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I have felt that way all week. Even moreso because I have a feeling we see Hopkins Sunday which will be an extra spark for them. It will be exactly like you said. We have been starting games well lately, if we can snuff this one early we are in for a relaxing Sunday, they will roll over. If not it will be a stressful day as they chuck a ton of threes that shouldnt go in, but will. Plus Corey Floyd only really shows out these days against UConn. I watch a lot of their games and his career is puzzling thus far. Kid is strong, a good rebounder, decent driver, decent passer, plays hard but cant seem to put it all together, except looks like a 2nd team all league player against UConn.

Hurley know this better than anyone and has been bemoaning the lack of killer instinct after both the Butler and DePaul games. Flirt with that stuff too much and at some point it will bite you. It can't be Sunday.
I agree that Floyd looks like he should be a better player. He looked like a warrior in high school. My fear about him was that he dominated because he was physically mature but didn't show a great outside shot. But in games I've seen him play at Providence he seems to have an okay shot, but he seems disinterested against teams not UConn. He's really the only guy in that transfer class that I rooted against since he came to UConn knowing he was going to sit and then went to a conference foe and I continue to root against his success. I thought Akok Akok was wrong for going to G'Town but he at least needed to move on.

If Hopkins doesn't play against UConn, and can count this year as a redshirt, I wouldn't be surprised if he shuts it down for the year. It's selfish, but playing could only hurt him. The team is bad, he isn't looking like a big NBA prospect this year, and he could save a year of NIL from another program (and he probably already got a bunch from Providence this year).

People talk about how NIL and transfers no longer needing to sit out a year has made it much easier for a new coach to turn around a program. They don't talk as much about how those same developments can derail a program (and its coach) just as quickly. Kim English could be headed for trouble.
 

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I agree that Floyd looks like he should be a better player. He looked like a warrior in high school. My fear about him was that he dominated because he was physically mature but didn't show a great outside shot. But in games I've seen him play at Providence he seems to have an okay shot, but he seems disinterested against teams not UConn. He's really the only guy in that transfer class that I rooted against since he came to UConn knowing he was going to sit and then went to a conference foe and I continue to root against his success. I thought Akok Akok was wrong for going to G'Town but he at least needed to move on.

If Hopkins doesn't play against UConn, and can count this year as a redshirt, I wouldn't be surprised if he shuts it down for the year. It's selfish, but playing could only hurt him. The team is bad, he isn't looking like a big NBA prospect this year, and he could save a year of NIL from another program (and he probably already got a bunch from Providence this year).

People talk about how NIL and transfers no longer needing to sit out a year has made it much easier for a new coach to turn around a program. They don't talk as much about how those same developments can derail a program (and its coach) just as quickly. Kim English could be headed for trouble.

Yeah you have a pretty good take on that. Im not sure Hopkins is able to redshirt, hard to sort out what any rules actually are these days. But if he can, I don't think you see him at PC next year no matter what. You're not wrong about English, he preached getting "13 dudes" after having obvious depth issues last year past Carter and Oduro, and from all accounts was given a pretty fat checkbook to get some players out of the portal. It seems that they are all misses to varying degrees.

Essandoko is a disaster and is pretty much benched and was supposed to be their starting center. Abdur-Rahim not getting much run now, was supposed to be a lights out three guy but hes not making them at a good clip and is so soft in other aspects of the game he is virtually unplayable. Wes Cardet was talked up as a big scorer that they were looking to maybe be a lead scorer, but his overall floor game is wildly inconsistent. He has some good flashes but overall has been disappointing to this point. However his style of play is one that fits the Memphis/Colorado mode of attack against us, so he possibly could cause some issues Sunday. Hard to keep from the rim one on one. Bensley Joseph is the 4th portal guy and to my eye the only one who has delivered anything to PC from the portal, been decent, but its not like hes setting the world on fire either, just more or less a serviceable guard along with Pierre.

That's a lot of swings and misses, and while that can happen and does happen (not every portal player turns out like Cam Spencer as we well know) , that is when floor coaching gets put in the spotlight, and thus far English, while taking accountability for the poor play, has looked like a deer in the headlights at times, and doesn't seem to be adjusting the team away from what they are failing at and making adjustments. THAT is where a coach butters his bread. I won't entirely write off their season yet, it is almost a annual Providence tradition that they are pretty bad OOC and in early season and then amass some wins in the middle of conference season. This year feels different and its hard to see them turning around something this bad (losing 7 of 9) but things happen. Nova seems to be turning it around a bit this season. English is a young guy with a good energy and seems to be a good recruiter, so he can afford a bad year, but he will definitely be under a microscope next season if this season plays out how it's feeling.
 
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Samson had 3, 3, 2 and 4 total rebounds in the last 4 games. That's on him. But that's ok, he also has stayed away from foul trouble in the last few games. I would normally take that trade of, but now without Liam we are going to need our center to collect more rebounds than our point guard. I think that is a fair expectation to have.
Sure, but he wasn't in the lineup to get rebounds.
 

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Yeah. That last title really pushed him off the ledge, didn’t it?
I can’t say if it is accurate or not, but he says he gets modded here and if he posts they are all subject to moderator approval and sit for days before approval, if at all. FarmerJ is one of a kind, but not a bad dude for a PC fan. He posted here for years and seemed to put up with all the abuse any opposing fan has coming his way when they post on the boneyard , so his story may have credence . But maybe the back to backs did break him, could be possible too. Plus at this point he has to be really old. . Maybe he cant see the screen any more. Working the south county farms for a good portion of life takes its toll.
 
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I can’t say if it is accurate or not, but he says he gets modded here and if he posts they are all subject to moderator approval and sit for days before approval, if at all. FarmerJ is one of a kind, but not a bad dude for a PC fan. He posted here for years and seemed to put up with all the abuse any opposing fan has coming his way when they post on the boneyard , so his story may have credence . But maybe the back to backs did break him, could be possible too. Plus at this point he has to be really old. . Maybe he cant see the screen any more. Working the south county farms for a good portion of life takes its toll.
I don’t know about any of that. His posts got more and more angry, we won again and he doesn’t post anymore.
 

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If Hopkins doesn't play against UConn, and can count this year as a redshirt, I wouldn't be surprised if he shuts it down for the year. It's selfish, but playing could only hurt him. The team is bad, he isn't looking like a big NBA prospect this year, and he could save a year of NIL from another program (and he probably already got a bunch from Providence this year).

People talk about how NIL and transfers no longer needing to sit out a year has made it much easier for a new coach to turn around a program. They don't talk as much about how those same developments can derail a program (and its coach) just as quickly. Kim English could be headed for trouble.

You could well be right on this and if so, I wish him the best. He is exceptional in so many ways. Reminds me of Eric Dixson in this regard. These kind of guys are always nightmares for opposing coaches. They play at such a consistent rate in all facets
when they are on the floor.
 
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Samson had 3, 3, 2 and 4 total rebounds in the last 4 games. That's on him. But that's ok, he also has stayed away from foul trouble in the last few games. I would normally take that trade of, but now without Liam we are going to need our center to collect more rebounds than our point guard. I think that is a fair expectation to have.
Great post!

Not sure why there are expectations for Samson to rebound more. He is not a physical presence and he doesn’t have the hands. He is a change of pace center who is also not a reliable rim protector and asking him to do more exacerbates the defensive liabilities in the backcourt. Tarris is that physical presence and needs to start now and when Liam returns to minimize the rebounding/rim protection liabilities.
 
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PC has lost 7 of their last 9, is 314th in the country in scoring and bottom 20% in many statistical categories. They are a bad basketball team.
 
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PC has lost 7 of their last 9, is 314th in the country in scoring and bottom 20% in many statistical categories. They are a bad basketball team.

But as we all know and have seen “UConn” being on the other jersey, these “bad” players find their one A game for the year. Always be prepared for unexpected hero coming out after averaging 4.2 a game. And without Liam we don’t have the rhythm on offense that we see with him on the court.

This one won’t be easy it’s just the norm!
 
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But as we all know and have seen “UConn” being on the other jersey, these “bad” players find their one A game for the year. Always be prepared for unexpected hero coming out after averaging 4.2 a game. And without Liam we don’t have the rhythm on offense that we see with him on the court.

This one won’t be easy it’s just the norm!
Historically Providence has usually been a rock fight. As
long as we we win this likely rock fight tomorrow all will be ok. For medical reason I am not allowed alcohol so I will forced to wash down my by standard game food of chicken wings and shrimp on sticks with do not tell anyone with make believe “beer”. I am ashamed. My wife who loved to have shrimp during UCONN BB games passed away so I have shrimp in addition to chicken wings in her honor.
 
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Historically Providence has usually been a rock fight. As
long as we we win this likely rock fight tomorrow all will be ok. For medical reason I am not allowed alcohol so I will forced to wash down my by standard game food of chicken wings and shrimp sticks with do tell anyone with make believe “beer”.

Won’t be an easy game for you then either best of luck fighting those Bud Zeroes!
 
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Historically Providence has usually been a rock fight. As
long as we we win this likely rock fight tomorrow all will be ok. For medical reason I am not allowed alcohol so I will forced to wash down my by standard game food of chicken wings and shrimp on sticks with do not tell anyone with make believe “beer”. I am ashamed. My wife who loved to have shrimp during UCONN BB games passed away so I have shrimp in addition to chicken wings in her honor.
I’m very sorry for your loss - heart goes out to you.
 
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Historically Providence has usually been a rock fight. As
long as we we win this likely rock fight tomorrow all will be ok. For medical reason I am not allowed alcohol so I will forced to wash down my by standard game food of chicken wings and shrimp on sticks with do not tell anyone with make believe “beer”. I am ashamed. My wife who loved to have shrimp during UCONN BB games passed away so I have shrimp in addition to chicken wings in her honor.
Terrific way to honor her memory (and tasty too!).
 
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Still feel like this game could be tricky (glad it’s at home in case we’re flat). After getting sandblasted by Marquette, this could be a “pride” game for PC where they come out and play with March intensity with nothing to lose. If they get a whiff of success and start feeling positive about themselves, they could suddenly be a problem. If we take the life out of them, though, they might just roll over. It‘s like a “don’t let them off the mat” type of game where they are already on the mat before the ball is even tipped.

Somewhere in the game, the crowd will get into it and hopefully spur on a 15-2 type of run that more or less puts it away. The earlier the better.
Right about shutting them down early.
We're their two games of the year plus they'll be spurred on by their intense hatred of the successful big brother next door.
You can never figure how a team can win a game they shouldn't win without considering emotions and Floyd will help pump them up.
 
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Boy. Not much discussion about that up and comer wunderkind Kim English anymore, huh? That was short lived....
My PC neighbor was very excited about him last year and is a very knowledgeable former player (Bulkeley) who played pickup games against John Thompson at PC back in the day.
He's been down on English almost from game one this year though, and can't understand some of the personnel decisions they made if they have all the NIL money they were reputed to have.
He went from we have the lord on our side (Christ Essandoko) to "Christ, what were they thinking?"
 
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Historically Providence has usually been a rock fight. As
long as we we win this likely rock fight tomorrow all will be ok. For medical reason I am not allowed alcohol so I will forced to wash down my by standard game food of chicken wings and shrimp on sticks with do not tell anyone with make believe “beer”. I am ashamed. My wife who loved to have shrimp during UCONN BB games passed away so I have shrimp in addition to chicken wings in her honor.
So sorry to hear about your wife.
My wife, in an effort to control her calories, tried and likes Athletic
IPA so you might want to add that to your menu.
 
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My PC neighbor was very excited about him last year and is a very knowledgeable former player (Bulkeley) who played pickup games against John Thompson at PC back in the day.
He's been down on English almost from game one this year though, and can't understand some of the personnel decisions they made if they have all the NIL money they were reputed to have.
He went from we have the lord on our side (Christ Essandoko) to "Christ, what were they thinking?"
It’s a longstanding PC tradition to overhype their coach going back to Tim Welsh. Their board at the time actually said he’d end up better than Calhoun.
 

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