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After watching the Wake postgame thread devolve into a JF vs NE discussion, I'm reminded of a similar controversy about 50 years ago. The Washington Redskins (for that was indeed their name) had two veteran quarterbacks in Sonny Jurgenson and Billy Kilmer. The fandom was divided as to whom should start, and burgundy and gold bumper stickers reading "I like Sonny" and "I like Billy" began to show up on cars throughout the DC metropolitan area. There were even a few "I like Joe" stickers as well, advocating for third string QB Joe Theisman, then mostly a punt returner who later led the 'Skins to two Super Bowls.

Anyone have a recollection of a similar controversy, NFL or otherwise?
 
Steve UConn72 said:
After watching the Wake postgame thread devolve into a JF vs NE discussion, I'm reminded of a similar controversy about 50 years ago. The Washington Redskins (for that was indeed their name) had two veteran quarterbacks in Sonny Jurgenson and Billy Kilmer. The fandom was divided as to whom should start, and burgundy and gold bumper stickers reading "I like Sonny" and "I like Billy" began to show up on cars throughout the DC metropolitan area. There were even a few "I like Joe" stickers as well, advocating for third string QB Joe Theisman, then mostly a punt returner who later led the 'Skins to two Super Bowls.

Anyone have a recollection of a similar controversy, NFL or otherwise?
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Patriots, every year since TB12 left.
 
There have been a ton of them in my lifetime.

Joe Kapp-Gary Cuozzo in Minnesota in the late 1960's

Craig Morton-Roger Staubach (actually alternated for a lot of 1969 & 1970) in Dallas.

Randy Johnson-Bob Lee in Atlanta in the early 1970's.

Steelers very briefly in the early 1970's with the two Terry's (Bradshaw-Hanratty), the Joe Gilliam was thrown in the mix.

When the Raiders had Lamonica, Blanda and Stabler.

Jets briefly with Richard Todd-Matt Robinson late 1970's

Dolphins with Wood-Strock (David Woodley-Don Strock) which ended when they drafted Marino.

Vikings again (late 1980's) with Tommy Kramer-Wade Wilson.

I know there's more. May add some later.
 
Steve UConn72 said:
After watching the Wake postgame thread devolve into a JF vs NE discussion, I'm reminded of a similar controversy about 50 years ago. The Washington Redskins (for that was indeed their name) had two veteran quarterbacks in Sonny Jurgenson and Billy Kilmer. The fandom was divided as to whom should start, and burgundy and gold bumper stickers reading "I like Sonny" and "I like Billy" began to show up on cars throughout the DC metropolitan area. There were even a few "I like Joe" stickers as well, advocating for third string QB Joe Theisman, then mostly a punt returner who later led the 'Skins to two Super Bowls.

Anyone have a recollection of a similar controversy, NFL or otherwise?
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Theisman returned punts in the NFL?
 
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Just about every team every year, particularly after a loss.

Can u remember a year here w/o one?
 
AllHusky said:
Theisman returned punts in the NFL?
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I had to check to be sure my memory was still sharp, but in 1974 (I think his first year after coming down from the CFL) he returned 15 punts for 157 yards (10.5 yards per return) with a long of 44. As I recall, he just wanted to contribute and volunteered to return punts. One year (1970), the 'Skins had a punt returner named Ricky Harris, who averaged less than a yard per return. The joke was he could have caught the ball and fallen forward and done better than that.
 
stick with upside and overall ability. Evers should be the quarterback going forward unless something happens.
 
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Honestly I think it's a crapshoot on who would play better on any given they. JF passes better but NE makes the offense more dynamic.

In truth, I don't think it matters much. This is an OLine, running team.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Steelers very briefly in the early 1970's with the two Terry's (Bradshaw-Hanratty), the Joe Gilliam was thrown in the mix.
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Too bad it wasn't 3 Terrys. Would love to have seen Monty Python's Terry Gilliam in the QB mix.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
Too bad it wasn't 3 Terrys. Would love to have seen Monty Python's Terry Gilliam in the QB mix.
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The Python's also had two Terry's. At least Gilliam (the lone American) would have known what a quarterback was.
 
Steve UConn72 said:
After watching the Wake postgame thread devolve into a JF vs NE discussion, I'm reminded of a similar controversy about 50 years ago. The Washington Redskins (for that was indeed their name) had two veteran quarterbacks in Sonny Jurgenson and Billy Kilmer. The fandom was divided as to whom should start, and burgundy and gold bumper stickers reading "I like Sonny" and "I like Billy" began to show up on cars throughout the DC metropolitan area. There were even a few "I like Joe" stickers as well, advocating for third string QB Joe Theisman, then mostly a punt returner who later led the 'Skins to two Super Bowls.

Anyone have a recollection of a similar controversy, NFL or otherwise?
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So by your analogy, Cole Welliver is Joe Theisman!
 
Steve UConn72 said:
I had to check to be sure my memory was still sharp, but in 1974 (I think his first year after coming down from the CFL) he returned 15 punts for 157 yards (10.5 yards per return) with a long of 44. As I recall, he just wanted to contribute and volunteered to return punts. One year (1970), the 'Skins had a punt returner named Ricky Harris, who averaged less than a yard per return. The joke was he could have caught the ball and fallen forward and done better than that.
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Theisman played for our archrival HS in NJ, tiny South River HS, He was pronounced Theezman then. They had another pretty good QB named Drew Pearson who later played wr for the Cowboys I believe. Great fb program, tiny blue collar town.
 
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The controversy exists because Mora thinks they can run without any semblance of a passing attack. UConn's offense and running were best when Fagnano was effective throwing (short and deep). Now, no passing threat makes it easier to smother running attempts.
 
Fagnano is no great shakes, but undoubtedly gives us the best chance to actually win a ballgame, which, when I last checked, was the objective. I get sticking with a guy to build reps and confidence but there is nothing there that even suggests he has something to offer.
 
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It’s most important that a QB can get the ball to skilled players. That means the forward pass (think Tom Brady). It’s not unimportant that a QB can run (think Mike Vick), but less than passing. Unfortunately, at this point, Evers hasn’t shown ability to do either at an average level. Also at this point, Fagnano has shown he can pass better and run almost as well.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
The only controversy that exists is between the fans. It is clear who the head coach prefers. If he didn't make a move tonight, he has not intention of doing so. It may happen, but he clearly is isn't leaning that way.
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To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the off season.
 
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RSTuthill said:
To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the office season.
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I think Cole beats him next summer, and like most of us you are addicted.

But for a little context, this is just Evers' 6th college start. In a season where he keeps getting his bell rung. I have wanted to see Cole get a shot since the open practice, but Evers isn't in his 5th season. He might look a lot better in year two (again, I think Cole may have more upside).
 
RSTuthill said:
To that point, if Evers is the guy next year I will disengage completely. They need to go to the portal in the office season.
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I thought the same thing about Fagnano this year but here we are and I'd prefer to see Fagnano in there. Either way, I completely agree on the portal. The nice thing is if we can get 7-8 wins then maybe getting a QB in the portal gets easier.
 
What I have noticed is teams play QBs like Cole if they are absolutely better, others are injured or out of desperation of a struggling team. Tim Boyle?
 
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