently.

 

[AllHusky]

Keep coming back to a feeling that if we don't give Welliver a shot this year, it will be disastrous for the program long term. We have GA St, FAU, Fruit and UMass left. Should beat FAU and UMass, Cuse we'll be decent dogs, and toss upish with Ga State.

Welliver can play in 3 of them. Which 3 do you pick, or is it completely in game situational? FAU and Umass should be guarantees, Ga St and Cuse both meaningful games, do you put him in a meaningful game to get some pressure, or look for a depressurized situation?

 

[Hoophound]

I don't think anyone thinks Fagnano is the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, nor is he even a moderately good FBS QB, but it has to be better than what we saw of Evers versus Rice. The WRs are getting frustrated and with good reason. At this point they are simply running wind sprints because when they are open they are not getting the ball consistently.

This. Fagnano is better, not very good, but better. If Evers is rushing the ball for 70+ yards that changes things but he gained -3 yards this week. Our receivers can get open against Rice and the like, that’s Fagnano time.

 

[AllHusky]

Thought it odd that we were favored when Ga St beat Vandy, BUT Just read SuperHuski scouting report, very promising. Unless Defense dispappears, this one is up to OLine! RB's should be able to make hay with decent blocking, which should open up our (insert prayer)passing game.

 

[ThabeetDown]

I was ridiculed over the summer on this very board for saying TRob was a pretty good QB for us. The fact you same people are now throwing Evers under the bus is laughable. You'll never be happy. Really sad to see.

 

[Patman]

I don't think anyone thinks Fagnano is the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, nor is he even a moderately good FBS QB, but it has to be better than what we saw of Evers versus Rice. The WRs are getting frustrated and with good reason. At this point they are simply running wind sprints because when they are open they are not getting the ball consistently.

Fagnano's got better passing, Evers should have better wheels. Evers is pointless without running so Fagnano should play until Evers can run again

 

[BlueandOG]

To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the off season.

Pump the brakes.

 

[Chin Diesel]

The best part of all this is a belief that the alternative has to be better.
The alternative can’t be any worse than the reality we see.
And yet for a decade the alternative for UConn football has always been as bad or worse.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

I was ridiculed over the summer on this very board for saying TRob was a pretty good QB for us. The fact you same people are now throwing Evers under the bus is laughable. You'll never be happy. Really sad to see.

Case in point.
Turner sucks. Roberson or Fagnano must be better. Roberson gets hurt and Fagnano wasn't good. Evers must be better. Evers sucks, play Fagnano.

Here's a test for this board. Go back over past three seasons. Based on stats, W/L "Eye Test" and quality of opponents, rank the following:
Turner
Roberson
Fagnano
Evers

If you could have any of these QB's finish out this season, who would it be?

 

[BlueandOG]

The coaches work with the players and know more than we do about the day to day, so I trust them; however, I don't understand why they stuck with Evers in the second half of the game. The reaction from the receivers made it clear Evers is losing (maybe already lost) their confidence. Based on what I saw, I would start Fagano this week.

 

[Chin Diesel]

The coaches work with the players and know more than we do about the day to day, so I trust them; however, I don't understand why they stuck with Evers in the second half of the game. The reaction from the receivers made it clear Evers is losing (maybe already lost) their confidence. Based on what I saw, I would start Fagano this week.

The WR body language after some of those Evers' throws was, well, not good.