QB controversy/ies?

[Bubba1957]

It’s most important that a QB can get the ball to skilled players. That means the forward pass (think Tom Brady). It’s not unimportant that a QB can run (think Mike Vick), but less than passing. Unfortunately, at this point, Evers hasn’t shown ability to do either at an average level. Also at this point, Fagnano has shown he can pass better and run almost as well.

 

[RSTuthill]

The only controversy that exists is between the fans. It is clear who the head coach prefers. If he didn't make a move tonight, he has not intention of doing so. It may happen, but he clearly is isn't leaning that way.

To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the off season.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the office season.

I think Cole beats him next summer, and like most of us you are addicted.

But for a little context, this is just Evers' 6th college start. In a season where he keeps getting his bell rung. I have wanted to see Cole get a shot since the open practice, but Evers isn't in his 5th season. He might look a lot better in year two (again, I think Cole may have more upside).

 

[NowInStorrs]

To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the office season.

I thought the same thing about Fagnano this year but here we are and I'd prefer to see Fagnano in there. Either way, I completely agree on the portal. The nice thing is if we can get 7-8 wins then maybe getting a QB in the portal gets easier.

 

[Bongo Fury]

What I have noticed is teams play QBs like Cole if they are absolutely better, others are injured or out of desperation of a struggling team. Tim Boyle?

 

[RSTuthill]

I thought the same thing about Fagnano this year but here we are and I'd prefer to see Fagnano in there. Either way, I completely agree on the portal. The nice thing is if we can get 7-8 wins then maybe getting a QB in the portal gets easier.

I had the same thought. Add to that: win a bowl game.

 

[RSTuthill]

I think Cole beats him next summer, and like most of us you are addicted.

I am and I am not. We buy tix one game at a time as our schedule fits, and will leave before the end of the game if the frustration builds or we get cold (both happened today).

The discussion here is usually collegial and respectful, so investing a half hour a day in the BY is a form of recreation, I suppose. But on occasion I do leave for extended periods.

 

[RSTuthill]

What I have noticed is teams play QBs like Cole if they are absolutely better, others are injured or out of desperation of a struggling team. Tim Boyle?

Cole isn't yet built ruggedly enough to take the pounding he is gonna get at this level. Let's see how he bulks up and develops his consistency before he gets thrown into the fire. For that matter, NE looks a bit lightly built to me ... which may be why he is so fast.

 

[Patman]

Fagnano is no great shakes, but undoubtedly gives us the best chance to actually win a ballgame, which, when I last checked, was the objective. I get sticking with a guy to build reps and confidence but there is nothing there that even suggests he has something to offer.

If Evers cannot throw and cannot run he is worthless. We just went through this the last two years.

 

[Jacks5556]

Cole isn't yet built ruggedly enough to take the pounding he is gonna get at this level. Let's see how he bulks up and develops his consistency before he gets thrown into the fire. For that matter, NE looks a bit lightly built to me ... which may be why he is so fast.

He’s 6’6 225lbs.. Consistency?

 

[Husky68]

Getting more game reps doesn't make you a more accurate passer, how much better passer did Bones get. That is NE's comp.

 

[UConnDan97]

Getting more game reps doesn't make you a more accurate passer, how much better passer did Bones get. That is NE's comp.

Did Tim Boyle get a little better after that first bad year at UConn? He got "NFL better".

I don't know if Evers should start next week. Today was a bad game from him. But the idea that he "is what he is" at this point in his football career is also not necessarily true either...

 

[Hoophound]

Did Tim Boyle get a little better after that first bad year at UConn? He got "NFL better".

I don't know if Evers should start next week. Today was a bad game from him. But the idea that he "is what he is" at this point in his football career is also not necessarily true either...

I understand this was only his 6th start but he’d been practicing with P4 conference teams for two years before arriving. That definitely counts for quite a bit. A good QB talent is generally ready to start by year 3. He’s 21 years old.

Anyway, my expectations on his development curve are pretty low at this point. It’s possible, but I’m guessing what we see is just about all we’re gonna get.

 

[UConnDan97]

I understand this was only his 6th start but he’s been practicing with P4 conference teams for two years before arriving. That definitely counts for quite a bit. A good QB talent is generally ready to start by year 3. He’s 21 years old.

Anyway, my expectations on his development curve are pretty low at this point. It’s possible, but I’m guessing what we see is just about all we’re gonna get.

Again, I'll point to Boyle. Did anyone think he'd be a solid pro after his time at UConn OR Eastern Kentucky??

My comment isn't just about Evers. It's also about Welliver too. QB development (like any other skill in the world) is not always a straight line and is not always predictable. Folks should try to keep that in mind when they try to "diagnose" the future of anyone else...

 

[Bubba1957]

Again, I'll point to Boyle. Did anyone think he'd be a solid pro after his time at UConn OR Eastern Kentucky??

My comment isn't just about Evers. It's also about Welliver too. QB development (like any other skill in the world) is not always a straight line and is not always predictable. Folks should try to keep that in mind when they try to "diagnose" the future of anyone else...

First time I saw Boyle, I thought he was our version of Matt Ryan. Great release, tight spirals and the ball jumped out of his hand. He was never the same at UConn after his first game. I’m no football genius, but his raw ability was evident.
To be honest, we haven’t seen those nuggets of hope coming from Nick. Maybe he’s banged up, I just know the ball doesn’t look great coming out and he’s not accurate.

 

[JMick]

Again, I'll point to Boyle. Did anyone think he'd be a solid pro after his time at UConn OR Eastern Kentucky??

My comment isn't just about Evers. It's also about Welliver too. QB development (like any other skill in the world) is not always a straight line and is not always predictable. Folks should try to keep that in mind when they try to "diagnose" the future of anyone else...

Boyle is really good at holding a clipboard. He's not really a good quarterback. There are plenty of guys in every professional league that are on rosters because of potential or because they do other things well besides produce on the field.

 

[HuskiesFan1014]

Cole isn't yet built ruggedly enough to take the pounding he is gonna get at this level. Let's see how he bulks up and develops his consistency before he gets thrown into the fire. For that matter, NE looks a bit lightly built to me ... which may be why he is so fast.

He wasn't fast last night. And that was us yelling "Fagnano" from 123 all game long.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Whatever it takes in the transfer portal, UConn needs to find a QB who can run the RPO and hit the slant.

 

[LIUCHusky]

Boyle is really good at holding a clipboard. He's not really a good quarterback. There are plenty of guys in every professional league that are on rosters because of potential or because they do other things well besides produce on the field.

He is a good enough QB to have taken snaps in the NFL. I don’t know what your definition of a “good” QB is but in my world any QB in the NFL is a good quarterback.

 

[Hoophound]

Again, I'll point to Boyle. Did anyone think he'd be a solid pro after his time at UConn OR Eastern Kentucky??

My comment isn't just about Evers. It's also about Welliver too. QB development (like any other skill in the world) is not always a straight line and is not always predictable. Folks should try to keep that in mind when they try to "diagnose" the future of anyone else...

I understand and I know what you mean. However, he’s 21. He can’t throw accurately and the ball lacks zip. He isn’t Pat White with his feet either. He just doesn’t appear to be the guy.

In your defense, we just saw Jordan Travis put things together at FSU for two great seasons after a long haul getting there. It’s certainly possible. However, Travis is built like a pro wrestler compared to Evers.

 

[noeynox]

Whatever it takes in the transfer portal, UConn needs to find a QB who can run the RPO and hit the slant.

Simple explanation of what we need.

 

[UCan3]

If Evers cannot throw and cannot run he is worthless. We just went through this the last two years.

I think our record would be the same with Roberson right now, They are similar except Roberson would not run the ball. Accuracy downfield, advantage T’Quan but no one was open last year. W/upgraded receivers this year - I see the team sitting at 5-3.

What the team needs is sitting on the bench - Joe and later this season I would love to see Cole.

 

[UConnDan97]

Boyle is really good at holding a clipboard. He's not really a good quarterback. There are plenty of guys in every professional league that are on rosters because of potential or because they do other things well besides produce on the field.

So your stance is that he is not a "backup level pro", but that he's somehow tricked 6 different pro teams to pay him to hold a clipboard.

Cool...

 

[UConnDan97]

I understand and I know what you mean. However, he’s 21. He can’t throw accurately and the ball lacks zip. He isn’t Pat White with his feet either. He just doesn’t appear to be the guy.

In your defense, we just saw Jordan Travis at FSU put things together at FSU for two great seasons after a long haul getting there. It’s certainly possible. However, Travis is built like a pro wrestler compared to Evers.

But again... the breakthrough can happen this year. Or next year. Or never. There is no magic age or even body type (see Drew Brees) that determines when a QB becomes successful...

 

[Husky68]

Did Tim Boyle get a little better after that first bad year at UConn? He got "NFL better".

I don't know if Evers should start next week. Today was a bad game from him. But the idea that he "is what he is" at this point in his football career is also not necessarily true either...

Could be but given some of the examples using Boyle are off. Boyle always had NFL arm. NE doesn't have NFL arm or NFL legs (if he does he's hiding it well). Sure, guys can all of a sudden get lot better but usually have some "super thing" that need to harness. Sandy Koufax and Rod Guidry both became "instant" star pitchers because they had all the tools (even HOF level tools) and just needed to harness to the strike zone.

Keep coming back to 2 years of P4 practice and half season of starting and looked like this. UConn won 6 games a couple of years ago with freshman QB who looks like a career college backup, so getting 5 to 8 wins with mostly NE will be in spite of him, not because of him. NE is ranked #121 out of 122 in FBS passing efficiency stats, hard to be that bad.

There is something fundamentally wrong with NE related to accuracy and touch, if Mora and company haven't made it better as of know, why not? They have endless tape, computer imaging tools, a QB coach and time to work against problems. We talk about how "tough" Temple defense is, look at how many points they gave up yesterday (to East Carolina).

This season is already a success to me, so getting to 6 to 9 wins will be a bonus. Mora can do all the "he just needs reps" coach speak as long as he gets a better QB for next year (be it one of the young kids or from the portal).